What is your favorite WWII tank?

[sprior]

ORIGINAL: EUBanana

It's because they didn't /need/ a bigger and better tank, that they didn't make one.  As Sven says, if you need 40 widgets to make a Panther and 5 widgets to make a Sherman, you're better off making Shermans.

Or, as Stalin said, "Quantity has a quality all of its own."

[bradfordkay]

Since the thread title is "what is your favorite ww2 tank" I have to go with the m24 Chafee. Personally, I've always identified more closely with the quick movers than the heavy hitters...

[tc237]

This thread is more like "what do you consider the best tank" not "favorite". Unless you have actually served on one of these tanks how can it be a favorite? Maybe it should be "which tank looks cooler?"
Not trying to be a smartass, I guess I'm just being to literal.
 
 

[morvwilson]

Hey tc237, if I asked what your favorite tank is regardless of time period, I think I know what you would pict by the picture on your post. So, which tank from WWII do you like?
French B1 bis
German PZKWIVf2
British Matilda II
or something no one else has mentioned?
Just have fun with it and don't take it too seriously[8D]

[Ursa MAior]

.50Kerry
The thread's title is "fav tank", yours is the Sherman. Period. Mine is the Panther. Period.

What irritates me beyond limits is the way some people (incl you) think. "If you are not with us, then you are aginst us." This was the slogan of the commie leader Janos Kadar in Hungary so I am overly sensitive to this way of thinking.

I am not a US basher. I listen to country right now, IMO Firefly is the best TV-show ever made, etc. but I preserve my right to think out of the box. The world is NOT black and white! I dont support EVERYTHING that the US does, but that does not mean that I hate everything it does!. Comprende?

This 'train of thoughts' did, does, will cause more damage to the reputation of the US than 3.210.540.540.406.450 Invasions of Iraq/Iran/North Korea whatever.

Read this and think what was your part in it.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/6288933.stm

Your country is much stronger than anybody, but much weaker than everybody. When traditional allies as Poland turn away from the US, YOU (not only the politicans) too have to think about how was this possible.

[Marauders]

Prince of Eckmühl

Marauders

The overall best? The T34-85

I never understood why the Germans didn't simply copy the T-34 chassis, engine, and drive train, throw on their own turret, weapons system AND A RADIO, and gone with that. It couldn't have taken any longer to arrange than the development of the "uber" vehicles, and the Russian turreted designs were cheaper and easier to construct than those of the Germans. National pride, AFV as symbol of Aryan superiority, perhaps?

I wonder how well the Daimler-Benz VK 3002 (Panther contender) would have done. It had advantages of the Panther and T34. The Daimler Benz proposal was radical for a German tank, as it closely copied aspects of the T-34 layout with a rear mounted diesel engine, forward turret, all steel roadwheels, and leaf spring suspension.

The Daimler-Benz design was actually chosen by Hitler as the preferred design, and it was ordered into production. Hitler changed his mind after a technical and production review was presented to him in May of 1942, and a preliminary order for 200 Daimler Benz VK 3002 tanks was cancelled. A major concern was the ease of transitioning production to the new tank, and the Daimler Benz design required a completely new turret.

The two prototype VK 3001 (DB) with diesel engines were completed. The artist drawing is a DB VK 3001 Panther - not a T34-85.

[Goblin]

ORIGINAL: tc237

This thread is more like "what do you consider the best tank" not "favorite". Unless you have actually served on one of these tanks how can it be a favorite? Maybe it should be "which tank looks cooler?"
Not trying to be a smartass, I guess I'm just being to literal.

I've never been with a supermodel, but I definately have my favorites... [;)]

I don't believe you have to try something to have a favorite. My favorite planet is Jupiter, but I haven't been there. Favorite, by definition, is something that appeals to a person the most. It can be visual, intellectual, etc.



Goblin

[Doggie]

ORIGINAL: Ursa MAior

This is a candidate for the shortest (and best) answer why people from ROW dont really like americans.

Read this and think what was your part in it.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/6288933.stm

Your country is much stronger than anybody, but much weaker than everybody. When traditional allies as Poland turn away from the US, YOU (not only the politicans) too have to think about how was this possible.

Stuff like this is the reason Americans don't care what you think. What has your left wing opinions got to do with tanks?

You're clearly out of your league here so all you got is "Americans are doo doo heads"[8|]

"Hungary, EU"[8|] Good luck with the fourth reich.

[morvwilson]

ORIGINAL: Ursa MAior

.50Kerry
The thread's title is "fav tank", yours is the Sherman. Period. Mine is the Panther. Period.

What irritates me beyond limits is the way some people (incl you) think. "If you are not with us, then you are aginst us." This was the slogan of the commie leader Janos Kadar in Hungary so I am overly sensitive to this way of thinking.

I am not a US basher. I listen to country right now, IMO Firefly is the best TV-show ever made, etc. but I preserve my right to think out of the box. The world is NOT black and white! I dont support EVERYTHING that the US does, but that does not mean that I hate everything it does!. Comprende?

