Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues

[CV60]

<type>Correction</type>
<summary> Correction to TRML-3D (DB3K facility_2734, 980, 1224, 981 </summary>
<detail> Database identifies unit as a building. In fact, it is a vehicle. Correct nomenclature is "TRML-3D", vice "TRM-L 3D" in database. According to manufacturer, mast height is 12 meters, vice 30 meters in database. NOTE: Facility_2734 is modeling the "SMART-L EWC [BMD Mod]" which is a different system than the TRML-3D, so it should be renamed.
<evidence> "Ancile." Ancile. Accessed September 17, 2021. https://www.deagel.com/Tactical%20Vehic ... 3D/a000467. ; "TRML-3D - Radartutorial." Grundlagen Der Radartechnik. Accessed September 17, 2021. https://www.radartutorial.eu/19.kartei/ ... 08.en.html. ;"TRML-3D/32 - Mobile Air Surveillance and Defence Radar | HENSOLDT." Sensor Solutions | HENSOLDT. Accessed September 17, 2021. https://www.hensoldt.net/products/radar ... rml-3d/32/.

[tylerblakebrandon]

<type>Correction/Update</type>
<summary> DB#2051 MH-68A Enforcer </summary>
<detail> Please add weapon Weapon #3736 12.7mm Anti-material rifle as USCG HITRON helicopters carry these for disabling shots. <detail>
<evidence>
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helicopte ... on#Weapons
https://special-ops.org/us-coast-guard-hitron/
<evidence>

[tylerblakebrandon]

<type>New</type>
<summary> Add USCG MH-90 Enforcer </summary>
<detail> Leased MD 900 and MD 902 helicopters designated MH-90 Enforcer, used 1998-2000 replaced my the MH-68A. 1 7.62mm LMG and 1 12.7mm anti-material rifle <detail>
<evidence>
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helicopte ... l_Squadron
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MD_Helico ... r#Variants
https://www.helis.com/database/sqd/HITRON/
<evidence>

[tylerblakebrandon]

<type>New</type>
<summary> Add USCG MH-65C Dolphin </summary>
<detail> HH-65 upgrades replaced the MH-68A in HITRON use from 2008 with MH-67C. 1 7.62mm LMG and 1 12.7mm anti-material rifle <detail>
<evidence>
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eurocopter_MH-65_Dolphin
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helicopte ... l_Squadron
https://www.helis.com/database/sqd/HITRON/
https://www.dcms.uscg.mil/Our-Organizat ... SRR-MH-65/
<evidence>

[tylerblakebrandon]

<type>New</type>
<summary> Add USCG HH-65B/C and MH-65D/E Dolphin </summary>
<detail> HH-65 upgrades in HITRON use from 2001 for HH-65B, 2004 for HH-65C, 2011 for MH-65D, and 2017 for MH-65E. Upgraded lift/cargo capabilities and sensors <detail>
<evidence>
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eurocopter_MH-65_Dolphin
https://www.dcms.uscg.mil/Our-Organizat ... SRR-MH-65/
https://www.naval-technology.com/projects/hh65-dolphin/
https://www.airbus.com/us/en/helicopter ... /mh65.html
https://www.helis.com/database/news/mh-65e_rss/
https://www.militaryaerospace.com/compu ... elicopters
https://www.flightglobal.com/helicopter ... 29.article
https://www.nhahistoricalsociety.org/co ... elicopter/
https://verticalmag.com/news/u-s-coast- ... e-upgrade/
<evidence>

[tylerblakebrandon]

<type>New</type>
<summary> Add USCG MH-60T Jayhawk</summary>
<detail> Medium range recovery helicopter. 39 surviving HH-60J airframes received upgraded avionics and operational capabilities, including armaments, from 2007 to 2014. Three SH-60Fs were converted to MH-60T specifications as attrition replacements. <detail>
<evidence>
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sikorsky_MH-60_Jayhawk
https://www.dcms.uscg.mil/Our-Organizat ... RR-MH-60T/
https://www.military.com/equipment/mh-60-jayhawk
https://www.homelandsecurity-technology ... elicopter/
https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/20 ... -sikorsky/
<evidence>

