OT: Coronavirus 2, the No Politics Version

[durnedwolf]

Look at the time on the atomic clock...

When the Atomic Clock strikes 2:30...

[Bo Rearguard]

ORIGINAL: RangerJoe


There are some problems with that one. No facilities for waste disposal being one!

Two bunks for five people is what strikes me. Plus with the EMP effect there can't be a whole lot of Howdy Doody to watch on the TV.

[RangerJoe]

That reminds me of a Y2K shelter. Lots of canned food, only an electric opener, but no electricity.

[fcooke]

Y2k was fun....we fixed a bunch of code but because very few things broke it was a hoax as far as reporting went.. So much for getting the job done. I did get to watch fireworks from the office over the Thames as we waited for things to go in a bad way at the turn of the century, so that was cool.

[RangerJoe]

Buckeye Institute sues Ohio and city of Columbus over income taxes during coronavirus lockdown

A think tank is suing the state of Ohio and the city of Columbus, saying a state law allowing the city to collect income taxes from employees required to work from their homes outside the municipality amid the COVID-19 pandemic is unconstitutional.

The Buckeye Institute and three of its employees – Rea S. Hederman Jr., Greg R. Lawson and Joe Nichols – filed the lawsuit last week in Franklin County Common Pleas Court.

The Buckeye Institute, which required its employees to work from home to comply with a state order mandating nonessential businesses close, is challenging a provision included in House Bill 197. The legislation “deemed” for tax purposes the work that employees did at home “to have been performed” at their primary office. . . .

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/poli ... s-lockdown

There is more to the article. But if anyone works where the local governments have an income tax, it is worth reading and following.

[RangerJoe]

10 Deadliest Pandemics In History Were Much Worse Than Coronavirus So Far
COVID-19 has us all thinking about public health, but looking back, there have been many pandemics before, and we persist in spite of them.

https://thefederalist.com/2020/04/18/10 ... us-so-far/

[RangerJoe]

Six weeks old. [:(]

Texas city lists newborn's death as COVID-19-related

https://www.foxnews.com/health/texas-ci ... us-related

[RangerJoe]

Kill them fleas, the deadliest plague known to man:

Squirrel tests positive for plague in Colorado
Plague can be treated with antibiotics upon early diagnosis.

https://www.foxnews.com/health/squirrel ... n-colorado

Protect the cats as well.

[RangerJoe]

Interim Clinical Guidance for Management of Patients with Confirmed Coronavirus Disease (COVID-19)

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-nc ... ients.html

[Dante Fierro]

Immunity to COVID-19 could be lost in months: UK study suggests

https://www.presstv.com/Detail/2020/07/ ... -UK-China-

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ORIGINAL: BBfanboy

ORIGINAL: Dante Fierro

Funny how often COVID-19 gets steered into a political argument. As if people here have an agenda whether they want to admit to it or not. And who gets left out, all the ordinary working Americans who have to deal with this crisis on a first hand basis.

I think this is rooted in the psychological "need" to be proven correct in one's beliefs (because security comes from being able to project what will happen next). When our beliefs start to dismiss objective data, we create a "faith", and that is very hard to abandon. Doing so would mean admitting we were wrong about a long list of things that we constructed/incorporated as part of the faith.

My own faith seems to be that skeptics, who demand objective evidence about new info, are more flexible in creating/abandoning various models of what is happening. I freely admit to being wrong about a great many things during my lifetime and I am the better for changing my mind. But like all of us, I am a (piece of?) work in progress!

I like your approach. I was forced in some ways to adopt something similar from a young age. It's not "better" but it might be more flexible in making adjustments to unforeseen events and being able to learn form mistaken assumptions. During times of stability it can also be unsettling to not have the kind of guidance, comfort and understanding that faith allows.

[Rising-Sun]

Yeah it is bad, actually really bad all over the world too. Idk seem like wrath of god going on over in China with all that storms, quakes, etc. If that flooding keep going, it will split China in two.

[JohnDillworth]

And now Hospitals have been told to report coronavirus-related information directly to the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS), not the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), under new instructions from the Trump administration. So the distortion of numbers will now become official policy. First it started with the states fudging numbers now the fudging will come directly from the White House. https://www.hhs.gov/sites/default/files/covid-19-faqs-hospitals-hospital-laboratory-acute-care-facility-data-reporting.pdf

[obvert]

ORIGINAL: JohnDillworth

And now Hospitals have been told to report coronavirus-related information directly to the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS), not the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), under new instructions from the Trump administration. So the distortion of numbers will now become official policy. First it started with the states fudging numbers now the fudging will come directly from the White House. https://www.hhs.gov/sites/default/files/covid-19-faqs-hospitals-hospital-laboratory-acute-care-facility-data-reporting.pdf

This will make it hard to be accurately informed but each state must continue to act on its own and in conjunction with neighbouring states. At this point there is no real mitigation strategy anyway so the numbers aren't doing anything useful other than to inform scientists and local policy makers.

