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I should have quite some time before Jeff can start any strategic bombing though. Bella Bella and Coal Harbor are only level 1 AFs. I don´t think he can realistically start anything in earnest before they are at least level 4-5. He needs room not only for bombers but also CAP and escorts. So I´ll use that time getting as much out of what little I have as I can!

In terms of technical capabilities... I think IJAAF and IJNAF bombers each only need a level 3 AF to fly without penalties to range/load. Without checking the manual for the equation. I just know that B-17s and B-24s need a level 5, and the max load on the IJ 2Es is 4000 less and I remember a 2000 load increment per level of AF... so that works out to level 3 in my head [;)].

There is the stacking issue that you mention, though.
I think maybe the initial supposition that he was going to bomb industry might be wrong - it will take too long for him to develop the airfields.
I now think that the is going for Auto-Vic by scooping up all the high point bases in the Gulf of Alaska. Coal Harbour is just a Nav Search outpost and deception.
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A level bomber requires an airfield of 4 + ( ( max load ) / 6500 )

Sallys, Helens, Nells, and Bettys will require a level 4 to carry a full load.

Light bombers get a discount on that formula. I think a dev stated that long time back. So IJA light bombers get full loads from AF=2 IIRC.

I stand massively corrected. Are we sure they don't also require a level 5 - in other words, that it doesn't round up the max load function? I'm out of town and don't have access to the manual [:)].
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Light level bombers and dive bombers = level 2 airfield
All other Jap level bombers = level 4 airfield

At least the Tracker says so.
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RE: Canada Invaded!

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Thanks for the info on the AF size guys! Theoretically that means he could start flying shortly. Realistically I think he needs at least two air fields around 4-5 before he can begin. He needs not only the bombers but also escort and enough left for a decent CAP.
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I think maybe the initial supposition that he was going to bomb industry might be wrong - it will take too long for him to develop the airfields.
I now think that the is going for Auto-Vic by scooping up all the high point bases in the Gulf of Alaska. Coal Harbour is just a Nav Search outpost and deception.

Not impossible. But its not that many VPs for him. Currently around 1200. Then again if he starts building up places like Juneau (100x multiplier) it will start rolling in VPs. But he needs to build them...which will require a big effort.

PS. Is Juneau a typo in the DB? Should it be a 10x multiplier and not a 100? [X(]
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RE: Canada Invaded!

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[font="Verdana"]March 11th 1942[/font]
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Not much to report.

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NORPAC/WC
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KB and what looks like some BBs are heading due West away from Canada. Allford Bay is lost to the Japanese.

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India
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Chittagong is absolutely hammered by BBs, CAs, LBA and even the MKB pitch in. Results are predictable.
Ground combat at Chittagong (55,41)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 7696 troops, 77 guns, 44 vehicles, Assault Value = 296

Defending force 6692 troops, 45 guns, 44 vehicles, Assault Value = 101

Japanese engineers reduce fortifications to 1

Japanese adjusted assault: 444

Allied adjusted defense: 6

Japanese assault odds: 74 to 1 (fort level 1)

Japanese forces CAPTURE Chittagong !!!

Combat modifiers
Defender: forts(+), op mode(-), disruption(-), preparation(-)
fatigue(-), morale(-), experience(-)

Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
66 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled


Allied ground losses:
5117 casualties reported
Squads: 66 destroyed, 18 disabled
Non Combat: 543 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 37 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 52 (50 destroyed, 2 disabled)
Vehicles lost 40 (40 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Units retreated 1
Units destroyed 1


Defeated Allied Units Retreating!

Assaulting units:
18th/A Division
18th/B Division
18th/C Div /1
3rd Medium Field Artillery Regiment
14th Ind.Art.Mortar Bn /5


Defending units:
75th Indian Brigade
Chittagong Fortress

My sweeps never take off though. So no nibbling of the CAP. Counter invasion forces arrive at Comilla tomorrow.