[CV60]

<type>Correction</type>
<summary> HIGH LARK 1 and 2 radar used in the Mig-23 is NATO "J" band, vice "I" band</summary>
<detail> The HIGH LARK 2 radar is listed as being in the "I" band. In fact it is a 10-15 GHz radar, operating in the lower "J" band. See below <detail>
<evidence>Advanced Tactical Fighter to F-22 Raptor_ Origins of the 21st Century Air, pg. 268 - David C. Aronstein; https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/3 ... must-watch;

[PN79]

ORIGINAL: CV60

<type>Correction</type>
<summary> HIGH LARK 1 and 2 radar used in the Mig-23 is NATO "J" band, vice "I" band</summary>
<detail> The HIGH LARK 2 radar is listed as being in the "I" band. In fact it is a 10-15 GHz radar, operating in the lower "J" band. See below <detail>
<evidence>Advanced Tactical Fighter to F-22 Raptor_ Origins of the 21st Century Air, pg. 268 - David C. Aronstein; https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/3 ... must-watch;
...

I am not an expert in this but search for this also shows references of 9 GHz for High Lark 2:

https://books.google.cz/books?id=ff-zDg ... 22&f=false

I don't know which information is correct.

[CV60]

ORIGINAL: PN79

ORIGINAL: CV60

<type>Correction</type>
<summary> HIGH LARK 1 and 2 radar used in the Mig-23 is NATO "J" band, vice "I" band</summary>
<detail> The HIGH LARK 2 radar is listed as being in the "I" band. In fact it is a 10-15 GHz radar, operating in the lower "J" band. See below <detail>
<evidence>Advanced Tactical Fighter to F-22 Raptor_ Origins of the 21st Century Air, pg. 268 - David C. Aronstein; https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/3 ... must-watch;
...

I am not an expert in this but search for this also shows references of 9 GHz for High Lark 2:

https://books.google.cz/books?id=ff-zDg ... 22&f=false

I don't know which information is correct.

Thank you for looking at this. You have identified one of the problems I frequently run into when checking some of the databases. Frequently, there are inconsistencies in the data. I have Mladenov's book and as I write description files, I am using it as a reference for checking some of the data in the database, including the question on the High Lark radar. You are correct that he identifies High Lark 2's carrier frequency as being "I" band. However, I'm guessing that he is wrong on this, for the following reasons:
1) One of the sources I provided is quoting a US pilot who flies a Mig-23 in Florida. The article states "The MiG-23ML that we see in Florida still has its J-band radar installed. Known to NATO as High Lark 2, this operates across 10,000 to 20,000 megahertz and has a range of 53 miles, Ward says. " Because this is a first-hand source, I give it more credibility.
2) In an article on the R-23R Apex A missile SARH that is used by the Flogger G, the RGS-23 sensor is describes as operating in the J-band see "https://www.aereimilitari.org/Armamenti/R-23-Apex.htm" This is consistent with the High Lark 2 operating in the J-band. Of note, Jane's Air-Launched Weapons, "AA-7 'Apex' (R-23, R-24)" 09 November 2001 also confirms that the R-24R is a J-band missile, indicating that "High Lark 2" is a J-band radar.
3) the authors of the book that has the chart I used are aerospace engineers who worked on the F-22 project, and the book itself is a technical, vice a popular book on the subject, so presumably they had better info than Mladenov. Their CV from Amazon is as follows: Dr. David C. Aronstein is a principal aerospace engineer at ANSER in Arlington, Virginia, where he provides senior technical support to such programs as the Joint Strike Fighter and F-22 air superiority fighter. Mr. Albert C. Piccirillo is a principal aerospace engineer and a manager of the Joint Technology Division at ANSER, where he leads technical and analytical efforts on advanced weapons systems, including the Joint Strike Fighter. Michael J. Hirschberg is an aerospace engineer at ANSER, Inc. He currently supports the Propulsion Management Team for the Joint Strike Fighter Program.

