OT - The New Coronavirus

[Lobster]

ORIGINAL: Lava

ORIGINAL: Lobster
Prove it.

In the one country which first started large scale testing (South Korea) and where the numbers published can be somewhat believable (almost certainly still lots of folks who had it but weren't confirmed)...

South Korea has 8961 confirmed cases and 111 deaths. That is a 0.012 death rate.

See right there you made an error. You are making an assumption that every case was tested. That is highly doubtful. You would have to test the entire population to get an accurate number. No one will ever have an entirely accurate number. Extrapolations is as close as anyone will ever come.

And personally I don't give a flying F about the numbers. Just do what you know you should do to avoid becoming one. It's just that it's annoying to see people ganging up on others who have an opinion.

[Lobster]

https://www.wired.com/2014/09/when-extr ... -fails-us/

[warspite1]

ORIGINAL: Lobster

It's just that it's annoying to see people ganging up on others who have an opinion.

warspite1

And I think its annoying that you see this as 'ganging up'. I reject that accusation completely. This is not the school playground; we are adults discussing something potentially huge - hell its big enough already.

Maybe, just maybe, the depth of feeling expressed by so many - with not one actually supporting the 'methodology' iirc perhaps says more about how shockingly mis-guided that 'calculation' is than anything else.

[MrsWargamer]

This 'event' is likely going to help with my diet.

Can't go out anywhere to eat illogically.

Probably help my budget too, as I won't be able to spend much casually, as there is nowhere to spend it.

My province is planning to shut down all non-essential, which likely means only booze and food and meds. And I don't drink, and I have my meds in order. Plus, I have a habit of not eating the stuff in the freezer. I probably will not need to shop for much in April. But I'm worried about my model glue supplies.

This virus isn't a beast we can shoot. And what with people hating vaccinations, and some want to pray it away, this problem will survive for a long ways to come.

I plan to get on with my life the second the weather permits me to get out on my bike. Fortunately, I don't need retail, or services to manage that.

[Lobster]

Really? When a group of people bash one individual what do you call that? Whether it's orchestrated or not the purpose is to silence someone.

And again you are approaching this like you live in Iceland and seeing that there is a volcanic eruption in Japan you evacuate off shore so it doesn't affect you. Or at least that's your argument. [8|]

Look at the numbers in your city. That is what you need to worry about. Not what is happening in another country. You can't do anything about them.

[gamer78]

Since both my parents +70 I did grocery shop for them also bought beer and rakı: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rak%C4%B1
Gaming while drinking for me. [:)]

[Lobster]

ORIGINAL: gamer78

Since both my parents +70 I did grocery shop for them also bought beer and rakı: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rak%C4%B1
Gaming while drinking for me. [:)]

When one of the essential businesses that were to remain open was venues that sold alcohol I was mildly amused. As if being drunk was a necessary prerequisite for worlds end. It would ease the pain a bit. [;)]

[Zovs]

The problem is and what I am getting tired of is the false and fear mongering doom and gloom posts that Bob is posting and that Jack is radically defending and then calling anyone who opposes the viewpoints of Bob horrible names (i.e. personal attacks).

This is turning into a zoo because of this behavior.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with mature adults having a reasonable dialog and if they disagree on formulas or bad or incorrect math or data and then point it out.

What is wrong is when Bob keeps posting those incorrect and false speculations of mass death and someone points out his data and formulas are incorrect, and he just ignores you and says he is right and you are wrong (no used trying to talk to a brick-wall), and then Jack hopes in and calls or attacks the other person challenging the the bad data and incorrect formulas.

Hence this has turned into a zoo and play ground now instead of a decent place to have a conversation.

[z1812]

ORIGINAL: Zovs

The problem is and what I am getting tired of is the false and fear mongering doom and gloom posts that Bob is posting and that Jack is radically defending and then calling anyone who opposes the viewpoints of Bob horrible names (i.e. personal attacks).

This is turning into a zoo because of this behavior.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with mature adults having a reasonable dialog and if they disagree on formulas or bad or incorrect math or data and then point it out.

What is wrong is when Bob keeps posting those incorrect and false speculations of mass death and someone points out his data and formulas are incorrect, and he just ignores you and says he is right and you are wrong (no used trying to talk to a brick-wall), and then Jack hopes in and calls or attacks the other person challenging the the bad data and incorrect formulas.

Hence this has turned into a zoo and play ground now instead of a decent place to have a conversation.

I agree with you...............but I think the best thing to do is ignore them.

[*Lava*]

ORIGINAL: Lobster

ORIGINAL: Lava

ORIGINAL: Lobster
Prove it.

In the one country which first started large scale testing (South Korea) and where the numbers published can be somewhat believable (almost certainly still lots of folks who had it but weren't confirmed)...

South Korea has 8961 confirmed cases and 111 deaths. That is a 0.012 death rate.

See right there you made an error. You are making an assumption that every case was tested.

