Moved to another Patch 06 - Public Beta - Build 1108p3 updated 10 July

[Rainer79]

Thanks Michael!

[Keifer]

I'm getting ready to start a new game v. the AI.

Is this beta stable enough for that?

[treespider]

ORIGINAL: Keifer

I'm getting ready to start a new game v. the AI.

Is this beta stable enough for that?

Probably...but caveat emptor

[Rainer79]

I've found 2 minor issues with the m5 beta - see screenshot.

The first one is fairly obvious. The number found in the parenthesis of the supply section is wrong (and different from the total on the other screens). Though I would really wish to have that many supplies available.

The second one is about the circled number in the midget sub line. If I deselect "show all ships" and select it again, the number will reliably increase by 4.

[BigDuke66]

That the refuel setting in the TF screen also used at the home port to set how much is fueled when using the manual option is new to me, did that come with on of the latest version?
But the setting normally just sets how much is refueled at the destination hex aka none-home or waypoint port, correct? Or does it now also work differently?

[michaelm75au]

The second one is about the circled number in the midget sub line. If I deselect "show all ships" and select it again, the number will reliably increase by 4.

Totals not being cleared on refresh of list. Only affects screen count, not actuals. Also Affects all four of the bottom section counts.
[edit]
Actually the counts should not change regardless.

[michaelm75au]

ORIGINAL: BigDuke66

That the refuel setting in the TF screen also used at the home port to set how much is fueled when using the manual option is new to me, did that come with on of the latest version?
But the setting normally just sets how much is refueled at the destination hex aka none-home or waypoint port, correct? Or does it now also work differently?

Not sure what you are referring to?

[michaelm75au]

The first one is fairly obvious. The number found in the parenthesis of the supply section is wrong (and different from the total on the other screens). Though I would really wish to have that many supplies available.

Simple problem. Second total is including ALL bases rather than those owned by player.

[michaelm75au]

Fixed Overflow bug causes large LCU to be killed off [MEM]
Fixed Display issue with ship reinforce screen [MEM]

Updated

[ny59giants]

I'm playing with m4 in a mod and I have both "Get New Pilot" and "Request Veteran" greyed out for all Allied air units. Is there a simple fix to this that I'm overlooking??

[michaelm75au]

You sure the groups aren't already at their limits.
Post a save if still in doubt.

[ny59giants]

PM just sent

[Rainer79]

ORIGINAL: michaelm
Totals not being cleared on refresh of list. Only affects screen count, not actuals. Also Affects all four of the bottom section counts.
[edit]
Actually the counts should not change regardless.

Here is a japanese mid-turn save where you can try it out yourself (renamed to .zip).

[Rainer79]

While we are at it, here is a replay that shows the allied carrier fighters perform ~20 sweeps in the same phase. The allied carrier fleet is strong, but (hopefully) not THAT strong. Chris has confirmed that it is always the same fighters showing up.

[michaelm75au]

Tweaked Pilot overflow to clear more pilots. Corrected some discrepancies in pilot numbers [MEM]

Clarification:
Once the free pilot threshold gets too low, the game will now lower the excess pilot threshold from 1/3rd to +20% and then to +10%.

This is required to keep things moving.
I know some people will complain about this but it is either this or break current games and the tools associated with it.
Maybe at some future time, the change can be co-ordinated.

[michaelm75au]

ORIGINAL: Rainer79

While we are at it, here is a replay that shows the allied carrier fighters perform ~20 sweeps in the same phase. The allied carrier fleet is strong, but (hopefully) not THAT strong. Chris has confirmed that it is always the same fighters showing up.

Where abouts are the sweeps happening?

[castor troy]

ORIGINAL: Rainer79

While we are at it, here is a replay that shows the allied carrier fighters perform ~20 sweeps in the same phase. The allied carrier fleet is strong, but (hopefully) not THAT strong. Chris has confirmed that it is always the same fighters showing up.

saying it would always be the same fighters was just propaganda, of course I am able to send 1000 fighters on sweep and have another 3000 on Cap... [:D]

seriously, these (if not all of them then at least most) must be always the same. Must be the same flaw we´ve seen lots of times in the game already when 100 P-38 were showing up on sweep/escort numerous times in the same turn when I actually only had 100 at the base they were coming from.

[castor troy]

ORIGINAL: michaelm

ORIGINAL: Rainer79

While we are at it, here is a replay that shows the allied carrier fighters perform ~20 sweeps in the same phase. The allied carrier fleet is strong, but (hopefully) not THAT strong. Chris has confirmed that it is always the same fighters showing up.