Mladenov is good. As I said earlier, I use him as a source for some of the description files. But in this case I think the evidence indicates that he is incorrect on this point

[MarkJoergensen]

<type>Correction/Update</type>
<summary> DB#2331 F 361 Iver Huitfeldt </summary>
<detail> Standard loadout of the Iver Huidtfeldt class in Denmark is 4xMk141 instead of 2, for a total of 16 Harpoon missiles</detail>
<evidence> Danish wiki-page. SME's at the Danish Defence College. (Cant post links yet) <evidence>
<note> The ship, as well as the Absalon-class, are equipped using the modular Stanflex system. Standard harpoon loadout is 2 harpoon systems of 8 launchers each. They may be equipped with fewer, or with more, should mission circumstances dictate it. Also, the MDV in command seems very low for the Iver, particularly in light of the SM2 missiles. Typo? <note>

[PN79]

ORIGINAL: CV60

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Thank you for looking at this. You have identified one of the problems I frequently run into when checking some of the databases. Frequently, there are inconsistencies in the data. I have Mladenov's book and as I write description files, I am using it as a reference for checking some of the data in the database, including the question on the High Lark radar. You are correct that he identifies High Lark 2's carrier frequency as being "I" band. However, I'm guessing that he is wrong on this, for the following reasons:
1) One of the sources I provided is quoting a US pilot who flies a Mig-23 in Florida. The article states "The MiG-23ML that we see in Florida still has its J-band radar installed. Known to NATO as High Lark 2, this operates across 10,000 to 20,000 megahertz and has a range of 53 miles, Ward says. " Because this is a first-hand source, I give it more credibility.
2) In an article on the R-23R Apex A missile SARH that is used by the Flogger G, the RGS-23 sensor is describes as operating in the J-band see "https://www.aereimilitari.org/Armamenti/R-23-Apex.htm" This is consistent with the High Lark 2 operating in the J-band. Of note, Jane's Air-Launched Weapons, "AA-7 'Apex' (R-23, R-24)" 09 November 2001 also confirms that the R-24R is a J-band missile, indicating that "High Lark 2" is a J-band radar.
3) the authors of the book that has the chart I used are aerospace engineers who worked on the F-22 project, and the book itself is a technical, vice a popular book on the subject, so presumably they had better info than Mladenov. Their CV from Amazon is as follows: Dr. David C. Aronstein is a principal aerospace engineer at ANSER in Arlington, Virginia, where he provides senior technical support to such programs as the Joint Strike Fighter and F-22 air superiority fighter. Mr. Albert C. Piccirillo is a principal aerospace engineer and a manager of the Joint Technology Division at ANSER, where he leads technical and analytical efforts on advanced weapons systems, including the Joint Strike Fighter. Michael J. Hirschberg is an aerospace engineer at ANSER, Inc. He currently supports the Propulsion Management Team for the Joint Strike Fighter Program.

Mladenov is good. As I said earlier, I use him as a source for some of the description files. But in this case I think the evidence indicates that he is incorrect on this point

You are probably right. But apart of confirmation of X band in current terminology I was not able to find clear confirmation.

