Operation Barbarossa - Alpha AAR

[elmo3]

ORIGINAL: Smirfy


During these foul weather turns if you are forced to retreat due to combat do you lose more equipment especially heavy stuff to simulate the lack of mobility? What effect have operations had on trucks and the transport pool some far and is the weather increasing those effects?

Elements of Non-Finnish Axis troops suffer more damage during first winter turns as well as more disruption. Not sure if there is any added chance of losing equipment during retreat. There are negative supply effects as well for certain areas of the map during first winter that abstractly reflect truck and transport problems.

[elmo3]

ORIGINAL: ComradeP

...I'm surprised at the Luftwaffe's strength, as it seems to be doing fine despite not having enough anti-freeze or facilities.

I flew no offensive missions on the blizzard turns. Odds were good they would have been aborted anyway.

[Smirfy]

As for the latest turn results: comparing this turn to the last, Italy, Hungary and Romania actually got more men, the Soviets have about 6000 men less, but they lost 559 tanks. The Germans gained guns, but have about 20.500 men less than last turn. I'm surprised at the Luftwaffe's strength, as it seems to be doing fine despite not having enough anti-freeze or facilities.

The Germans have also 1,000 more AFV's than they started the campaign with. The Luftwaffe seem to be down about 500 machines

[CaptBeefheart]

Wow, this is a great AAR. I was wondering if you could show us some reinforcement and replacement screens so we can see how that looks.

Thanks,
CC

[elmo3]

ORIGINAL: Commander Cody

Wow, this is a great AAR. I was wondering if you could show us some reinforcement and replacement screens so we can see how that looks.

Thanks,
CC

Glad you like the AAR. Here is the Logistics screen showing replacements. You don't see exactly what unit gets what, just an overall picture. That Withdrawal line is incomplete so that will get bug reported.



Here is a portion of the Reinforcements and Withdrawals Screen. Don't ask me what the numbers in parenthesis mean, I have no idea.

[freeboy]

in other games if troops have to move and then attack in the same turn they lose some prepardness, modeled and called different things, how does WITE model this or does it? ie does a unit have a differnt combat value if it attacks an adgacent hex prior to any movement?
 
also, is this plot and then resolve all, or is it move attack move attack?
thanks aginfor takignthe time to answer these ?'s

[ComradeP]

Did we miss 3 turns or does the infantry change TOE to 1942 TOE in December 1941?

If I were to guess what the numbers in parenthesis mean: manpower/guns/AFV's.

Any idea why some of the Security divisions upgrade to 1941 TOE at the end of 1941?

[elmo3]

ORIGINAL: freeboy

in other games if troops have to move and then attack in the same turn they lose some prepardness, modeled and called different things, how does WITE model this or does it? ie does a unit have a differnt combat value if it attacks an adgacent hex prior to any movement?

also, is this plot and then resolve all, or is it move attack move attack?
thanks aginfor takignthe time to answer these ?'s

There are two kinds of attacks, hasty and determined. The former uses less MP's but is not as effective as the latter. In some cases if you won't have enough MP's to make a determined attack. Combat values don't change if you attack before movement.

There is no plotting of moves.

[elmo3]

ORIGINAL: ComradeP

Did we miss 3 turns or does the infantry change TOE to 1942 TOE in December 1941?

If I were to guess what the numbers in parenthesis mean: manpower/guns/AFV's.

Any idea why some of the Security divisions upgrade to 1941 TOE at the end of 1941?

Trey or Pavel will have to help you here. I noticed the same thing but don't know how it works.

Edit - Also note that this shot if from the 12/25/41 turn which technically ends at the start of '42 so maybe those TOE upgrades are OK.

[jaw]

ORIGINAL: ComradeP

Did we miss 3 turns or does the infantry change TOE to 1942 TOE in December 1941?

If I were to guess what the numbers in parenthesis mean: manpower/guns/AFV's.

Any idea why some of the Security divisions upgrade to 1941 TOE at the end of 1941?

The TOE labels don't always match the year the TOE changes. If a TOE was changing very late in the year, I would label it for the next year. A good example is the '44 Infantry division TOE which actually comes into effect in late 1943.

You are correct; it is men, guns, AFVs.

I saw this upgrade displayed in a previous post of Elmo's and it has to be a bug. There is only one security division TOE let alone multiple ones for the same year.

[Joel Billings]

There are some known bugs in the upgrade reports on the logistics screen.

As for movement and combat, moving adds fatigue to the unit and can damage elements in the unit. So you are never as fresh as when you have not yet moved.

The numbers in parenthesis are men - guns - AFVs

[ComradeP]

The TOE labels don't always match the year the TOE changes. If a TOE was changing very late in the year, I would label it for the next year. A good example is the '44 Infantry division TOE which actually comes into effect in late 1943.

Doesn't that cause some problems with equipment that doesn't exist/isn't in production at the time of the TOE change, not to mention with equipment that would become obsolete/disappears from the TOE too early? For example: infantry divisions switching from PaK 36/PaK 38 AT battalions to PaK 38/PaK 40 AT battalions?

[freeboy]

follow up ?
So id I understand... yo move and attack.. or attack and move and use mps... then another group then another group? wow... that is interesting.. nothin gstopping you from really rolling ove rthe enemy when you have armor and a large advantage then?

[elmo3]

Thanks to Jim and Joel for sorting out those screens.

[elmo3]

ORIGINAL: freeboy

follow up ?
So id I understand... yo move and attack.. or attack and move and use mps... then another group then another group? wow... that is interesting.. nothin gstopping you from really rolling ove rthe enemy when you have armor and a large advantage then?

You can blow a hole in the line and then pour through if you have the MP's. Very realistic IMHO.

[The SNAFU]

ORIGINAL: elmo3

ORIGINAL: freeboy

follow up ?
So id I understand... yo move and attack.. or attack and move and use mps... then another group then another group? wow... that is interesting.. nothin gstopping you from really rolling ove rthe enemy when you have armor and a large advantage then?

You can blow a hole in the line and then pour through if you have the MP's. Very realistic IMHO.

And seems fairly standard for this type of game [;)]

[elmo3]

OOB and losses for 12/18/41 (turn 27)

[elmo3]

12/18/41 (turn 27)  Things are looking very bad for AGN right now.  The Soviets cut the rail line northeast of Pskov.  Normally we could still get supply via the rail line to Tallinn but partisans damaged a number of sections of that line.  So all of AGN forces north and east of the rail line breaks are cut off from most of their supply.  And turn 28 is blizzard too!  [:(]

[elmo3]

12/18/41 (turn 27)  Only a couple of Soviet attacks northwest of Smolensk by the Soviets against AGC this turn.  The lack of backbone on the part of 9th Army (dark green) is troubling as they can't seem to hold the line in good weather never mind during the blizzard conditions that are returning.  Elsewhere the pocket is unchanged.  Unlikely I'll be making a similar report after turn 28.

[elmo3]

12/18/41 (turn 27)  Only a couple of hexes changed hands for the southern part of AGC and all of AGS.  Forgot to mention that last turn we lost Gomel (at the top of the following screen shot) but we retook it this turn.  At least the 252nd Inf Div and 78th Sturm Div of 4th Army (dark blue) will be able to get some benefit from being indoors for the impending bad weather.  I'm sure they'll fight hard to hold that position!  I would.  [;)]