Where abouts are the sweeps happening?

from my carrier fleet sitting West of Okinawa, attacking the base NE of Naha, whatever the name of the base is.

edit: it´s Nago, here´s the cr about it. Always the same squadrons and not only a display flaw as these repeating sweeps do engage aircraft if they meet them. This is happening with the m5 beta but was also happening numerous times with the latest official patch. Not LRCAP or leaking Cap as the target has been four hexes away IIRC.




Morning Air attack on Nago , at 95,65

Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid detected at 209 NM, estimated altitude 28,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 79 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 3



Allied aircraft
Corsair II x 30
Corsair IV x 5
Hellcat I x 20
Seafire L.III x 18
F4U-1A Corsair x 131
F4U-1D Corsair x 50
F6F-3 Hellcat x 144
F6F-5 Hellcat x 186


Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-43-IV Oscar: 1 destroyed

No Allied losses



Aircraft Attacking:
25 x F4U-1A Corsair sweeping at 25000 feet
25 x F4U-1D Corsair sweeping at 25000 feet
25 x F4U-1A Corsair sweeping at 25000 feet
25 x F4U-1D Corsair sweeping at 25000 feet
13 x F6F-5 Hellcat sweeping at 25000 feet
2 x F6F-5 Hellcat sweeping at 31000 feet
4 x F6F-3 Hellcat sweeping at 20000 feet
4 x F4U-1A Corsair sweeping at 30000 feet
4 x Corsair II sweeping at 31000 feet
4 x F6F-5 Hellcat sweeping at 15000 feet

CAP engaged:
71st I.F.Chutai with Ki-43-IV Oscar (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(3 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 3 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 6000
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 90 minutes



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Morning Air attack on Nago , at 95,65

Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid detected at 186 NM, estimated altitude 21,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 64 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 3



Allied aircraft
Corsair II x 30
Corsair IV x 5
Hellcat I x 20
Seafire L.III x 18
F4U-1A Corsair x 81
F6F-3 Hellcat x 144
F6F-5 Hellcat x 180


Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-43-IV Oscar: 1 destroyed

No Allied losses



Aircraft Attacking:
8 x F6F-5 Hellcat sweeping at 20000 feet
2 x F6F-5 Hellcat sweeping at 31000 feet
4 x F6F-3 Hellcat sweeping at 20000 feet
3 x F6F-3 Hellcat sweeping at 20000 feet
4 x F4U-1A Corsair sweeping at 31000 feet
8 x F4U-1A Corsair sweeping at 30000 feet
4 x Corsair II sweeping at 31000 feet
3 x Seafire L.III sweeping at 20000 feet *
4 x F6F-3 Hellcat sweeping at 20000 feet
4 x F6F-5 Hellcat sweeping at 15000 feet

CAP engaged:
71st I.F.Chutai with Ki-43-IV Oscar (1 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(3 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
1 plane(s) intercepting now.
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 2 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 6000
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 76 minutes



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Morning Air attack on Nago , at 95,65

Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid detected at 99 NM, estimated altitude 22,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 33 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 1



Allied aircraft
Corsair II x 30
Corsair IV x 5
Hellcat I x 20
Seafire L.III x 17
F4U-1A Corsair x 81
F6F-3 Hellcat x 144
F6F-5 Hellcat x 180


No Japanese losses

No Allied losses



Aircraft Attacking:
8 x F6F-5 Hellcat sweeping at 20000 feet
2 x F6F-5 Hellcat sweeping at 31000 feet
4 x F6F-3 Hellcat sweeping at 20000 feet
3 x F6F-3 Hellcat sweeping at 20000 feet
4 x F4U-1A Corsair sweeping at 31000 feet
8 x F4U-1A Corsair sweeping at 30000 feet
4 x Corsair II sweeping at 31000 feet
3 x Seafire L.III sweeping at 20000 feet *
4 x F6F-3 Hellcat sweeping at 20000 feet
4 x F6F-3 Hellcat sweeping at 20000 feet
4 x F6F-5 Hellcat sweeping at 15000 feet

CAP engaged:
71st I.F.Chutai with Ki-43-IV Oscar (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
1 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 6000 , scrambling fighters to 5000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 17 minutes



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Morning Air attack on Nago , at 95,65

Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid detected at 97 NM, estimated altitude 21,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 33 minutes


Allied aircraft
Corsair II x 30
Corsair IV x 5
Hellcat I x 20
Seafire L.III x 17
F4U-1A Corsair x 81
F6F-3 Hellcat x 144
F6F-5 Hellcat x 180