[CV60]

<type>Correction</type>
<summary> DB3K Facility_2538 YLC-8B radar </summary>
<detail> Database shows this to be a 2D radar. PRC claims it has 3D capability. Additionally, it operates in the B/C (NATO) band (UHF), vice the "A" (HF/VHF) band. </detail>
<evidence> "Ancile." Ancile. Accessed September 21, 2021. https://www.deagel.com/Sensor%20Systems/YLC-8B/a003069. ;"A Closer Look At Stealth, Part 4: Counterstealth Radars At Zhuhai 2016." Aviation Week Network - Portal Aviation Week Network. Accessed September 21, 2021. https://m.aviationweek.com/defense-spac ... huhai-2016. ; Pike, John. "Chinese Military Radar." GlobalSecurity.org. Last modified January 5, 2021. https://www.globalsecurity.org/military ... -intro.htm. ;"YLC-8B - Radartutorial." Grundlagen Der Radartechnik. Accessed September 21, 2021. https://www.radartutorial.eu/19.kartei/ ... 65.en.html. ; "Military Balance India Vs China, Air Defense Systems Part 2- Chinese Radars." Full Afterburner. Accessed September 21, 2021. https://fullafterburner.weebly.com/next ... .<evidence>
<note> YLC-8B is a long-range, 3D, road mobile, active phased array, early warning radar optimized for stealth targets and capable of tracking aircraft and ballistic missiles. It operates in the B or C (NATO) UHF (IEEE) Band. <note>

[FifthDomain]

Could I request the following:

RSS Sir David Attenborough

HMS ECHO

https://www.bas.ac.uk/polar-operations/ ... enborough/

https://military.wikia.org/wiki/HMS_Echo_(H87)

https://www.globalsecurity.org/military ... s-echo.htm

Thank you

[CV60]

<type>Correction</type>
<summary> Correction to range on GM 406 radars DB3K Facility_2180, 2179, 2183 </summary>
<detail> Database shows the GM 406 radar to have same 275 nm range as GM 403 radars. In fact, while identical to the GM 403, the GM 406 has a more powerful transmitter that is advertised as increasing the range of the system by 20% </detail>
<evidence>"GM 403 - Radartutorial." Grundlagen Der Radartechnik. Accessed September 21, 2021. https://www.radartutorial.eu/19.kartei/ ... 16.en.html. <evidence>

[KLAB]

<type>ERROR</type>
<summary>#3025 - AN/AVQ-27 Kit [EO + LRMTS, 12k ft] has no ability to illuminate targets</summary>
<detail>#3025 - AN/AVQ-27 Kit [EO + LRMTS, 12k ft] has not ability to illuminate targets but is stated to be a LRMTS. In Saudi F5E/F5F load outs this means the buddy lasing doesn't work.
When I added a Wing Loon to designate the targets everything was fine, weather height etc are all within parameters. </detail>
<evidence>From DB489 ENTRY - appears F-5F with AVQ-27 cannot buddy lase for the GBU-12 carried by F-5E regardless of circumstances
1x AN/AVQ-27 [Laser Designator] 10 nm Laser Target Designator & Ranger (LTD/R) Surface Search, Ground Search (Fixed), Ground Search (Mobile), Range Information 360.
Evidence is that if you try to do it it wont work.
</evidence>
Thanks
K

[TempestII]

<type>Correction/Update</type>
<summary> #1755 - AIM-132A ASRAAM Range is too short </summary>
<detail> The AIM-132A ASRAAM is designed to have a longer range than peer IRMs due to its larger motor and lack of forward fins. In the current DB, it has an identical range to the smaller AIM-2000 IRIS-T (15nm). It should have a max range of 50KM.
</detail>
<evidence>
https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/mbda-de ... tegration/
http://www.military-today.com/missiles/asraam.htm
</evidence>

[Parel803]

