The one good thing about getting hit by CVs is that you now wnow where they are.[8|] Can't say that it was not expected but I had little choice if I am to ensure that Lunga stays in my hands. BUt the damage to my fast Transport TF was not nearly as bad as I expected. And I still have the other two fast TFs[:)]
The eastern half on PNG is now firmly in my control, to have any success in taking it Luskan would have to mount an operation about the same size as that for the PI....and well within range of my LRB and MRB plus swarms of fighters. I am of the opinion that he will for go any large scale ops here. PNG is mine ![:D]
The build-up in the Solomans and the South Pacific goes well. Lunga now has three divisons on the beach with supporting units still being rushed in. To take this Luskan would need at least 6 divisions...possible but that is a LOT of shipping in one small area, I can only cross my fingers and hope that he will comitt.
China is the sleeping dragon, I have so many attack points stored up that i almost pity the poor sods who are going to be caught in the coming storm, but not yet, not just yet, maybe in six months. Unless of course Luskan comitts to a spoiling attack, but I don't think that he has the brains to pull off such a daring operation.
India, well things are static here, I have pulled all ofmy bombers out of Akyab for some R&R, and looking at the numbers that is going to take at least a few weeks to build them back up. Then it is simply a case of finding some new targets..........naval targets are on my list this time.
The North Pacific....well Luskan has taken a few Islands, more to piss me off than for any other logical reason. I'd like to take them back but the shipping required to do so just does not seem to be worth it. Maybe I'll just blockade the place.
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RE: Rangoon dies
Never argue with an idiot, he will only drag you down to his level and beat you with experience.
RE: Rangoon dies
ORIGINAL: Raverdave
BUt the damage to my fast Transport TF was not nearly as bad as I expected. And I still have the other two fast TFs[:)]
The North Pacific....well Luskan has taken a few Islands, more to piss me off than for any other logical reason. I'd like to take them back but the shipping required to do so just does not seem to be worth it. Maybe I'll just blockade the place.
He's right about the north pacific - nuisance raids here were all they were. You never know - a foolish allied commander occaisionally decides that those jap transports up in the north can't be escorted by CVs (mine were escorted by a tiny little CVE so close enough) ad might send his cvs off to get some real practise in. That was the feint to try and lure his cvs away from what I planned to do at Lunga.
Unfortunately, I realised where Raver's CVs were a few turns later. Nothing lost I suppose - but there is one spot on the map he can't afford me to CV-blockade, and it is pretty obvious when you look at the map. lots of allied air cover, lots of allied troops to supply etc.
I hate the fact that as the japs if I'd lost 11 ships from a fast transport cruise (almost sank more ships than I lost planes) it would sting. Raver on the other hand thinks "oh well, I've got 2 more. Good thing the troops weren't aboard".
I am unsure about my deployment of CVs. The 4.5 cv division thing looks pretty dated at the moment because refits are ruining it. Going to have to give it some thought.
With dancing Bananas and Storm Troopers who needs BBs?
RE: Rangoon dies
Very quiet turn this turn - I have a total of 12(!) working planes at Rangoon now. Transferred them all out. I'm not gonig to beat Raver's self imposed hiatus on bombing. Unsure of what to do here still. Especially since we were neck and neck in points (I was 3X his score) but he just got 400 points worth of dead planes on the ground etc . . . drat.
I did sink the Sturgeon and the Guardfish (one off Rangoon, the other off Kagoshima).
In other news, the RN has to withdraw 1bb 1 cl and 2 dd by the end of the month. This is good news, although the RN hasn't put in much of an offensive showing lately, aside from that rather nasty swordfish attack of two weeks ago. I can't leave Rangoon without a defending surface force while there are planes on the ground.
Let this be a lesson to all you allied and jap players. Allies - be sure to get your troops out of singapore - and into burma. Japs - be sure to cull those troops before they hit burma, and when you get to burma and take rangoon and think "how long can my luck last?" don't sit on your ass, go and find out the hard way by pressing on.
Theatre by theatre you'd have to say I won the SRA in this game, but Raver has won China (the early game ensures he's going to win the late game) and he's won Burma. Solomons and PNG hangs in the balance . . .
I did sink the Sturgeon and the Guardfish (one off Rangoon, the other off Kagoshima).
In other news, the RN has to withdraw 1bb 1 cl and 2 dd by the end of the month. This is good news, although the RN hasn't put in much of an offensive showing lately, aside from that rather nasty swordfish attack of two weeks ago. I can't leave Rangoon without a defending surface force while there are planes on the ground.
Let this be a lesson to all you allied and jap players. Allies - be sure to get your troops out of singapore - and into burma. Japs - be sure to cull those troops before they hit burma, and when you get to burma and take rangoon and think "how long can my luck last?" don't sit on your ass, go and find out the hard way by pressing on.
Theatre by theatre you'd have to say I won the SRA in this game, but Raver has won China (the early game ensures he's going to win the late game) and he's won Burma. Solomons and PNG hangs in the balance . . .
With dancing Bananas and Storm Troopers who needs BBs?