No Allied losses



Aircraft Attacking:
8 x F6F-5 Hellcat sweeping at 20000 feet
2 x F6F-5 Hellcat sweeping at 31000 feet
4 x F6F-3 Hellcat sweeping at 20000 feet
3 x F6F-3 Hellcat sweeping at 20000 feet
4 x F4U-1A Corsair sweeping at 31000 feet
8 x F4U-1A Corsair sweeping at 30000 feet
4 x Corsair II sweeping at 31000 feet
3 x Seafire L.III sweeping at 20000 feet *
4 x F6F-3 Hellcat sweeping at 20000 feet
4 x F6F-3 Hellcat sweeping at 20000 feet
4 x F6F-5 Hellcat sweeping at 15000 feet



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Morning Air attack on Nago , at 95,65

Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid detected at 160 NM, estimated altitude 25,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 55 minutes


Allied aircraft
Corsair II x 30
Corsair IV x 5
Hellcat I x 20
Seafire L.III x 17
F4U-1A Corsair x 81
F6F-3 Hellcat x 144
F6F-5 Hellcat x 180


No Allied losses



Aircraft Attacking:
8 x F6F-5 Hellcat sweeping at 20000 feet
2 x F6F-5 Hellcat sweeping at 31000 feet
4 x F6F-3 Hellcat sweeping at 20000 feet
3 x F6F-3 Hellcat sweeping at 20000 feet
4 x F4U-1A Corsair sweeping at 31000 feet
8 x F4U-1A Corsair sweeping at 30000 feet
4 x Corsair II sweeping at 31000 feet
3 x Seafire L.III sweeping at 20000 feet *
4 x F6F-3 Hellcat sweeping at 20000 feet
4 x F6F-3 Hellcat sweeping at 20000 feet
4 x F6F-5 Hellcat sweeping at 15000 feet



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Morning Air attack on Nago , at 95,65

Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid detected at 127 NM, estimated altitude 22,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 43 minutes


Allied aircraft
Corsair II x 30
Corsair IV x 5
Hellcat I x 20
Seafire L.III x 17
F4U-1A Corsair x 81
F6F-3 Hellcat x 144
F6F-5 Hellcat x 180


No Allied losses



Aircraft Attacking:
8 x F6F-5 Hellcat sweeping at 20000 feet
2 x F6F-5 Hellcat sweeping at 31000 feet
4 x F6F-3 Hellcat sweeping at 20000 feet
3 x F6F-3 Hellcat sweeping at 20000 feet
4 x F4U-1A Corsair sweeping at 31000 feet
8 x F4U-1A Corsair sweeping at 30000 feet
4 x Corsair II sweeping at 31000 feet
3 x Seafire L.III sweeping at 20000 feet *
4 x F6F-3 Hellcat sweeping at 20000 feet
4 x F6F-3 Hellcat sweeping at 20000 feet
4 x F6F-5 Hellcat sweeping at 15000 feet



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Morning Air attack on Nago , at 95,65

Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid detected at 128 NM, estimated altitude 21,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 44 minutes


Allied aircraft
Corsair II x 30
Corsair IV x 5
Hellcat I x 20
Seafire L.III x 17
F4U-1A Corsair x 81
F6F-3 Hellcat x 144
F6F-5 Hellcat x 180


No Allied losses



Aircraft Attacking:
8 x F6F-5 Hellcat sweeping at 20000 feet
2 x F6F-5 Hellcat sweeping at 31000 feet
4 x F6F-3 Hellcat sweeping at 20000 feet
3 x F6F-3 Hellcat sweeping at 20000 feet
4 x F4U-1A Corsair sweeping at 31000 feet
8 x F4U-1A Corsair sweeping at 30000 feet
4 x Corsair II sweeping at 31000 feet
3 x Seafire L.III sweeping at 20000 feet *
4 x F6F-3 Hellcat sweeping at 20000 feet
4 x F6F-3 Hellcat sweeping at 20000 feet
4 x F6F-5 Hellcat sweeping at 15000 feet



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Morning Air attack on Nago , at 95,65

Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid detected at 149 NM, estimated altitude 25,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 51 minutes


Allied aircraft
Corsair II x 30
Corsair IV x 5
Hellcat I x 20
Seafire L.III x 17
F4U-1A Corsair x 81
F6F-3 Hellcat x 144
F6F-5 Hellcat x 180


