Disaster in the making. Oloren (axis) vs Terje (USSR)

[Seminole]

They are 8 MP units

Check 14.1.1-2 in the manual.
You have a leadership/supply issue (overloaded HQs too?) that is reducing the MP allotted.  Corps can have as many as 16 MP with good supply and a decent leader.
Disbanding Guards rifle corps is madness.

[Q-Ball]

I would have to really think twice about disbanding Corps. Once you disband, you can't get them back.

I can see possibly that, as the line gets shorter, it might be a good idea; the Russians need to try to keep Rifle Corps close to 100% TOE. That's more useful than a bunch at 60% TOE.

You need some extras to rotate through the line; best way to keep them up to strength is to rotate them back periodically on REFIT to collect replacements.

I also wonder if you couldn't thin out the line elsewhere. After 1943, you barely need to defend as Soviets; what are the Germans going to do, advance? You can leave whole sectors undefended, the Germans aren't going anywhere....

[gingerbread]

Better to merge than to disband. Probably have to break down the Corps before merging the components to other units.

[terje439]

ORIGINAL: Seminole

They are 8 MP units

Check 14.1.1-2 in the manual.
You have a leadership/supply issue (overloaded HQs too?) that is reducing the MP allotted.  Corps can have as many as 16 MP with good supply and a decent leader.
Disbanding Guards rifle corps is madness.

The units in question was within supply range, so that should not be the major issue with them, but they did have low morale, and pretty much every front is overloaded.
The rifle corps was probably the one that was out of supply as it jumped to 14 MP when it moved a fex hexes back, and hence survived the purge.

Terje

[terje439]

ORIGINAL: Q-Ball

1. I would have to really think twice about disbanding Corps. Once you disband, you can't get them back.

2. I can see possibly that, as the line gets shorter, it might be a good idea; the Russians need to try to keep Rifle Corps close to 100% TOE. That's more useful than a bunch at 60% TOE.

3. You need some extras to rotate through the line; best way to keep them up to strength is to rotate them back periodically on REFIT to collect replacements.

4. I also wonder if you couldn't thin out the line elsewhere. After 1943, you barely need to defend as Soviets; what are the Germans going to do, advance? You can leave whole sectors undefended, the Germans aren't going anywhere....

1. Oh, I thought about it for several turns, but #2 on your list "won" the argument about some of the corps.

2. And there is the problem I faced, I was getting below 100k reinforcements per turn there for a while, and I estimate my corps are from 50-90% in terms of TOE, I needed more men to the fighting units.

3. Apart from my armored and mechanized corps, most corps will recieve a few turns rest every now and then, it is not the TOE that makes me do this, but the morale and fatigue.

4. Well, in the north we are rather thin (well for me that is [:D]), I realize that the rest of you scream bloody murder at the though of having a rifle corps placed against the Axis stacks and do nothing, but in my mind it pins down Axis units in the quiet sectors, denying them to reinforce the areas south of the Moscow-Minsk line.
That being said, there are a few hexes held by a mere division, and it makes me uneasy... I do not trust the divisions [;)]


Terje

[terje439]

ORIGINAL: gingerbread

Better to merge than to disband. Probably have to break down the Corps before merging the components to other units.

In the words of Homer Simpson - "D'Oh!" that one never occured to me.


Terje

[Flaviusx]

I'm not sure you can merge rifle corps breakdowns into full strength rifle corps, that's a novel situation.

If he's got more rifle corps than his replacement situation can really support, then economies must be made, one way or the other. I strongly suspect he build too many of them to begin with. (Too many being more than 150ish or so, and it's a stretch to maintain even that many.)

[terje439]

Turn 198

Overall
The Axis does not fall back, so we manage 58 attacks this turn, scoring 11 held, 45 retreat and 2 rout. The high ammount of battles means lots of casualties;
Axis : 105.000 troops and 425 AFVs
USSR : 142.000 troops and 852(!!!) AFVs.

