OT: Coronavirus 2, the No Politics Version

[RangerJoe]

ORIGINAL: JohnDillworth

Congratulations Governor DeSantis of Florida! You are doing a great job! So much better than Governor Cuomo. Your state has now shattered the record for most new infections in a day. Well done Florida! https://www.npr.org/sections/coronaviru ... han-15-200

But is Florida forcing nursing homes to take Covid-19 patients without testing them or even informing the nursing homes who has Covid-19? [8|]

Or are these younger people who can more easily fight off the infection and help develop herd immunity?

[JohnDillworth]

ORIGINAL: Nomad

ORIGINAL: JohnDillworth

ORIGINAL: Nomad

Things like this make you wonder what is what: https://justthenews.com/politics-policy ... nflated-90

Are you suggesting that the State Of Florida's official site is over reporting data? Because that is where the number came from.

I am not "suggesting" anything, the article clearly states that a lab in Florida overstated its covid positivity rate. I do wonder how many other labs did the same and where else in the USA it occurred.

yes, but the source is a right wing news aggregator so I'm not sure that is as credible as the CDC or Johns Hopkins

[JohnDillworth]

ORIGINAL: RangerJoe

ORIGINAL: JohnDillworth

Congratulations Governor DeSantis of Florida! You are doing a great job! So much better than Governor Cuomo. Your state has now shattered the record for most new infections in a day. Well done Florida! https://www.npr.org/sections/coronaviru ... han-15-200

But is Florida forcing nursing homes to take Covid-19 patients without testing them or even informing the nursing homes who has Covid-19? [8|]

Or are these younger people who can more easily fight off the infection and help develop herd immunity?

I don't know but in New York nursing homes and assisted living sites accounted for 20% of the fatalities and in Florida they account for 50% of fatalities. While there is no excuse for this New Yorks 20% is understandable since this was all new to everybody and they adjusted. Florida at or near 50% according to the Miami Herald seems cruel considering they had so much more time to deal with this

[RangerJoe]

ORIGINAL: JohnDillworth

ORIGINAL: Nomad

ORIGINAL: JohnDillworth


Are you suggesting that the State Of Florida's official site is over reporting data? Because that is where the number came from.

I am not "suggesting" anything, the article clearly states that a lab in Florida overstated its covid positivity rate. I do wonder how many other labs did the same and where else in the USA it occurred.

yes, but the source is a right wing news aggregator so I'm not sure that is as credible as the CDC or Johns Hopkins

Just because you do not like the source does not mean that it is incorrect.

[BBfanboy]

ORIGINAL: RangerJoe

ORIGINAL: JohnDillworth

ORIGINAL: Nomad



I am not "suggesting" anything, the article clearly states that a lab in Florida overstated its covid positivity rate. I do wonder how many other labs did the same and where else in the USA it occurred.

yes, but the source is a right wing news aggregator so I'm not sure that is as credible as the CDC or Johns Hopkins

Just because you do not like the source does not mean that it is incorrect.

There is lots of contradictory information out there. Each of us must choose which info is more credible. JohnD made his choice based on his experience and judgement. It's OK if you continue to believe the linked article instead, you have your own judgement to make.

[JohnDillworth]

ORIGINAL: RangerJoe

ORIGINAL: JohnDillworth

ORIGINAL: Nomad



I am not "suggesting" anything, the article clearly states that a lab in Florida overstated its covid positivity rate. I do wonder how many other labs did the same and where else in the USA it occurred.

yes, but the source is a right wing news aggregator so I'm not sure that is as credible as the CDC or Johns Hopkins

Just because you do not like the source does not mean that it is incorrect.

Perhaps but since this is life or death I suspect the health experts that run Floridas website, (which actually has a history of under-reporting cases), the CDC and Johns Hopkins might be a better resource than a right wing blog with no journalistic creditably much less medical or science credentials. Sure, you can find someone that says whatever you want to hear but it doesn't make it a fact or even plausible. There are people that claim the earth is flat. One can claim that , but that claim doesn't not carry the same weight as someone that knows the world is round. The world is still round. Gravity is only a theory but I'd be careful testing that theory

[RangerJoe]

ORIGINAL: JohnDillworth

ORIGINAL: RangerJoe

ORIGINAL: JohnDillworth


yes, but the source is a right wing news aggregator so I'm not sure that is as credible as the CDC or Johns Hopkins

Just because you do not like the source does not mean that it is incorrect.

Perhaps but since this is life or death I suspect the health experts that run Floridas website, (which actually has a history of under-reporting cases), the CDC and Johns Hopkins might be a better resource than a right wing blog with no journalistic creditably much less medical or science credentials. Sure, you can find someone that says whatever you want to hear but it doesn't make it a fact or even plausible. There are people that claim the earth is flat. One can claim that , but that claim doesn't not carry the same weight as someone that knows the world is round. The world is still round. Gravity is only a theory but I'd be careful testing that theory

I remember when a newspaper which some called a "gossip rag" came out with a news story that some people did not think was credible otherwise a "regular newspaper or news media would have reported it. It turns out that the National Enquirer was correct.