No Allied losses



Aircraft Attacking:
8 x F6F-5 Hellcat sweeping at 20000 feet
2 x F6F-5 Hellcat sweeping at 31000 feet
4 x F6F-3 Hellcat sweeping at 20000 feet
3 x F6F-3 Hellcat sweeping at 20000 feet
4 x F4U-1A Corsair sweeping at 31000 feet
8 x F4U-1A Corsair sweeping at 30000 feet
4 x Corsair II sweeping at 31000 feet
3 x Seafire L.III sweeping at 20000 feet *
4 x F6F-3 Hellcat sweeping at 20000 feet
4 x F6F-3 Hellcat sweeping at 20000 feet
4 x F6F-5 Hellcat sweeping at 15000 feet



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Morning Air attack on Nago , at 95,65

Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid detected at 156 NM, estimated altitude 24,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 53 minutes


Allied aircraft
Corsair II x 30
Corsair IV x 5
Hellcat I x 20
Seafire L.III x 17
F4U-1A Corsair x 81
F6F-3 Hellcat x 144
F6F-5 Hellcat x 180


No Allied losses



Aircraft Attacking:
8 x F6F-5 Hellcat sweeping at 20000 feet
2 x F6F-5 Hellcat sweeping at 31000 feet
4 x F6F-3 Hellcat sweeping at 20000 feet
3 x F6F-3 Hellcat sweeping at 20000 feet
4 x F4U-1A Corsair sweeping at 31000 feet
8 x F4U-1A Corsair sweeping at 30000 feet
4 x Corsair II sweeping at 31000 feet
3 x Seafire L.III sweeping at 20000 feet *
4 x F6F-3 Hellcat sweeping at 20000 feet
4 x F6F-3 Hellcat sweeping at 20000 feet
4 x F6F-5 Hellcat sweeping at 15000 feet



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Morning Air attack on Nago , at 95,65

Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid detected at 8 NM, estimated altitude 23,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 2 minutes


Allied aircraft
Corsair II x 30
Corsair IV x 5
Hellcat I x 20
Seafire L.III x 17
F4U-1A Corsair x 81
F6F-3 Hellcat x 144
F6F-5 Hellcat x 183


No Allied losses



Aircraft Attacking:
11 x F6F-5 Hellcat sweeping at 20000 feet
2 x F6F-5 Hellcat sweeping at 31000 feet
4 x F6F-3 Hellcat sweeping at 20000 feet
3 x F6F-3 Hellcat sweeping at 20000 feet
4 x F4U-1A Corsair sweeping at 31000 feet
8 x F4U-1A Corsair sweeping at 30000 feet
4 x Corsair II sweeping at 31000 feet
3 x Seafire L.III sweeping at 20000 feet *
4 x F6F-3 Hellcat sweeping at 20000 feet
4 x F6F-3 Hellcat sweeping at 20000 feet
4 x F6F-5 Hellcat sweeping at 15000 feet



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Morning Air attack on Nago , at 95,65

Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid detected at 126 NM, estimated altitude 23,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 53 minutes


Allied aircraft
Corsair II x 30
Corsair IV x 5
Hellcat I x 20
Seafire L.III x 17
F4U-1A Corsair x 81
F6F-3 Hellcat x 155
F6F-5 Hellcat x 172


No Allied losses



Aircraft Attacking:
11 x F6F-3 Hellcat sweeping at 20000 feet
2 x F6F-5 Hellcat sweeping at 31000 feet
4 x F6F-3 Hellcat sweeping at 20000 feet
3 x F6F-3 Hellcat sweeping at 20000 feet
4 x F4U-1A Corsair sweeping at 31000 feet
8 x F4U-1A Corsair sweeping at 30000 feet
4 x Corsair II sweeping at 31000 feet
3 x Seafire L.III sweeping at 20000 feet *
4 x F6F-3 Hellcat sweeping at 20000 feet
4 x F6F-3 Hellcat sweeping at 20000 feet
4 x F6F-5 Hellcat sweeping at 15000 feet



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[asdicus]

michaelm several of us have reported problems running 1108m5 beta with tracker. Can I ask is this an issue with the beta or is it a problem the tracker team need to look at ? Up to 1108m2 I had no problems but this is the error I get running a new tracker install with 1108m5 save.

[n01487477]

ORIGINAL: asdicus

michaelm several of us have reported problems running 1108m5 beta with tracker. Can I ask is this an issue with the beta or is it a problem the tracker team need to look at ? Up to 1108m2 I had no problems but this is the error I get running a new tracker install with 1108m5 save.

Answered in the Tracker thread... (change the dll in the tracker folder)

Michael - there are 2 different dlls one for the M4 and one the M5 with differing dates - the M5 has a later date ... Is this by design?