Incorrect.

I specifically stated that the amount of folks who had the virus and weren't tested was unknown.

However, had everyone been tested... the death ratio would be far lower then 1%.

[Lobster]

ORIGINAL: Zovs

The problem is and what I am getting tired of is the false and fear mongering doom and gloom posts that Bob is posting and that Jack is radically defending and then calling anyone who opposes the viewpoints of Bob horrible names (i.e. personal attacks).

Not defending anything. Simply pointing out that Bob has a right to say what he wants. Erik pointed out the exact same thing (post #619). So I guess what you are saying about me you are also saying about Erik. I simply defend his right and your right to say what you want without groups of people piling on. Same as Erik did (post #619).

And since your reply seems to be extremely narrowly focused I did point out that global numbers will do you no good. You need to look at local numbers. How is that defending anyone? It's common sense.

I can also say that the people who accurately forecast how bad it was going to get were accused of spreading panic and unfounded rumors of doom and gloom and were accused of over reacting. Well, doom and gloom is upon us.

[Lobster]

double post [;)]

[GaryChildress]

One thing I haven't seen a lot of in the news is WHAT DO YOU DO IF YOU GET THE CORONA VIRUS?????

Suppose the hospitals are full, how do you fight it at home. Should you drink a lot of fluids, eat a lot of vitamin C foods, etc to build up your immune system? Or what is the best way to fight the disease if you get it????

[Lobster]

ORIGINAL: GaryChildress

One thing I haven't seen a lot of in the news is WHAT DO YOU DO IF YOU GET THE CORONA VIRUS?????

Suppose the hospitals are full, how do you fight it at home. Should you drink a lot of fluids, eat a lot of vitamin C foods, etc to build up your immune system? Or what is the best way to fight the disease if you get it????

Look here: https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/index.html

If you are so bad you need help then regardless of how full the hospitals are you need to call the emergency medical personnel.

W.H.O. situation report:
https://www.who.int/docs/default-source ... d97cb6dd_2

[warspite1]

ORIGINAL: Lobster

Really? When a group of people bash one individual what do you call that? Whether it's orchestrated or not the purpose is to silence someone.

And again you are approaching this like you live in Iceland and seeing that there is a volcanic eruption in Japan you evacuate off shore so it doesn't affect you. Or at least that's your argument. [8|]

Look at the numbers in your city. That is what you need to worry about. Not what is happening in another country. You can't do anything about them.

warspite1

a) it's not 'bashing' an individual - I have no reason or wish to 'bash' Curtis Lemay personally, but its pointing out just how wrong his posting of that 'calculation' is - and the number of people that have done so is perhaps a clue? There is a difference between 'bashing' and getting one's point across. It's called a debate and people are allowed to express an opinion. Or are you of the view that once one person (two? three?) voice their opinion, further comment by others is not allowed? Even though they may have different angles and different strands to the debate? What is the correct number of people that may voice an opinion? So when there was an interminable argument about time stamps in TOAW why did you feel the need to 'gang up' on the guy arguing with Curtis Lemay? He had it all covered so wasn't your input superfluous? Or were you just expressing your opinion as you are fully entitled to do, and which is what has happened here?

I don't seek to silence him, that is absurd. I hoped he would be sufficiently aware of the situation, take on board the cogent arguments against posting that data in isolation, but if not, at least to add an appropriate caveat to the limitations of his %. But he chooses not to. He prefers the big scary, meaningless numbers without context approach. This is a serious situation and I think that is irresponsible.

b) please don't tell me how I personally should be approaching this. Your Japan/Iceland eruption is as pertinent to the situation as his ridiculous coins in the air. I should be looking at the numbers in my city only should I? I look at the numbers in my county, city, country, Europe, the world. I seek to educate myself on this topic as much as I can. So thanks for telling me how I should be viewing this and what I need to worry about, but I'll pass if its all the same.

[RangerJoe]

ORIGINAL: GaryChildress

One thing I haven't seen a lot of in the news is WHAT DO YOU DO IF YOU GET THE CORONA VIRUS?????

Suppose the hospitals are full, how do you fight it at home. Should you drink a lot of fluids, eat a lot of vitamin C foods, etc to build up your immune system? Or what is the best way to fight the disease if you get it????

Of you get sick, stay home.

I have posted these before, I suggest that you read them:

Cytokine release syndrome (CRS) is a form of systemic inflammatory response syndrome that can be triggered by a variety of factors such as infections and certain drugs. It occurs when large numbers of white blood cells are activated and release inflammatory cytokines, which in turn activate yet more white blood cells. CRS is also an adverse effect of some monoclonal antibody drugs, as well as adoptive T-cell therapies. Severe cases have been called cytokine storms. When occurring as a result of drug administration, it is also known as an infusion reaction.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cytokine_release_syndrome

Cytokine Storm and Herbs: Life or Death Information!

https://www.naturalmedicinemamas.com/nm ... nformation

[ThunderLizard11]

ORIGINAL: RangerJoe

I hate to sound crass, but you have to die from something unless you are immortal. That said, it might just aggravate existing conditions such as asthma, heart problems, and other issues. Live your life but take sensible precautions. Actually, the proper mask can help the non-infected stay that way by not breathing in the pathogens but you can still get sick from catching the various illness causing pathogens some other way.