RE: Rangoon dies
I thought the bluff at Java soured the SRA a little for you Luskan you won it but were not able to exploit that win due to that bluff.
RE: Rangoon dies
Yeah I have to agree that my bluff worked well in Java, it really slowed Luskan down, if he had of reconned by fire he would have seen that. Actualy Luskan's subs are giving me a hard time in the Coral Sea. I am going to have to step-up my ASW in this area.
IMHO China is far from won, I control everything west of the rail links but only because Luskan chooses not to venture that far west. The Chinese armies are a long way short of being ready to launch offensive operations. However, I have been boyed with the successes of the B-25 groups in Burma and am really thinking about deploying them to China to course some mayhem. I'm sure that idea will impress the bannanananana boy[:D] There are some really juicy targets in China that are begging to be bombed. But it is all a question of supply. These large 200+ air raids look impressive and course truck load of damage, but they eat up supplys at a alarming rate[:(].
The battle for PNG is all but won, well cetainly in the eastern half of the Island, it is just a question of getting more Eng units in to exploit the gains that I have made. (The allies are still deperately short of eng and support units, I have enough inf to fight the war but little in the way of base units to support a war on a wide front).
The Solomans is in the balance, but if my LRB from PM can keep Rabal's airfields shut down (or simply to dangerous to use) than I can win this one, even with Luskan still in full control of the seas. I was lucky and got the troops in first to Lugna.....but Luskan is carrying out a vey successful harrasment with the Tokyo express out of Rabal, the last one which had 3 BBs no less ! Until I get henderson field up and running I can't station and counter force there, so as in real life, the troops are somewhat pissed at the navy.
AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 08/13/42
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Sub attack at 53,92
Japanese Ships
SS RO-65, hits 3, on fire, heavy damage
Allied Ships
AP Wharton, Torpedo hits 1, on fire
MSW Launceton
MSW Echuca
MSW Cessnock
DD Ward
DD Schley
AP President Monroe
AP Crescent City
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Sub attack at 52,93
Japanese Ships
SS RO-33
Allied Ships
AP Wharton, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
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ASW attack at 52,94
Japanese Ships
SS I-156
Allied Ships
AP President Monroe
AP Zeilin
AP Crescent City
MSW Launceton
MSW Echuca
MSW Cessnock
DD Ward
DD Schley
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Day Air attack on 26th Division, at 45,25
Allied aircraft
I-16c x 21
SB-2c x 19
Allied aircraft losses
SB-2c: 2 damaged
Japanese ground losses:
66 casualties reported
Guns lost 4
Aircraft Attacking:
4 x SB-2c bombing at 6000 feet
9 x SB-2c bombing at 6000 feet
3 x SB-2c bombing at 6000 feet
3 x SB-2c bombing at 6000 feet
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ASW attack at 52,94
Japanese Ships
SS I-156
Allied Ships
AP President Hayes
MSW Launceton
MSW Echuca
MSW Cessnock
DD Ward
DD Schley
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Naval bombardment of Lunga, at 67,97
Japanese Ships
DD Chidori
DD Fuyo
DD Asagao
DD Yunagi
DD Asanagi
DD Matsukaze
DD Ikazuchi
DD Naganami
DD Makigumo
CL Kuma
CL Abukuma
CL Kashima
CA Mogami
CA Ashigara
CA Maya
CA Chikuma
CA Tone
BB Ise
BB Kirishima
BB Hiei
Allied ground losses:
222 casualties reported[:@] This bloody hurts !
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ASW attack at 52,94
Japanese Ships
SS I-156
Allied Ships
MSW Launceton
MSW Echuca
MSW Cessnock
DD Ward
DD Schley
IMHO China is far from won, I control everything west of the rail links but only because Luskan chooses not to venture that far west. The Chinese armies are a long way short of being ready to launch offensive operations. However, I have been boyed with the successes of the B-25 groups in Burma and am really thinking about deploying them to China to course some mayhem. I'm sure that idea will impress the bannanananana boy[:D] There are some really juicy targets in China that are begging to be bombed. But it is all a question of supply. These large 200+ air raids look impressive and course truck load of damage, but they eat up supplys at a alarming rate[:(].
The battle for PNG is all but won, well cetainly in the eastern half of the Island, it is just a question of getting more Eng units in to exploit the gains that I have made. (The allies are still deperately short of eng and support units, I have enough inf to fight the war but little in the way of base units to support a war on a wide front).
The Solomans is in the balance, but if my LRB from PM can keep Rabal's airfields shut down (or simply to dangerous to use) than I can win this one, even with Luskan still in full control of the seas. I was lucky and got the troops in first to Lugna.....but Luskan is carrying out a vey successful harrasment with the Tokyo express out of Rabal, the last one which had 3 BBs no less ! Until I get henderson field up and running I can't station and counter force there, so as in real life, the troops are somewhat pissed at the navy.
AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 08/13/42
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Sub attack at 53,92
Japanese Ships
SS RO-65, hits 3, on fire, heavy damage
Allied Ships
AP Wharton, Torpedo hits 1, on fire
MSW Launceton
MSW Echuca
MSW Cessnock
DD Ward
DD Schley
AP President Monroe
AP Crescent City
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Sub attack at 52,93
Japanese Ships
SS RO-33
Allied Ships
AP Wharton, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
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ASW attack at 52,94
Japanese Ships
SS I-156
Allied Ships
AP President Monroe
AP Zeilin
AP Crescent City
MSW Launceton
MSW Echuca
MSW Cessnock
DD Ward
DD Schley
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Day Air attack on 26th Division, at 45,25
Allied aircraft
I-16c x 21
SB-2c x 19
Allied aircraft losses
SB-2c: 2 damaged
Japanese ground losses:
66 casualties reported
Guns lost 4
Aircraft Attacking:
4 x SB-2c bombing at 6000 feet
9 x SB-2c bombing at 6000 feet
3 x SB-2c bombing at 6000 feet
3 x SB-2c bombing at 6000 feet
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ASW attack at 52,94
Japanese Ships
SS I-156
Allied Ships
AP President Hayes
MSW Launceton
MSW Echuca
MSW Cessnock
DD Ward
DD Schley
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Naval bombardment of Lunga, at 67,97
Japanese Ships
DD Chidori
DD Fuyo
DD Asagao
DD Yunagi
DD Asanagi
DD Matsukaze
DD Ikazuchi
DD Naganami
DD Makigumo
CL Kuma
CL Abukuma
CL Kashima
CA Mogami
CA Ashigara
CA Maya
CA Chikuma
CA Tone
BB Ise
BB Kirishima
BB Hiei
Allied ground losses:
222 casualties reported[:@] This bloody hurts !
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ASW attack at 52,94
Japanese Ships
SS I-156
Allied Ships
MSW Launceton
MSW Echuca
MSW Cessnock
DD Ward
DD Schley
Never argue with an idiot, he will only drag you down to his level and beat you with experience.
RE: Rangoon dies
This bloody AP Wharton just won't sink!~2 sunk subs and 1 damaged to damage 1 ap and hopefully push that bloody Wharton under the waves. Not a really fair trade off lets be honest. I guess things are going to stay that way for my ASW fight.
AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 08/14/42
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ASW attack at 51,95
Japanese Ships
SS I-156, hits 9, on fire, heavy damage
Allied Ships
MSW Launceton
MSW Echuca
MSW Cessnock
DD Ward
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ASW attack at 49,100
Japanese Ships
SS RO-62, hits 4, on fire, heavy damage
Allied Ships
DD Litchfield
DD Allen
DD Alwin
PG Yarra
PG Swan
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Sub attack at 49,100
Japanese Ships
SS RO-68, hits 2, on fire
Allied Ships
AP President Monroe, Torpedo hits 1, on fire
AP President Adams
AP President Hayes
AP Crescent City
MSW Launceton
MSW Echuca
MSW Cessnock
DD Ward
DD Schley
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Sub attack at 51,95
Japanese Ships
SS RO-33
Allied Ships
AP Wharton, Shell hits 3, heavy damage
AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 08/14/42
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ASW attack at 51,95
Japanese Ships
SS I-156, hits 9, on fire, heavy damage
Allied Ships
MSW Launceton
MSW Echuca
MSW Cessnock
DD Ward
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ASW attack at 49,100
Japanese Ships
SS RO-62, hits 4, on fire, heavy damage
Allied Ships
DD Litchfield
DD Allen
DD Alwin
PG Yarra
PG Swan
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Sub attack at 49,100
Japanese Ships
SS RO-68, hits 2, on fire
Allied Ships
AP President Monroe, Torpedo hits 1, on fire
AP President Adams
AP President Hayes
AP Crescent City
MSW Launceton
MSW Echuca
MSW Cessnock
DD Ward
DD Schley
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Sub attack at 51,95
Japanese Ships
SS RO-33
Allied Ships
AP Wharton, Shell hits 3, heavy damage
With dancing Bananas and Storm Troopers who needs BBs?
RE: Rangoon dies
News Flash ! One of Luskan's CVs hits a mine ! Wooo Hooo ! Now for the bad news....he reports little or no damage and his CV are now on the loose heading for the Coral Sea....................time to order my ships to scatter and run !
AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 08/16/42
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TF 64 encounters mine field at 24530592,61
Japanese Ships
CV Kaga, Mine hits 1, on fire I bet he wet his pants watching the CR
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Sub attack at 50,98
Japanese Ships
SS I-29
Allied Ships
TK Empire Silver, Torpedo hits 1, on fire
TK Cathwood
MSW Penguin
DD Le Triomphant
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Sub attack at 50,98
Japanese Ships
SS I-29
Allied Ships
AP Wharton, Shell hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
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Day Air attack on Tavoy , at 28,37
Japanese aircraft
no flights
Allied aircraft
B-24D Liberator x 42
Japanese aircraft losses
G4M1 Betty: 1 destroyed
Allied aircraft losses
B-24D Liberator: 3 damaged
Airbase hits 1
Runway hits 4
Aircraft Attacking:
36 x B-24D Liberator bombing at 10000 feet
6 x B-24D Liberator bombing at 10000 feet
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Day Air attack on 26th Division, at 45,25
Allied aircraft
I-16c x 3
SB-2c x 9
Allied aircraft losses
SB-2c: 2 destroyed
Japanese ground losses:
15 casualties reported
Guns lost 1
Aircraft Attacking:
5 x SB-2c bombing at 6000 feet
3 x SB-2c bombing at 6000 feet
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Sub attack at 59,45
Japanese Ships
TK San Clemente Maru
Allied Ships
SS Growler
AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 08/16/42
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TF 64 encounters mine field at 24530592,61
Japanese Ships
CV Kaga, Mine hits 1, on fire I bet he wet his pants watching the CR
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Sub attack at 50,98
Japanese Ships
SS I-29
Allied Ships
TK Empire Silver, Torpedo hits 1, on fire
TK Cathwood
MSW Penguin
DD Le Triomphant
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Sub attack at 50,98
Japanese Ships
SS I-29
Allied Ships
AP Wharton, Shell hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
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Day Air attack on Tavoy , at 28,37
Japanese aircraft
no flights
Allied aircraft
B-24D Liberator x 42
Japanese aircraft losses
G4M1 Betty: 1 destroyed
Allied aircraft losses
B-24D Liberator: 3 damaged
Airbase hits 1
Runway hits 4
Aircraft Attacking:
36 x B-24D Liberator bombing at 10000 feet
6 x B-24D Liberator bombing at 10000 feet
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Day Air attack on 26th Division, at 45,25
Allied aircraft
I-16c x 3
SB-2c x 9
Allied aircraft losses
SB-2c: 2 destroyed
Japanese ground losses:
15 casualties reported
Guns lost 1
Aircraft Attacking:
5 x SB-2c bombing at 6000 feet
3 x SB-2c bombing at 6000 feet
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Sub attack at 59,45
Japanese Ships
TK San Clemente Maru
Allied Ships
SS Growler
Never argue with an idiot, he will only drag you down to his level and beat you with experience.
RE: Rangoon dies
Lets just say I got SOoooo Lucky that I am never ever tempting the fates again. Ever again.
Gives you an idea of how thick the bloody mines are in that particular spot of ocean.
Gives you an idea of how thick the bloody mines are in that particular spot of ocean.
With dancing Bananas and Storm Troopers who needs BBs?
RE: Rangoon dies
My confidence has risen with regard to China.
A few turns ago my elite zeros beat up 260 of Raver's b17s over rabaul and shot down ten. Not bad. Although a little underwhelming if you're the allied player.
Wharton sank. Finally.
Then last turn I get lucky by hitting a mine and having 2 points of fire damage and about 3 extra sys damage points tacked onto Kaga. That would have really stung if it had gone badly.
Then last turn and this turn I launched some carpet bombing of my own - against the heart of industrial china. You'll remember my not so briliant Sally pilots bruised the resource production at one of those chinese cities down from 250 to about 200? Months ago? It is still down 43 points - and I haven't bombed it since - and my bombers (on airfield attack) have put in some good moves to his supply dumps on the airbases 2 turns running. A bit of Raver's own medicine back at him. This leads me to 2 excellent conclusions.
1. Raver doesn't have the eng units to repair damage to his resource base. This is excellent news as it means I can take out his chinese industry and not have to worry about him rebuilding it.
2. Raver doesn't have the tens of thousands of surplus supply points required to be able to repair resources damage. This lack of surlus resources was always going to be there - China can't support that number of troops - and Raver's got a colossal number of them since he barely lost ANY.
So, my sallies, now trained up a fair bit, are going to work over his cities and strain Indian supply of China even further.
A few turns ago my elite zeros beat up 260 of Raver's b17s over rabaul and shot down ten. Not bad. Although a little underwhelming if you're the allied player.
Wharton sank. Finally.
Then last turn I get lucky by hitting a mine and having 2 points of fire damage and about 3 extra sys damage points tacked onto Kaga. That would have really stung if it had gone badly.
Then last turn and this turn I launched some carpet bombing of my own - against the heart of industrial china. You'll remember my not so briliant Sally pilots bruised the resource production at one of those chinese cities down from 250 to about 200? Months ago? It is still down 43 points - and I haven't bombed it since - and my bombers (on airfield attack) have put in some good moves to his supply dumps on the airbases 2 turns running. A bit of Raver's own medicine back at him. This leads me to 2 excellent conclusions.
1. Raver doesn't have the eng units to repair damage to his resource base. This is excellent news as it means I can take out his chinese industry and not have to worry about him rebuilding it.
2. Raver doesn't have the tens of thousands of surplus supply points required to be able to repair resources damage. This lack of surlus resources was always going to be there - China can't support that number of troops - and Raver's got a colossal number of them since he barely lost ANY.
So, my sallies, now trained up a fair bit, are going to work over his cities and strain Indian supply of China even further.
With dancing Bananas and Storm Troopers who needs BBs?
RE: Rangoon dies
Surely Raver will just counter with a few Sqns of spits or hurricanes and use them to protect his resource base.
An opponent tried to do this to me and I just moved a marine corsair sqn to chungking and that quickly changed his attempts at that especially as we were doing three day turns and the Spits and Corsairs chewed em up before he could change the orders.