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China
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Another attack on the Ankang road. [:(]
Ground combat at 83,45 (near Nanyang)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 25548 troops, 236 guns, 212 vehicles, Assault Value = 861

Defending force 32318 troops, 211 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 646

Japanese adjusted assault: 682

Allied adjusted defense: 1384

Japanese assault odds: 1 to 2

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), experience(-), supply(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
750 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 46 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 15 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled
Vehicles lost 34 (27 destroyed, 7 disabled)


Allied ground losses:
1254 casualties reported
Squads: 3 destroyed, 112 disabled [:(]
Non Combat: 24 destroyed, 7 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled


Assaulting units:
15th Tank Regiment
37th Division
9th Ind.Mixed Brigade
9th Armored Car Co
12th Tank Regiment
13th Tank Regiment

60th Infantry Brigade
1st Army
52nd Ind.Mtn.Gun Battalion
14th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
6th Medium Field Artillery Regiment


Defending units:
92nd Chinese Corps
90th Chinese Corps
66th Chinese Corps
7th Artillery Regiment
22nd Group Army
41st AA Regiment

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I think the huge multiplier for Juneau was deliberate to make the Allied player defend the Gulf of Alaska area against a Japanese incursion there. Canoerebel's opponent (Khyber Bill?) almost got auto-victory but Canoerebel placed a strong unit (US Inf Rgt , I think) at Coal Harbour so K-Bs plan to bomb industry for VPs fell apart. And of course, while the big operation was going on in the Gulf of Alaska the allies were preparing a counterpunch elsewhere ...
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Yorktown is glugg glugg while Ent is repairing at CT. Lex/Sara is escorting a convoy returning from OZ. After that I´m a bit unsure where to send them.


Ouch! Is it feseable to send them in India trying to challenge the mini KBs?
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Ouch! Is it feseable to send them in India trying to challenge the mini KBs?

Certainly an option. [:)]

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[font="Verdana"]March 12th 1942[/font]
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Pretty decent turn.

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NORPAC/WC
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US subs attack something like 10 targets during the night. All against the escorts ([8|]) and no hits against fast and nimble DDs.

In the morning though the old Argonaut manage to put a single TT into a Maru. No sinking sounds.
Sub attack near Coal Harbour at 204,50

Japanese Ships
xAK Kosei Maru, Torpedo hits 1
PB Nagato Maru
PB Daiya Maru
PB Bunzan Maru
PB Kozan Maru
xAK Huzikawa Maru
DD Sanae
DD Wakatake
TB Chidori
PB Nishimi Maru


Allied Ships
SS Argonaut

Japanese ground losses:
Guns lost 1 (1 destroyed, 0 disabled)

Jeff might have broken up the KB. Could be crappy NavS though.

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India
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Sweeps finally fly with good result!
Morning Air attack on Chittagong , at 55,41

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid spotted at 32 NM, estimated altitude 25,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 8 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 22

Allied aircraft
H81-A3 x 21

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 5 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
H81-A3: 1 destroyed[
Morning Air attack on Chittagong , at 55,41

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid detected at 20 NM, estimated altitude 22,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 4 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 9

Allied aircraft
Hurricane IIa Trop x 7

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 4 destroyed

Pretty happy as 13 Zeroes are shot down for only a lone H81. Confirmed CVs:
-Ryujo
-Hosho
-Zuiho
-Shoho
-Taiyo

Don´t think I can take those on without Lex/Sara. Having some second thoughts on the counter attack. I think it might be prudent to wait until they left the coast to avoid Naval bombardments?

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DEI
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Basically Japanese mopping up now.