This is not like comparing the shape of the earth which is actually a spheroid, not round.

[Dante Fierro]

'Covid Party' To Expose 'Hoax' Turns Deadly

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IG2P7dm ... XjQyen%3A6

[Nomad]

ORIGINAL: JohnDillworth

ORIGINAL: Nomad

ORIGINAL: JohnDillworth



Are you suggesting that the State Of Florida's official site is over reporting data? Because that is where the number came from.

I am not "suggesting" anything, the article clearly states that a lab in Florida overstated its covid positivity rate. I do wonder how many other labs did the same and where else in the USA it occurred.

yes, but the source is a right wing news aggregator so I'm not sure that is as credible as the CDC or Johns Hopkins

So if it is from a right wing news source it is wrong but if from a left wing news source it would be right. Got it.

[DD696]

All of this is non political, huh?. Ok. I get it. After all, I am, in your eyes, just a Marine who doesn't give a crap about the United States of America. All Marines should be so proud of your pointing out that we just need to have another drink.

[RangerJoe]

ORIGINAL: DD696

All of this is non political, huh?. Ok. I get it. After all, I am, in your eyes, just a Marine who doesn't give a crap about the United States of America. All Marines should be so proud of your pointing out that we just need to have another drink.

Just one? Have more than that! After all, the US Marines were started in Boston bars!

Semper Fi!

[RangerJoe]

ORIGINAL: Nomad

ORIGINAL: JohnDillworth

ORIGINAL: Nomad



I am not "suggesting" anything, the article clearly states that a lab in Florida overstated its covid positivity rate. I do wonder how many other labs did the same and where else in the USA it occurred.

yes, but the source is a right wing news aggregator so I'm not sure that is as credible as the CDC or Johns Hopkins

So if it is from a right wing news source it is wrong but if from a left wing news source it would be right. Got it.

This reminds me of someone who would study case law for court. If there was any case law that was against him, he would ignore it. He would get shredded in court and lose. I am sure that someone with legal training can back me up on that.

[BBfanboy]

ORIGINAL: RangerJoe

ORIGINAL: JohnDillworth

ORIGINAL: RangerJoe



Just because you do not like the source does not mean that it is incorrect.

Perhaps but since this is life or death I suspect the health experts that run Floridas website, (which actually has a history of under-reporting cases), the CDC and Johns Hopkins might be a better resource than a right wing blog with no journalistic creditably much less medical or science credentials. Sure, you can find someone that says whatever you want to hear but it doesn't make it a fact or even plausible. There are people that claim the earth is flat. One can claim that , but that claim doesn't not carry the same weight as someone that knows the world is round. The world is still round. Gravity is only a theory but I'd be careful testing that theory

I remember when a newspaper which some called a "gossip rag" came out with a news story that some people did not think was credible otherwise a "regular newspaper or news media would have reported it. It turns out that the National Enquirer was correct.

This is not like comparing the shape of the earth which is actually a spheroid, not round.

Even a dead clock is right twice a day. NE's track record overall is pretty dismal - at least for those of us who have not been probed by aliens. All media have the opportunity to do excellent journalism, but many go for sensational stories that are not well supported by facts. I don't care which "wing" they align with, I just want good info to guide my world view.

For the record, when the Canada-US Free Trade pact was signed I thought it would be disastrous because I believed in protection of Canadian jobs. But over the years it became clear that removal of barriers stimulated more overall trade, and the rapid exchange of money is what creates more incomes and therefore more national wealth. I now believe in international trade over protectionism. Does that make me right wing or left wing? Neither! It makes me someone who sees trade as a way to improve conditions for all peoples.

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ORIGINAL: RangerJoe

ORIGINAL: JohnDillworth

ORIGINAL: Nomad



I am not "suggesting" anything, the article clearly states that a lab in Florida overstated its covid positivity rate. I do wonder how many other labs did the same and where else in the USA it occurred.

yes, but the source is a right wing news aggregator so I'm not sure that is as credible as the CDC or Johns Hopkins

Just because you do not like the source does not mean that it is incorrect.

It's usually not about liking or not liking. It's about trusting or not trusting. I've tried to find somewhat objective fact-checking sites that will let me know of inherent bias and unreliable reporting by sources at both extremes since this crisis began. This site has not passed the fact check.

In addition this is just about reporting test percentage rates, and is not contesting the actual number of positive tests. So it doesn't make me "wonder what is what" at all since the percentage testing rates are just an indicator of prevalence in various communities and are not nearly as important as the actual case numbers.