This 'train of thoughts' did, does, will cause more damage to the reputation of the US than 3.210.540.540.406.450 Invasions of Iraq/Iran/North Korea whatever.

Read this and think what was your part in it.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/6288933.stm

Your country is much stronger than anybody, but much weaker than everybody. When traditional allies as Poland turn away from the US, YOU (not only the politicans) too have to think about how was this possible.

Hey Ursa, something you may want to consider. In a previous conversation we had we established that the press is not on the side of western civilization in the current war. Therefor, I would recommend that you adopt the policy of simply discarding anything in the mainstream press these days as I have done. (I my case they could tell me that the sky was blue and would not believe them, they have been caught in too many lies for my taste!) Life is much less stressful for me that way[8D]

[tc237]

Thanks Goblin,
I got it now... have fun, have fun...

that being said, I don't have a favorite tank, been in one too long,
same with supermodels.

[Ursa MAior]

ORIGINAL: Doggie

Stuff like this is the reason Americans don't care what you think. What has your left wing opinions got to do with tanks?

You're clearly out of your league here so all you got is "Americans are doo doo heads"[8|]

"Hungary, EU"[8|] Good luck with the fourth reich.

It is a good thing that u dont pay attention even when it looks like you do. I was a never a leftist, nor a fan of any reich. I NEVER SAID AMERICANS ARE DOO DOO HEADS. I was critical. Dont you know this expression? You and your likes ALWAYS forget the postives things in any opposing oppinion. I said I listen to country music a lot, I like most of amercian movies etc. But I PRESERVE MY RIGHT to be critical. This 'simple as a stick' way of thinking (Bark with us or perish.) will cause more headache to you than you couild probably imagine.

Why dont you just go back to your steakhouse? Before you and your likes showed up more or less we were able to handle our things in a normal way. Your place is in the dawg house or the steak whatever.

I was I am and will be critical since thinking people dont except things as written in stone (except for religion), even if you bark at me.

[morvwilson]

ORIGINAL: Doggie

ORIGINAL: Ursa MAior

This is a candidate for the shortest (and best) answer why people from ROW dont really like americans.

Read this and think what was your part in it.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/6288933.stm

Your country is much stronger than anybody, but much weaker than everybody. When traditional allies as Poland turn away from the US, YOU (not only the politicans) too have to think about how was this possible.

Stuff like this is the reason Americans don't care what you think. What has your left wing opinions got to do with tanks?

You're clearly out of your league here so all you got is "Americans are doo doo heads"[8|]

"Hungary, EU"[8|] Good luck with the fourth reich.

Hey doggie, there was a book I read some years ago in which it said:

"A man convinced against his will is of the same opinion still."

If your goal is to turn the other guy around to your way of thinking, putting the other guy down will not work.
If I came to joe blow on the street and said to him that he was a left wing pinko then gave the best oration in history about how the sun rose in the east and sets in the west, he would not except the argument. It would not matter how right I was or how wrong he was, because of my clumsy conduct his ego would not allow him to accept any argument I put forth since I had insulted him.

If you want to sway the other guy to your way of thinking, find common ground and then built upon that and don't be afraid to point out when the other guy may have a good point. This will make it easier for the other guy to accept your good points.

Benjamin Franklin once said that if he was right 50% of the time he was doing well. I do not consider myself to be as smart as Ben Franklin.

Now, with that said, what attitude do you think will be more productive in swaying people to your way of thinking?

[Ursa MAior]

You better listen well to what morvwilson says. Doggie.
I am an open person. You can convince me, but bring ARGUMENTS not INSULTS. Given you have tried the latter first you will have a hard tmie doing it, but it's not impossible.

Still I have the feeling you will back down as ALL of those have done before who have bashed me for not being pro-US enough.

[.50Kerry]

ORIGINAL: Ursa MAior

You better listen well to what morvwilson says. Doggie.
I am an open person. You can convince me, but bring ARGUMENTS not INSULTS. Given you have tried the latter first you will have a hard tmie doing it, but it's not impossible.

Still I have the feeling you will back down as ALL of those have done before who have bashed me for not being pro-US enough.

Heh, you put an awful lot of stock in "everyone else" hanging tough and together.

Look we get it it must be tough not being a true world power since the 1800s and watching the smoldering ruins of the power base of your empire back at the dawn of the 20th. We Americans are not a hardhearted bunch, but if you are banking on Ivan, Mao, or Abdul ever buying into the Continental EUtopian idea of "power sharing" you are dreaming.

GW1 and Kosovo taught the US a valuable lesson....

power sharing to Pierre and EUro friends goes something like this:

Lucky Pierre: Hey Sam le Eagle why don't you provide 95% of the logistic lift, 75% of le TacAir, and 90% of le funding and we'll take 50% of le target selection?

now sure the counter to that is "you vant 90% of le decision making and perks but us to take half ze blame"....

there is a lot of bargaining room but EUtopia brooding that our left wing is out of power so they don't want to play is not a good starting bid.