Yeah but if Covid-19 gets you now you will have lost out on many hours of gaming...

[RangerJoe]

ORIGINAL: ThunderLizard2

ORIGINAL: RangerJoe

I hate to sound crass, but you have to die from something unless you are immortal. That said, it might just aggravate existing conditions such as asthma, heart problems, and other issues. Live your life but take sensible precautions. Actually, the proper mask can help the non-infected stay that way by not breathing in the pathogens but you can still get sick from catching the various illness causing pathogens some other way.

Yeah but if Covid-19 gets you now you will have lost out on many hours of gaming...

Apparently you did not get the meaning of what I posted. Becoming ill because of a CoVid-19 infection is not a death sentence - otherwise just kill everyone infected and be done with it.

[Chickenboy]

ORIGINAL: RangerJoe

ORIGINAL: GaryChildress

One thing I haven't seen a lot of in the news is WHAT DO YOU DO IF YOU GET THE CORONA VIRUS?????

Suppose the hospitals are full, how do you fight it at home. Should you drink a lot of fluids, eat a lot of vitamin C foods, etc to build up your immune system? Or what is the best way to fight the disease if you get it????

Of you get sick, stay home.

I have posted these before, I suggest that you read them:

Cytokine release syndrome (CRS) is a form of systemic inflammatory response syndrome that can be triggered by a variety of factors such as infections and certain drugs. It occurs when large numbers of white blood cells are activated and release inflammatory cytokines, which in turn activate yet more white blood cells. CRS is also an adverse effect of some monoclonal antibody drugs, as well as adoptive T-cell therapies. Severe cases have been called cytokine storms. When occurring as a result of drug administration, it is also known as an infusion reaction.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cytokine_release_syndrome

Cytokine Storm and Herbs: Life or Death Information!

https://www.naturalmedicinemamas.com/nm ... nformation

Ranger Joe-the 'natural medicine' article you posted is entirely without peer review merit. Nobody thinks Tumeric is going to prevent cytokine cascade. Please don't post such unapproved home remedies here.

[RangerJoe]

ORIGINAL: Chickenboy

ORIGINAL: RangerJoe

ORIGINAL: GaryChildress

One thing I haven't seen a lot of in the news is WHAT DO YOU DO IF YOU GET THE CORONA VIRUS?????

Suppose the hospitals are full, how do you fight it at home. Should you drink a lot of fluids, eat a lot of vitamin C foods, etc to build up your immune system? Or what is the best way to fight the disease if you get it????

Of you get sick, stay home.

I have posted these before, I suggest that you read them:

Cytokine release syndrome (CRS) is a form of systemic inflammatory response syndrome that can be triggered by a variety of factors such as infections and certain drugs. It occurs when large numbers of white blood cells are activated and release inflammatory cytokines, which in turn activate yet more white blood cells. CRS is also an adverse effect of some monoclonal antibody drugs, as well as adoptive T-cell therapies. Severe cases have been called cytokine storms. When occurring as a result of drug administration, it is also known as an infusion reaction.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cytokine_release_syndrome

Cytokine Storm and Herbs: Life or Death Information!

https://www.naturalmedicinemamas.com/nm ... nformation

Ranger Joe-the 'natural medicine' article you posted is entirely without peer review merit. Nobody thinks Tumeric is going to prevent cytokine cascade. Please don't post such unapproved home remedies here.

My apologies, you are entirely correct. Curcumin is the active ingredient in Tumeric that is of interest. This is what the NIH states:

Curcumin suppression of cytokine release and cytokine storm. A potential therapy for patients with Ebola and other severe viral infections.

Abstract
BACKGROUND:

The terminal stage of Ebola and other viral diseases is often the onset of a cytokine storm, the massive overproduction of cytokines by the body's immune system.
MATERIALS AND METHODS:

The actions of curcumin in suppressing cytokine release and cytokine storm are discussed.
RESULTS:

Curcumin blocks cytokine release, most importantly the key pro-inflammatory cytokines, interleukin-1, interleukin-6 and tumor necrosis factor-α. The suppression of cytokine release by curcumin correlates with clinical improvement in experimental models of disease conditions where a cytokine storm plays a significant role in mortality.
CONCLUSION:

The use of curcumin should be investigated in patients with Ebola and cytokine storm. Intravenous formulations may allow achievement of therapeutic blood levels of curcumin.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25600522/

So you are entirely correct. The NIH has no background in researching ways of killing viruses in people.