So really this is just a human interest story about how someone didn't think to compile total testing percentage numbers before calculating percentage positive.

ORIGINAL: Nomad


So if it is from a right wing news source it is wrong but if from a left wing news source it would be right. Got it.

Tools like this spell out the sometimes hidden or veiled attempts to create bias through various logical fallacies, inflated and misleading language and just plain inaccurate reporting. It's good to look at this for both sides. Have a go!

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/just-the-news/

[RangerJoe]

ORIGINAL: obvert

ORIGINAL: RangerJoe

ORIGINAL: JohnDillworth


yes, but the source is a right wing news aggregator so I'm not sure that is as credible as the CDC or Johns Hopkins

Just because you do not like the source does not mean that it is incorrect.

It's usually not about liking or not liking. It's about trusting or not trusting. I've tried to find somewhat objective fact-checking sites that will let me know of inherent bias and unreliable reporting by sources at both extremes since this crisis began. This site has not passed the fact check.

In addition this is just about reporting test percentage rates, and is not contesting the actual number of positive tests. So it doesn't make me "wonder what is what" at all since the percentage testing rates are just an indicator of prevalence in various communities and are not nearly as important as the actual case numbers.

So really this is just a human interest story about how someone didn't think to compile total testing percentage numbers before calculating percentage positive.

ORIGINAL: Nomad


So if it is from a right wing news source it is wrong but if from a left wing news source it would be right. Got it.

Tools like this spell out the sometimes hidden or veiled attempts to create bias through various logical fallacies, inflated and misleading language and just plain inaccurate reporting. It's good to look at this for both sides. Have a go!

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/just-the-news/

Some of those "fact check sites" are also biased.

[JohnDillworth]

More number fudging from Florida. Positive tests only count once and negative people that keep testing get counted as negative as many times as they take the tests. This is exactly the kind of chicanery you get when you put partisan lawyers in charge of a science problem https://www.orlandosentinel.com/coronav ... story.html

[RangerJoe]

ORIGINAL: JohnDillworth

More number fudging from Florida. Positive tests only count once and negative people that keep testing get counted as negative as many times as they take the tests. This is exactly the kind of chicanery you get when you put partisan lawyers in charge of a science problem https://www.orlandosentinel.com/coronav ... story.html

It has been done that way all over, including New York. They are not counting the people who test negative, just the number of tests. So that number fudging includes New York in the chicanery.

[JohnDillworth]

ORIGINAL: RangerJoe

ORIGINAL: JohnDillworth

More number fudging from Florida. Positive tests only count once and negative people that keep testing get counted as negative as many times as they take the tests. This is exactly the kind of chicanery you get when you put partisan lawyers in charge of a science problem https://www.orlandosentinel.com/coronav ... story.html

It has been done that way all over, including New York. They are not counting the people who test negative, just the number of tests. So that number fudging includes New York in the chicanery.

It's a shame there is no national standard on this. This each state choosing their own adventure is really working out well. Record cases, record infections, record hospitalizations, record death. 4% of the worlds population and 25% of the death. If only we had a Federal body or Center for disease control or a world renowned and respected expert on infectious disease that graduated first in his class from Columbia to lead us through this. If only we had a couple of States that have successfully flattened the curve to copy from. Too bad we don't have any of these things. At least Disney is open. Lets just keep on doing what we are doing and see how that works out for us? How is that going so far? But hey, Freedom!

[RangerJoe]

ORIGINAL: JohnDillworth

ORIGINAL: RangerJoe

ORIGINAL: JohnDillworth

More number fudging from Florida. Positive tests only count once and negative people that keep testing get counted as negative as many times as they take the tests. This is exactly the kind of chicanery you get when you put partisan lawyers in charge of a science problem https://www.orlandosentinel.com/coronav ... story.html

It has been done that way all over, including New York. They are not counting the people who test negative, just the number of tests. So that number fudging includes New York in the chicanery.

It's a shame there is no national standard on this. This each state choosing their own adventure is really working out well. Record cases, record infections, record hospitalizations, record death. 4% of the worlds population and 25% of the death. If only we had a Federal body or Center for disease control or a world renowned and respected expert on infectious disease that graduated first in his class from Columbia to lead us through this. If only we had a couple of States that have successfully flattened the curve to copy from. Too bad we don't have any of these things. At least Disney is open. Lets just keep on doing what we are doing and see how that works out for us? How is that going so far? But hey, Freedom!

Without freedom, life is not worth living.

So many deaths from states like New York forcing nursing homes to take Covid-19 positive patients and put them into nursing homes with the most vulnerable people.

How come you never respond to my questions? Can't answer them or are you to embarrassed to answer them?

[fcooke]

Folks - the tone of this thread is going in a negative direction and I fear will be shut down unless people get a little more polite.

As for news left/right whatever. I have always found the BBC and Reuters to be the most balanced.

Regards,
Frank