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China
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A small boon as Jeff misses his timing and some engineers and arty crashes into Paoshan before the main army.
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Ground combat at Paoshan (65,45)

Japanese Shock attack

Attacking force 2166 troops, 53 guns, 10 vehicles, Assault Value = 51

Defending force 19058 troops, 97 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 685

Japanese adjusted assault: 0

Allied adjusted defense: 931

Japanese assault odds: 1 to 99 (fort level 2)

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), preparation(-), experience(-)
Attacker: shock(+), fatigue(-), supply(-)

Japanese ground losses:
1136 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 19 disabled
Engineers: 65 destroyed, 3 disabled
Guns lost 3 (1 destroyed, 2 disabled)


Assaulting units:
55th Engineer Regiment
55th Mountain Gun Regiment
21st Medium Field Artillery Battalion


Defending units:
3rd New Chinese Corps
7th New Chinese Corps
5th Chinese Corps

Wonder if it will make him cancel the crossing. Those engineers would have been needed in the shock attack.



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Why do you say he needed the engineers in the shock attack? - Just for their AV? The forts are only at 2 which can usually be handled without engineers, so I wonder if I am missing something? (be nice when you answer that! [:D])
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Why do you say he needed the engineers in the shock attack? - Just for their AV? The forts are only at 2 which can usually be handled without engineers, so I wonder if I am missing something? (be nice when you answer that! [:D])

I would want them if I was to shock attack into x3 terrain and 2 forts. [:)]
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Why do you say he needed the engineers in the shock attack? - Just for their AV? The forts are only at 2 which can usually be handled without engineers, so I wonder if I am missing something? (be nice when you answer that! [:D])

Engineers always seems to take the brunt of the damage in shock attacks. Not sure if they really do but when fighting in Burma in x3 terrain my engineers always took the brunt of the damage leaving most of my infantry pretty much intact. [:)]

I would want them if I was to shock attack into x3 terrain and 2 forts. [:)]
Never thought of it that way! British combat engineers seem precious to me - my impression is that they fill out much more slowly than infantry, indicating a low replacement rate. So for the British, I hold the combat engineers back until there is a bridgehead.

I don't know if the Japanese have any problem replacing engineers. Will be interesting to see whether he calls off the attack.
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American CVs to India - Too late for them to get there and affect anything. Two more invasions possible in near future - Viza/Cocanada or Ceylon. Viza is possible to be part of pincher to isolate Calcutta area off.
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Never thought of it that way! British combat engineers seem precious to me - my impression is that they fill out much more slowly than infantry, indicating a low replacement rate. So for the British, I hold the combat engineers back until there is a bridgehead.

I don't know if the Japanese have any problem replacing engineers. Will be interesting to see whether he calls off the attack.

Combat engineers are used to reduce forts so they are very handy to have in battle. [:)]

I´m pretty sure he will call it off. Especially considering he lost 2 of the arty units. I´ve been wrong before though! [:D]
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American CVs to India - Too late for them to get there and affect anything. Two more invasions possible in near future - Viza/Cocanada or Ceylon. Viza is possible to be part of pincher to isolate Calcutta area off.

Too late to effect anything right now yes. But long term they might prove very useful. I´ll have another 2 weeks to decide. [:)]

Don´t think there will be any followup invasions in India within the near future. He doesn´t have any troops to do it with in the area.

Only IDs he has to "spare" right now are:
33rd - Moving to Canton from PH
5th and 38th that just cleared up Java.

Not enough even by far to really threaten India even if he sends them all. Forts are too high now (4-6 at Calcutta, Karachi, Bombay and Madras). But he needs to grab Darwin and clear up Luzon too...many jobs for not so many IDs!

I´ve been wrong before though. [:)]
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[font="Verdana"]March 13th-15th 1942[/font]
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Sorry for the lack of updates. Have prioritized sending turns to Jeff!

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NORPAC/WC
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The Japanese start sweeping US bases. I´ll let them as I have no intention of trying to battle Japanese sweeps. AA will decide the campaign and not fighters. That being said I´m quite busy here preparing for Operation "Glass cannon". Very fitting name... [:D]

KB shifts around to the south and then back up North helping with the sweeps of Seattle.