(On the other side I send every Wellington in India from Chandpur to bomb rangoon with fighter cover at Andaman and Akyab both fighter strips got clouded over and for three days my Wellingtons went in unsuported I lost 130 Wellington bombers in 3 days because of that little screw up)
God I hate 3 day turns...
Ooops got a little off topic
An opponent tried to do this to me and I just moved a marine corsair sqn to chungking and that quickly changed his attempts at that especially as we were doing three day turns and the Spits and Corsairs chewed em up before he could change the orders.
(On the other side I send every Wellington in India from Chandpur to bomb rangoon with fighter cover at Andaman and Akyab both fighter strips got clouded over and for three days my Wellingtons went in unsuported I lost 130 Wellington bombers in 3 days because of that little screw up)
God I hate 3 day turns...
Ooops got a little off topic
RE: Rangoon dies
Well this turn Raver's CVs were sighter NORTH OF THE SOLOMONS AND RABAUL!!
Looks like they're on their way to Truk, looking to see if they can't find CV division 4. I'm a bit shaky on the exact numbers of CVs, but Raver is playing in death star mode, so I'm betting all of them. Allied surface combat units have appeared north of Gili Gili as well.
My CV divisions are still a little spread out. I may give the order to condense, although a battle in 1942 between his allied CVs and the legions of betties and zeros i've got at my island bases will only end one way.
There will have to be a CV battle, but I'm not going to commit 2.5 jap cvs to battle a foe that could be any size.
Looks like they're on their way to Truk, looking to see if they can't find CV division 4. I'm a bit shaky on the exact numbers of CVs, but Raver is playing in death star mode, so I'm betting all of them. Allied surface combat units have appeared north of Gili Gili as well.
My CV divisions are still a little spread out. I may give the order to condense, although a battle in 1942 between his allied CVs and the legions of betties and zeros i've got at my island bases will only end one way.
There will have to be a CV battle, but I'm not going to commit 2.5 jap cvs to battle a foe that could be any size.
With dancing Bananas and Storm Troopers who needs BBs?
Pearl Harbour revenge
Well I DID have a big report typed out about the last turn, but it got lost[:@] So I'll just post the AAR[:D]
Never argue with an idiot, he will only drag you down to his level and beat you with experience.
RE: Pearl Harbour revenge
Hmmm....try again.
AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 08/19/42
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ASW attack at 68,98
Japanese Ships
SS I-11
Allied Ships
DMS Wasmuth
DMS Chandler
DMS Dorsey
DD Hatfield
DD Lawrence
APD Little
DD Waters
DD Parrott
DD Monaghan
DD Worden
DD Clark
DD Cassin
DD Tucker
DD Reid
DD Preston
DD Conyngham
DD Lamson
DD Henley
DD Morris
DD O'Brien
DD Hammann
DD Anderson
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Day Air attack on Kunming , at 39,33
Japanese aircraft
Ki-21 Sally x 92
Allied aircraft
I-153c x 6
I-16c x 7
Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21 Sally: 14 damaged
Resources hits 18
Aircraft Attacking:
20 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 7000 feet
25 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 7000 feet
15 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 7000 feet
10 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 7000 feet
9 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 7000 feet
4 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 7000 feet
9 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 7000 feet
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Day Air attack on Rabaul , at 61,88
Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 5
Allied aircraft
F-5A Lightning x 9
B-17E Fortress x 219
Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 8 destroyed, 1 damaged
E13A1 Jake: 2 destroyed, 2 damaged
H8K Emily: 1 destroyed, 2 damaged
Allied aircraft losses
B-17E Fortress: 9 damaged
Japanese ground losses:
723 casualties reported
Guns lost 16
Airbase hits 13
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 146
Aircraft Attacking:
12 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 25000 feet
4 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 25000 feet
15 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 25000 feet
16 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 25000 feet
21 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 25000 feet
8 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 25000 feet
3 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 25000 feet
4 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 25000 feet
6 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 25000 feet
3 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 25000 feet
9 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 25000 feet
6 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 25000 feet
3 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 25000 feet
6 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 25000 feet
3 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 25000 feet
4 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 25000 feet
6 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 25000 feet
6 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 25000 feet
6 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 25000 feet
3 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 25000 feet
2 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 25000 feet
3 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 25000 feet
4 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 25000 feet
7 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 25000 feet
3 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 25000 feet
3 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 25000 feet
3 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 25000 feet
3 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 25000 feet
3 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 25000 feet
3 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 25000 feet
3 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 25000 feet
3 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 25000 feet
3 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 25000 feet
3 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 25000 feet
3 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 25000 feet
3 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 25000 feet
3 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 25000 feet
3 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 25000 feet
3 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 25000 feet
2 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 25000 feet
3 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 25000 feet
3 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 25000 feet
3 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 25000 feet
3 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 25000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 60,88
Allied aircraft
SBD Dauntless x 31
TBF Avenger x 15
Allied aircraft losses
SBD Dauntless: 4 damaged
TBF Avenger: 8 damaged
Japanese Ships
DD Amagiri
DD Urakaze
DD Minekaze, Bomb hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
DD Hamakaze
DD Hayate
DD Tanikaze, Bomb hits 2, on fire
DD Inazuma
Aircraft Attacking:
7 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
3 x TBF Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
6 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
9 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
4 x TBF Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x TBF Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x TBF Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
9 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 60,88
Allied aircraft
SBD Dauntless x 14
TBF Avenger x 12
Allied aircraft losses
TBF Avenger: 2 destroyed, 8 damaged
Japanese Ships
DD Hayate
DD Amagiri, Bomb hits 4, on fire, heavy damage
DD Arare
DD Akigumo
Aircraft Attacking:
5 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
3 x TBF Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
9 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
4 x TBF Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x TBF Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
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Day Air attack on TF, near Rabaul at 61,88
Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 3
Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 103
SBD Dauntless x 154
TBF Avenger x 60
Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 5 destroyed
Allied aircraft losses
SBD Dauntless: 2 destroyed, 25 damaged
TBF Avenger: 4 destroyed, 15 damaged
Japanese Ships
BB Kirishima, Bomb hits 21, Torpedo hits 4, on fire, heavy damage
BB Hiei, Bomb hits 16, Torpedo hits 5, on fire, heavy damage
CL Kashima, Bomb hits 3, on fire, heavy damage
BB Ise, Bomb hits 15, Torpedo hits 2, on fire
CA Tone, Bomb hits 1
CA Maya, Bomb hits 1
CA Ashigara
Aircraft Attacking:
8 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
8 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
3 x TBF Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
8 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
9 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
3 x TBF Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
8 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
7 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
3 x TBF Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
8 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
8 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
3 x TBF Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
8 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
9 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
9 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
3 x TBF Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x TBF Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x TBF Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
9 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
9 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
4 x TBF Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x TBF Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x TBF Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
9 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
9 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
4 x TBF Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x TBF Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x TBF Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
9 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
9 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
4 x TBF Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
3 x TBF Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x TBF Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
9 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF, near Rabaul at 61,88
Allied aircraft
SBD Dauntless x 123
TBF Avenger x 45
Allied aircraft losses
SBD Dauntless: 7 damaged
TBF Avenger: 2 destroyed
Japanese Ships
BB Kirishima, Bomb hits 4, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
BB Ise, Bomb hits 9, Torpedo hits 4, on fire, heavy damage
DD Asanagi, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
BB Hiei, Bomb hits 4, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
DD Yunagi
CL Abukuma, Bomb hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
Aircraft Attacking:
1 x TBF Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
6 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
4 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
3 x TBF Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
3 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
9 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
2 x TBF Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
6 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
4 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
3 x TBF Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
3 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
9 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
4 x TBF Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
3 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
3 x TBF Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x TBF Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
9 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
9 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
4 x TBF Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x TBF Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
9 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
4 x TBF Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x TBF Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
9 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
9 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
4 x TBF Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
9 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
4 x TBF Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
9 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
9 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 60,88
Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 101
SBD Dauntless x 11
No Allied losses
Japanese Ships
DD Minekaze, on fire, heavy damage
Aircraft Attacking:
2 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
9 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF, near Rabaul at 61,88
Allied aircraft
SBD Dauntless x 5
No Allied losses
Japanese Ships
MSW Tokuho Maru #5, Bomb hits 3, on fire, heavy damage
Aircraft Attacking:
5 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 08/19/42
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ASW attack at 68,98
Japanese Ships
SS I-11
Allied Ships
DMS Wasmuth
DMS Chandler
DMS Dorsey
DD Hatfield
DD Lawrence
APD Little
DD Waters
DD Parrott
DD Monaghan
DD Worden
DD Clark
DD Cassin
DD Tucker
DD Reid
DD Preston
DD Conyngham
DD Lamson
DD Henley
DD Morris
DD O'Brien
DD Hammann
DD Anderson
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Day Air attack on Kunming , at 39,33
Japanese aircraft
Ki-21 Sally x 92
Allied aircraft
I-153c x 6
I-16c x 7
Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21 Sally: 14 damaged
Resources hits 18
Aircraft Attacking:
20 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 7000 feet
25 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 7000 feet
15 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 7000 feet
10 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 7000 feet
9 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 7000 feet
4 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 7000 feet
9 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 7000 feet
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Day Air attack on Rabaul , at 61,88
Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 5
Allied aircraft
F-5A Lightning x 9
B-17E Fortress x 219
Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 8 destroyed, 1 damaged
E13A1 Jake: 2 destroyed, 2 damaged
H8K Emily: 1 destroyed, 2 damaged
Allied aircraft losses
B-17E Fortress: 9 damaged
Japanese ground losses:
723 casualties reported
Guns lost 16
Airbase hits 13
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 146
Aircraft Attacking:
12 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 25000 feet
4 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 25000 feet
15 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 25000 feet
16 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 25000 feet
21 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 25000 feet
8 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 25000 feet
3 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 25000 feet
4 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 25000 feet
6 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 25000 feet
3 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 25000 feet
9 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 25000 feet
6 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 25000 feet
3 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 25000 feet
6 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 25000 feet
3 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 25000 feet
4 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 25000 feet
6 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 25000 feet
6 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 25000 feet
6 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 25000 feet
3 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 25000 feet
2 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 25000 feet
3 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 25000 feet
4 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 25000 feet
7 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 25000 feet
3 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 25000 feet
3 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 25000 feet
3 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 25000 feet
3 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 25000 feet
3 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 25000 feet
3 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 25000 feet