Units
The fronts are readjusted in that we once more try to form up to the principle "same goes with same".
Our forces claim a growth of 58.000 troops.

Pools
159.000 workers arrive at the manpower pool this turn, ending it at 7.494.
Vehicle pool : 232.377.
Armaments pool : 969.547.

Units destroyed
The German 111th Fortified Zone is destroyed this turn. There are forts all along the west bank of the Dnepr, since they do not really halt my advance in any way, I think I would have disbanded them.

Operation Surprise
Well this failed on the opening stages with the Rumanian Division there, our guys are now just wandering, trying to force the Axis to attack them, but it has allready moved a division from the Axis defence of the straight. Too bad I am still too weak to attack across.

Partisans
7 units are chased away, which leaves 20 units on the map. Our guys manage 8 acts of sabotague this turn.

[terje439]

ORIGINAL: Flaviusx

I'm not sure you can merge rifle corps breakdowns into full strength rifle corps, that's a novel situation.

If he's got more rifle corps than his replacement situation can really support, then economies must be made, one way or the other. I strongly suspect he build too many of them to begin with. (Too many being more than 150ish or so, and it's a stretch to maintain even that many.)

You are correct, I built too many, one more for the "n00b"-account [:)]

Terje

[Seminole]

The units in question was within supply range, so that should not be the major issue with them, but they did have low morale, and pretty much every front is overloaded.
The rifle corps was probably the one that was out of supply as it jumped to 14 MP when it moved a fex hexes back, and hence survived the purge.

Morale is not a factor.  RTFM [:D]
Fatigue, supplies (or fuel for motorized), Admin check and Initiative checks are what determine MP.

If you've overloaded the parent HQ they may still have an issue getting their full supply allotment (too many kitties, not enough titties).  Check their supply vs need to see how they're doing.

I'd advocate NOT overloading your combat HQs and their respective Fronts (reduces the chance of making leadership rolls), and instead have some follow on HQs that report to Stavka that you rotate really tired/worn out units in need of refit to 10+ hexes behind the line (so that morale recovers as quickly as possible).

[terje439]

ORIGINAL: Seminole
Morale is not a factor.  RTFM [:D]

That would not let you make those remarks, and where is the fun in that [:D]
Ok so I learned something new....again hehe


terje

[Tarhunnas]

Nice AAR! Interesting to see some other players getting into 1945.

[terje439]

turn 199

Overall
Mud...That pretty much sums it up. We pull back so that we only have 1 unit on the frontline, and make sure all mechanized/tank corps are behind the line as well. Time to rest and prepare for the last offensive that will come.
Losses are estimated at;
Axis : 22.000 troops and 42 AFVs
USSR : 76.000 troops and 170 AFVs

Units
Our forces claim a growth of 69.000 troops this turn.

Pools
163.000 workers arrive at the manpower pool, ending it at 1.
Vehicle pool : 239.019
Armaments pool : 975.536.

[terje439]

ORIGINAL: Tarhunnas

Nice AAR! Interesting to see some other players getting into 1945.

Thank you [:)]

Terje

[randallw]

Soviet unit building should be at least 3 months before you need units to defend with and longer for attacking with them.

[76mm]

terje, what are your respective OOB manpower strengths?

[terje439]

ORIGINAL: randallw

Soviet unit building should be at least 3 months before you need units to defend with and longer for attacking with them.

The problem I suffered in this game was the extreme losses, due to poor judgement on my part, in -42 and -43.

Terje

[terje439]

ORIGINAL: 76mm

terje, what are your respective OOB manpower strengths?

OOB at the start of turn 199

[gingerbread]

Flaviusx' concern was warranted, I tried to merge a Corps component to another Corps in the '43 scen but that is not possible.

Sorry for confusion caused.

[Flaviusx]

ORIGINAL: gingerbread

Flaviusx' concern was warranted, I tried to merge a Corps component to another Corps in the '43 scen but that is not possible.

Sorry for confusion caused.

I assume this goes also goes for any kind of broken down unit. They're probably restricted to their parent unit only.