Information will get out regardless I think, and it's already quite obvious what is happening.

[JohnDillworth]

ORIGINAL: obvert

ORIGINAL: JohnDillworth

And now Hospitals have been told to report coronavirus-related information directly to the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS), not the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), under new instructions from the Trump administration. So the distortion of numbers will now become official policy. First it started with the states fudging numbers now the fudging will come directly from the White House. https://www.hhs.gov/sites/default/files/covid-19-faqs-hospitals-hospital-laboratory-acute-care-facility-data-reporting.pdf

This will make it hard to be accurately informed but each state must continue to act on its own and in conjunction with neighbouring states. At this point there is no real mitigation strategy anyway so the numbers aren't doing anything useful other than to inform scientists and local policy makers.

Information will get out regardless I think, and it's already quite obvious what is happening.

The Center for Disease Control was created 75 years ago to just that. Track and report on infectious diseases. To remove them now, in the middle of a pandemic, for purely political reasons, is insane. Simply put, many people will now die because of vanity.

[JohnDillworth]

Congratulations Governor DeSantis of Florida! You are doing a great job! So much better than Governor Cuomo. Your state has now shattered the record for most new infections in a day. Well done Florida! https://www.npr.org/sections/coronaviru ... han-15-200

[Nomad]

Things like this make you wonder what is what: https://justthenews.com/politics-policy ... nflated-90

[JohnDillworth]

ORIGINAL: Nomad

Things like this make you wonder what is what: https://justthenews.com/politics-policy ... nflated-90

Are you suggesting that the State Of Florida's official site is over reporting data? Because that is where the number came from.

[Nomad]

ORIGINAL: JohnDillworth

ORIGINAL: Nomad

Things like this make you wonder what is what: https://justthenews.com/politics-policy ... nflated-90

Are you suggesting that the State Of Florida's official site is over reporting data? Because that is where the number came from.

I am not "suggesting" anything, the article clearly states that a lab in Florida overstated its covid positivity rate. I do wonder how many other labs did the same and where else in the USA it occurred.

[BBfanboy]

ORIGINAL: obvert

ORIGINAL: BBfanboy

ORIGINAL: Dante Fierro

Funny how often COVID-19 gets steered into a political argument. As if people here have an agenda whether they want to admit to it or not. And who gets left out, all the ordinary working Americans who have to deal with this crisis on a first hand basis.

I think this is rooted in the psychological "need" to be proven correct in one's beliefs (because security comes from being able to project what will happen next). When our beliefs start to dismiss objective data, we create a "faith", and that is very hard to abandon. Doing so would mean admitting we were wrong about a long list of things that we constructed/incorporated as part of the faith.

My own faith seems to be that skeptics, who demand objective evidence about new info, are more flexible in creating/abandoning various models of what is happening. I freely admit to being wrong about a great many things during my lifetime and I am the better for changing my mind. But like all of us, I am a (piece of?) work in progress!

I like your approach. I was forced in some ways to adopt something similar from a young age. It's not "better" but it might be more flexible in making adjustments to unforeseen events and being able to learn form mistaken assumptions. During times of stability it can also be unsettling to not have the kind of guidance, comfort and understanding that faith allows.

I was not addressing this to religious faith, if that is your comfort source you refer to. I was referring to our own personal models of how the world works that include sets of assumptions that don't fit with bona fide data, well sourced and verified. To ignore this requires us to put faith in some other source that supports out assumptions.

This could describe the back-and-forth about which news outlet can be trusted and which cannot. No outlet will be completely error free in every detail, but over months and years they build reputations for whether they are following good journalism practices. To me, one of the tip-offs is that good news reporting acknowledges their errors and announces a correction while the poor ones change the subject to take attention away from their previous assertions.

Either way, there is too much reporting of opinions of "experts" (which can be found to support any position the news outlet wants) rather than the presentation of the objective facts with all the different interpretations one could make of the data. I think part of the reason news outlets do this is because they realize there is a large segment of the population who do not have the critical thinking skills to decide which interpretation is likely most accurate, so they present their own bias. It seems to earn them more income that way.