[Doggie]

ORIGINAL: Ursa MAior



Still I have the feeling you will back down as ALL of those have done before who have bashed me for not being pro-US enough.

I don't care whether you're pro U.S. or not. I don't care what you think, and I don't care if you agree with me or not. It's evident from you comments that you're simply a vicious, hatefull little troll, who knows nothing about the subject at hand and resorts to lame name calling when your ingorance becomes apparent. You should be gratefull 50Kerry wastes his time with you.

And aside from a certain Canadian parasite we have all come to know and despise, I have yet to see anyone who is so full of himself for so little reason. Most of "me and my ilk" especially .50Kerry and Rune, have actually worked with the weapons being discussed here, and are able to provide a little more insight on the subject than what some European college boy saw on the history channel.

I am an open person. You can convince me, but bring ARGUMENTS not INSULTS.

How about showing us some arguments then? Anybody with enough un meth addled grey matter to read can see for himself you've brought nothing but insults here.

[.50Kerry]

ORIGINAL: Doggie


Most of "me and my ilk" especially .50Kerry and Rune, have actually worked with the weapons being discussed here, and are able to provide a little more insight on the subject than what some European college boy saw on the history channel.

while flattering and mostly true, I did work with the usual infantry kit and all and Rune is a machine gunner I have decided to relent from that particular tack and be a "goodwill ambassador". I think what Bear Superior is trying to say is that he can be convinced to be an ally for US globalism, and security ops. I don't believe that but am often entertained by seeing just how supine our EUtopian aid expects US to get for their "massive help".

At any rate, any moment now I am certain that Terminus will explain to rune, "no, no it really was a macho G-36" with veracity and facts on his side.

The MG-4 is more like an H&K Minimi than that mess of the Machoized G-36....

the "macho ARs" are wonderful right up until you need to go through two belts or beta c-mags....

[Doggie]

ORIGINAL: .50Kerry

At any rate, any moment now I am certain that Terminus will explain to rune, "no, no it really was a macho G-36" with veracity and facts on his side.

Yeah, I'm holding my breath.

"Veracity and facts" around here seem to consist of "you're a poo poo head. We were having such a swell time discussing what poo poo heads you are until you came along and spoiled our polite, intellectual discussions" Neener neener neener!

[morvwilson]

Hey, Doggie, Kerry this is favorite tank  If a guy likes the Panther, he likes the panther. Gotta admit the tank had nice lines!
If another guy likes the Sherman, he likes the Sherman.
Would you guys condemn a man for prefering chocolat ice cream over vanilla or strawberry?
 
But fine, let's say for arguments sake you two win over ursa, you have soundly defeated the Hungarian student! (and the crowd goes wild[:D])
What have you gained?
 
Ursa is a COLLEGE STUDENT! These institutions (colleges and universities) are not known for their politically conservative outlook. Have you attracted ursa to your way of thinking or driven him off?
 
Life attracts, death repels!
 
 

[Doggie]

Hey Morvwilson, it was about favorite tank until Superior Bear interjected with this:

Well .50 Kerry and Rune. Go look for mdiehl, spence and Demosthenes in the WitP forums. They have the same view of historical events like you. Code word is imperial arrogance. See ya.

followed by

This is a candidate for the shortest (and best) answer why people from ROW dont really like americans.

and

The world is NOT black and white! I dont support EVERYTHING that the US does, but that does not mean that I hate everything it does!. Comprende?

This 'train of thoughts' did, does, will cause more damage to the reputation of the US than 3.210.540.540.406.450 Invasions of Iraq/Iran/North Korea whatever.

Read this and think what was your part in it.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/6288933.stm

Your country is much stronger than anybody, but much weaker than everybody. When traditional allies as Poland turn away from the US, YOU (not only the politicans) too have to think about how was this possible.

You see a pattern emerging here?  Everyone else is talking about tanks, but baby bear objects to all this talk about tanks interupting his lessons on how much Americans suck.

Before you and your likes showed up more or less we were able to handle our things in a normal way. Your place is in the dawg house or the steak whatever.

Never mind the fact that "me and my likes showed up" five years before he did, it seems we're encroaching on the "normal way" of turning every topic into a discussion about how Americans suck, and here the sucky Americans and their sucky British and European allies are interupting his polite discussions about how we all suck with all this nonsense about tanks.

There is absolutely nothing in this world that could attract cubbie to our way of thinking.  That would take a couple of more decades of maturity, and maybe venturing out of his dorm room and into the real world now and again.  As of right now, his world revolves around his belief that Americans suck, and how he has to spread the word that Americans suck, so all his little meth addled pals back in his dorm will think he's cool.

[morvwilson]

So, doggie if you have the maturity you speak of, supply it!
Ursa already expressed a desire to go to a state which allows its citizens to own machine guns. Does that sound like a liberal view point?
Weapons in the hands of the citizenry is anathema to liberals, you should know this!
If Ursa has some mistaken views (which were most likely supplied by the press or university systems) correct them gently. Allow the other guy to save face!