3 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 25000 feet
3 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 25000 feet
3 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 25000 feet
3 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 25000 feet
3 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 25000 feet
3 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 25000 feet
3 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 25000 feet
3 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 25000 feet
3 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 25000 feet
2 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 25000 feet
3 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 25000 feet
3 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 25000 feet
3 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 25000 feet
3 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 25000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 60,88
Allied aircraft
SBD Dauntless x 31
TBF Avenger x 15
Allied aircraft losses
SBD Dauntless: 4 damaged
TBF Avenger: 8 damaged
Japanese Ships
DD Amagiri
DD Urakaze
DD Minekaze, Bomb hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
DD Hamakaze
DD Hayate
DD Tanikaze, Bomb hits 2, on fire
DD Inazuma
Aircraft Attacking:
7 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
3 x TBF Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
6 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
9 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
4 x TBF Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x TBF Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x TBF Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
9 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 60,88
Allied aircraft
SBD Dauntless x 14
TBF Avenger x 12
Allied aircraft losses
TBF Avenger: 2 destroyed, 8 damaged
Japanese Ships
DD Hayate
DD Amagiri, Bomb hits 4, on fire, heavy damage
DD Arare
DD Akigumo
Aircraft Attacking:
5 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
3 x TBF Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
9 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
4 x TBF Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x TBF Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
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Day Air attack on TF, near Rabaul at 61,88
Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 3
Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 103
SBD Dauntless x 154
TBF Avenger x 60
Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 5 destroyed
Allied aircraft losses
SBD Dauntless: 2 destroyed, 25 damaged
TBF Avenger: 4 destroyed, 15 damaged
Japanese Ships
BB Kirishima, Bomb hits 21, Torpedo hits 4, on fire, heavy damage
BB Hiei, Bomb hits 16, Torpedo hits 5, on fire, heavy damage
CL Kashima, Bomb hits 3, on fire, heavy damage
BB Ise, Bomb hits 15, Torpedo hits 2, on fire
CA Tone, Bomb hits 1
CA Maya, Bomb hits 1
CA Ashigara
Aircraft Attacking:
8 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
8 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
3 x TBF Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
8 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
9 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
3 x TBF Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
8 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
7 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
3 x TBF Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
8 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
8 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
3 x TBF Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
8 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
9 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
9 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
3 x TBF Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x TBF Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x TBF Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
9 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
9 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
4 x TBF Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x TBF Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x TBF Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
9 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
9 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
4 x TBF Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x TBF Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x TBF Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
9 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
9 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
4 x TBF Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
3 x TBF Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x TBF Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
9 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF, near Rabaul at 61,88
Allied aircraft
SBD Dauntless x 123
TBF Avenger x 45
Allied aircraft losses
SBD Dauntless: 7 damaged
TBF Avenger: 2 destroyed
Japanese Ships
BB Kirishima, Bomb hits 4, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
BB Ise, Bomb hits 9, Torpedo hits 4, on fire, heavy damage
DD Asanagi, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
BB Hiei, Bomb hits 4, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
DD Yunagi
CL Abukuma, Bomb hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
Aircraft Attacking:
1 x TBF Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
6 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
4 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
3 x TBF Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
3 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
9 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
2 x TBF Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
6 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
4 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
3 x TBF Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
3 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
9 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
4 x TBF Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
3 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
3 x TBF Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x TBF Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
9 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
9 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
4 x TBF Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x TBF Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
9 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
4 x TBF Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x TBF Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
9 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
9 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
4 x TBF Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
9 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
4 x TBF Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
9 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
9 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 60,88
Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 101
SBD Dauntless x 11
No Allied losses
Japanese Ships
DD Minekaze, on fire, heavy damage
Aircraft Attacking:
2 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
9 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF, near Rabaul at 61,88
Allied aircraft
SBD Dauntless x 5
No Allied losses
Japanese Ships
MSW Tokuho Maru #5, Bomb hits 3, on fire, heavy damage
Aircraft Attacking:
5 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
Never argue with an idiot, he will only drag you down to his level and beat you with experience.
RE: Pearl Harbour revenge
Well, Kirishima has had it - forgot to get her to return to Rabaul - and she's now mid ocean (what an idiot that captain is) with 99, 98, 15 two turns later. This is what I get for not paying attention (although if she'd been disbanded at Rabaul she'd be b17ed to death anyways).
Raver's CV op was smooth. He didn't know I had spotted him several turns in a row prior to it - and didn't take the bait and the careful trap i'd set for him. Instead, he withdrew his CVs south past Rabaul, did some nasty work on the way (biggest ship of mine he's sunk so far is 1 CA) to my precious DDs, of which I don't have many, and escaped south scott free, with a bit of experience under his belt.
Nagumo was PISSED about this.
Raver also bombarded Attu and caused a bit of damage up there. reinforcements are on the way (base force, CD unit, small inf units to continue aleutians campaign) but it really is just a side show. I can't afford to send 2 BBs up there like Raver can.