<type>ADD</type>
<summary>DB3K489, Kaan-20 (MRTP-20 (MultiRole Tactical Platform)),..., 61, Patrol Vessel/Fast Intervention Craft (PP/PBF), Egyptian Navy</summary>
<detail>First unit 2012 in service, 6 units, build by Yunca Turkey</detail>
Manufacturer:
Length 22.55 m, Beam 4.76 m, Draft still 1.35, Draft at speed 0.95 m
Structure Advanced composite (DNV GL HSLC)
Max Speed 61+, 2 x 800 kW - 2 x 1800 kW diesels, Arneson surface drives + surface piercing propellors or waterjets
Range 350+ nm, Boat crew 5, mission crew 6, fuel 4600 ltrs
WFT2020/2022 (Weyers Flotten Taschenbuch):
Displacement: 138, Length 22.5, Beam 4.8, Draft 1.3, Crew 5
1 MG, 1 navigation radar, Speed 45, Machinery 2 MTU-DM, Range 350
JFS 13/14:
Displacement 38 t, Length 22.55 m, Beam 4.76 m, Draft 1.3 m,
Max Speed: 60 kts, Range 350 nm at 35 kts,
Complement 5, 2 MTU 12V 2000 M92 diesels; 3600 hp(m) (4.8 MW), 2 Arneson ASD 12 B1L surface drives
1 General Dynamics GAU-19 3-barrelled 12.7 mm gatling gun
Enlarged MRTP-15, Advanced composites contrustion and deep-V hull
Other:
Image shows radome I-band nav radar
<evidence>
https://www.yonca-onuk.com/mrtp20.html
https://www.yonca-onuk.com/upload/MTRP- ... a-onuk.pdf
http://www.navyrecognition.com/index.ph ... cle&id=386
https://twitter.com/egyptdefreview/stat ... 9702405120
https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/first-mr ... vy.146983/
https://www.globalsecurity.org/military ... g-mtrp.htm
http://www.onuk.com/sea/vessel/onuk-mrt ... /#tab-id-2
http://www.onuk.com/sea/vessel/onuk-mrt ... /#tab-id-3
</evidence>
with regards Gert-Jan

[Parel803]

<type>ADD</type>
<summary>DB3K489, Shahab Misr (Pohang flight III) class, F 1000, Corvette (FFL), Egyptian Navy</summary>
<detail>1 unit in class, transferred from South Korea in 2017 by Hundai Ulsan, ex-Jin Ju, South Korean build
WFT2020/2022:
Displacement 1180, Length 88.3, Beam 10, Draft 5.5, crew 95,
Max speed 32, Machinery LM 2500 GTu +SEMT-P-DM, Range 4000 at 15
Old-Navypedia (internet):
Displacement standard 950, Displ full 1220, 2 shafts, Power hp 27200/6260
2 x 1 - 76/62 OTO-Melara Compact, 2 x 2 - 40/70 Breda-Bofors Compact Twin 40, 2 x 3 - 324 Mk 32 TT, 2 DCR(12)
SPS-64(v), WM-28 radars, Radamec e/o director, PHS-32 sonar, ULQ-12K ECM suite, 4x Protean decoy RL, 2x TACM torpedo decoy launchers, WSA-423 CCS
From image approx 22,5 m height
Follow up on 180922 by BDukes
DB Korean Po Hang Flight III: #1330 & #142
</detail>
<evidence>
https://www.egyptindependent.com/egypts ... abab-misr/ transferred
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File ... rvette.jpg image
http://kappa352.egloos.com/1268312 images
http://old-navypedia.org/ships/egypt/eg ... b_misr.htm data, upd 2019
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pohang-class_corvette data, Kor
https://www.seaforces.org/marint/Republ ... -class.htm data, Kor
</evidence>
with regards Gert-Jan

[CV60]

<type>Correction</type>
<summary> Minor correction to DB3K Weapon_151 Apex C (RT-24R). Database lists length of missile as 4.8 meters. Actual length is 4.5 meters
</detail>
<evidence>
https://en.missilery.info/missile/r24
Jane's Air-Launched Weapons, "AA-7 'Apex' (R-23, R-24)" 09 November 2001;

</evidence>

[anlgzl]

hi,

is it possible update/add these platforms to DB3K

*China's J-16D Electronic Attack/Electronic Warfare aircraft
https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/4 ... first-time

**Canada’s CF-18A/B+ Hornet fighter jets
https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/4 ... ced-radars
https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/3 ... s-and-more

thanks in advance