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India
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We are both sweeping here and both hitting empty air. No one wants or needs to put a CAP up. This suits me fine though. [:)] The counter attack is slowly gathering. As a boon I just noticed in an attack of Java that a fragment of the 18th are fighting there. Went back and checked the CR for the Chittagong attack. Lo and behold...[:)]
18th/C Div /1

So no combining. [:'(]

MKB disappears somewhere. Hard to tell as my NavS is really crappy in the area. Only 2 CATs flying from Diamond Harbor and 3 on Ceylon.

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China
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Through some miracle with withstand not only 1 but 2 attacks on the Ankang road. Only explanation is that Jeff is resting his tanks.
Ground combat at 83,45 (near Nanyang)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 31183 troops, 315 guns, 213 vehicles, Assault Value = 1085

Defending force 30973 troops, 209 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 671

Japanese adjusted assault: 372

Allied adjusted defense: 985

Japanese assault odds: 1 to 2

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), experience(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
1673 casualties reported
Squads: 3 destroyed, 193 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 14 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 15 disabled
Guns lost 16 (2 destroyed, 14 disabled)
Vehicles lost 42 (1 destroyed, 41 disabled)


Allied ground losses:
671 casualties reported
Squads: 3 destroyed, 101 disabled
Non Combat: 5 destroyed, 8 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Guns lost 15 (1 destroyed, 14 disabled)


Assaulting units:
41st Division
13th Tank Regiment
37th Division
9th Ind.Mixed Brigade
12th Tank Regiment
9th Armored Car Co
60th Infantry Brigade
15th Ind.Medium Field Artillery Regiment
14th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
52nd Ind.Mtn.Gun Battalion
1st Army
6th Medium Field Artillery Regiment


Defending units:
29th Chinese Corps
90th Chinese Corps
66th Chinese Corps
7th Artillery Regiment
22nd Group Army
41st AA Regiment

Obviously I´m just delaying the inevitable here.

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DEI
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Only a lone base remains in the mountains south of Batavia. Still no move on Darwin or Perth.

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Luzon
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Jeff is slowly reinforcing his beachhead. Wonder if he is waiting for the troops on Java to finally move in on Clark and Manila?

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SOPAC
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First signs via SIGINT on a move for Suva. Only a RGT so far...If I´m lucky Jeff might try and grab the SOPAC locations on the cheap. Forts are coming along nicely and he will probably need at least 2 IDs for both Suva and Pago Pago + KB. I´ve topped off with supply, AA, CD guns and mines.



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RE: Canada Invaded!

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[font="Verdana"]Replacement pools[/font]
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Well, I´m running out of things I´ve never been before. Absolutely bone dry right now:
- US Rifle squads
- US 90mm AA guns.
- US 40mm Bofors
- US 155mm CD guns.

This is a bit problematic. Given the situation the AA guns are the real issue. Several of the WC AA units are not even close to full TOE and the ones destroyed at PH can´t fill out. Replacement rates are abysmal.
-20 90mm/MO
-40 Bofors

This is basically a coast AA unit per month...slow. At least the AA units coming as reinforcements seem to have a full TOE. 4 full ones arriving within the next 30 days.

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[font="Verdana"]Replacement pools[/font]
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Well, I´m running out of things I´ve never been before. Absolutely bone dry right now:
- US Rifle squads
- US 90mm AA guns.
- US 40mm Bofors
- US 155mm CD guns.

This is a bit problematic. Given the situation the AA guns are the real issue. Several of the WC AA units are not even close to full TOE and the ones destroyed at PH can´t fill out. Replacement rates are abysmal.
-20 90mm/MO
-40 Bofors

This is basically a coast AA unit per month...slow. At least the AA units coming as reinforcements seem to have a full TOE. 4 full ones arriving within the next 30 days.


I always run out of those things, except the 155mm CD guns.
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Reverse Lend Lease - Buy out the big AA brigade at Colombo and ship it to NW USA. Let him chew on her 72 heavy AA guns. [;)]
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Reverse Lend Lease - Buy out the big AA brigade at Colombo and ship it to NW USA. Let him chew on her 72 heavy AA guns. [;)]

Geniuses think alike...they are already on transports to CT and then to EC. [:)]
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