Raver's CV op was smooth. He didn't know I had spotted him several turns in a row prior to it - and didn't take the bait and the careful trap i'd set for him. Instead, he withdrew his CVs south past Rabaul, did some nasty work on the way (biggest ship of mine he's sunk so far is 1 CA) to my precious DDs, of which I don't have many, and escaped south scott free, with a bit of experience under his belt.
Nagumo was PISSED about this.
Raver also bombarded Attu and caused a bit of damage up there. reinforcements are on the way (base force, CD unit, small inf units to continue aleutians campaign) but it really is just a side show. I can't afford to send 2 BBs up there like Raver can.
With dancing Bananas and Storm Troopers who needs BBs?
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AmiralLaurent
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RE: Pearl Harbour revenge
On a side note, saw that your afternoon raid against Rabaul went unescorted while all Wildcats escorted 11 SBD searching a sunk DD. This kind of mission can decimate your CV airmen and is completly stupid.
I agree that sometimes fighters may get lost, formations may lost cohesion but I strongly doubt it is the case here.
Fighters units (and part of it) should try to escort every raid and then each unit should have a chance to lose the formation. Right now, WITP often didn't escort the biggest raid to the biggest enemy port, where fighters are probably waiting for easy kills....
I agree that sometimes fighters may get lost, formations may lost cohesion but I strongly doubt it is the case here.
Fighters units (and part of it) should try to escort every raid and then each unit should have a chance to lose the formation. Right now, WITP often didn't escort the biggest raid to the biggest enemy port, where fighters are probably waiting for easy kills....
RE: Pearl Harbour revenge
Great AAR! Do you fellas have a grand total figure of losses for each side?
1) Total aircraft, breakdown of fighters, bombers etc would be nice but just the total if not available
2) All major combat ships sunk, from DDs up...
thanks, keep up the good work!
1) Total aircraft, breakdown of fighters, bombers etc would be nice but just the total if not available
2) All major combat ships sunk, from DDs up...
thanks, keep up the good work!
RE: Pearl Harbour revenge
ORIGINAL: AmiralLaurent
On a side note, saw that your afternoon raid against Rabaul went unescorted while all Wildcats escorted 11 SBD searching a sunk DD. This kind of mission can decimate your CV airmen and is completly stupid.
I agree that sometimes fighters may get lost, formations may lost cohesion but I strongly doubt it is the case here.
Fighters units (and part of it) should try to escort every raid and then each unit should have a chance to lose the formation. Right now, WITP often didn't escort the biggest raid to the biggest enemy port, where fighters are probably waiting for easy kills....
I've seen this before and am not too worried about it......SBDs and TBDs will fly alone IF there is not any enemy fighters.
Never argue with an idiot, he will only drag you down to his level and beat you with experience.
RE: Pearl Harbour revenge
Here are the figures for the Major ships assets lost:-
Allies IJN
CV - 0 0
CVL - 1 0
CVE - 0 0
BB - 5 3
CA - 2 1
CL - 2 3
CLAA 3 0
DD - 35 25
SS - 19 50
AP - 18 6
AK - 73 11
TK - 4 9
Allies IJN
CV - 0 0
CVL - 1 0
CVE - 0 0
BB - 5 3
CA - 2 1
CL - 2 3
CLAA 3 0
DD - 35 25
SS - 19 50
AP - 18 6
AK - 73 11
TK - 4 9
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AmiralLaurent
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RE: Pearl Harbour revenge
ORIGINAL: Raverdave
ORIGINAL: AmiralLaurent
On a side note, saw that your afternoon raid against Rabaul went unescorted while all Wildcats escorted 11 SBD searching a sunk DD. This kind of mission can decimate your CV airmen and is completly stupid.
I agree that sometimes fighters may get lost, formations may lost cohesion but I strongly doubt it is the case here.
Fighters units (and part of it) should try to escort every raid and then each unit should have a chance to lose the formation. Right now, WITP often didn't escort the biggest raid to the biggest enemy port, where fighters are probably waiting for easy kills....
I've seen this before and am not too worried about it......SBDs and TBDs will fly alone IF there is not any enemy fighters.
Disagree entirely. Outside the fact that there are no fighters either over the TF all your WIldcats decide to fly over, I just saw a PBEM turn (v1.4) where my Zeroes did the same while 150 Vals and Kates attacked a US TF off PH on 9th Dec 1941. Opposition was slight (2 P-36A, 2 P-26 and 8 P-40B) but I still lost 15 planes to CAP, including 9 shot down by the same P-36 pilot... Had any of my 6 Zero units escorted this raid (sent in two waves) rather than 12 Vals bombing some DMS S of PH, score would have been more even.
I have no problems with small raids (one or two units) losing their escort and being slaugthered by CAP but seeing ten or twelve Val and Kates units attacking without any fighter is a big problem... especially as these high morale units will never turn back.
RE: Pearl Harbour revenge
Fair enough, but it has yet to have an impact on me.............I'll keep an eye open.
Never argue with an idiot, he will only drag you down to his level and beat you with experience.