What is your favorite WWII plane?

[Sardonic]

ORIGINAL: mdiehl

I dont recall offering anything more than an opinion. It is unchanged, regardless of your protests. After reading in excess of 100+ of your posts on various forums, there can be only one conclusion. I posted it above.

Chittles, you are not authorized to represent my opinion on anything. I don't give a toot about your opinion, all I am suggesting is that you not attribute your opinions to me.

If you continue, you invite retaliation in kind -- something of the form of "Sardonic truly believes that the world would be better if the Third Reich had won, and he truly believes they would have won if the West had not cheated by sabotaging their special secret program for manufacturing Galaxy Class Starships." The game you are playing is a stupid rhetorical sleight-of-hand that invites nothing but rancor.

If you really want a dirtfight, let's have this conversation in the Saloon so that I can talk to you in the fashion you've earned.

If you want to debate something about WW2 based on actual facts, I'm game. As ever, if anyone really wants to know what I think about anything in particular, all they have to do is to ask me.

The only rancor I see is yours. I didnt post for your approval. I posted to encourage other posters to disagree
with you, and NOT accept your unwarranted assertions. I do not fear retaliation, since all such will be locked
by Matrix. "Actual facts" are not singular, and some of them you wont like at all.
But we have strayed far from the original poster's topic.

Personally I like the Curtis Jenny.

[mdiehl]

My reply to you awaits you in the Saloon, Chittles.

[Dixie]

[8|]

Now, now children.   Play nice....

[hawker]

ORIGINAL: mdiehl

The ME-236 was not entirely fictitious. It was a pen and ink drawing of an up-conceptualized ME-163. So it had about the same development status as Wonder Woman's Invisible Jet.

The Germans also invented a variety of pickled cabbage. Their pickled cabbage and their surface to air missile programs were equally effective at downing US bombers.

Maybe,but still Werner von Brown develop rocket which bring Armstrong to Moon[;)]
He is German scientist you know.

Albert Einstein make atomic bomb possible
He is German scientist you know[;)]

Nikola Tesla,greatest of all,i dont have enough space to describe his inventions.
He is half Croat,half serb[;)]

Dont get me wrong,i have nothing against US,quite opposite,my country will be forever grateful to US and president Clinton which helped us when we was invaded.

But,mdiehl try to look at some facts instead of constantly talk bullshit.
Yet,you are quite normal compare to that pathetic excuse for human and insult for mankind rune iversen

[UndercoverNotChickenSalad]

Oh, m'dealio takes it outside to the saloon [X(]

[mdiehl]

Maybe,but still Werner von Brown develop rocket which bring Armstrong to Moon
He is German scientist you know.

True. It wasn't, however, the rocket that he wanted to build. The Saturn V was designed around the Lunar Orbit Rendezvous concept, which was itself the brainchild of John Houbolt (who was expanding on the idea of a 1920s German scientist named Hermann Oberth).

Albert Einstein make atomic bomb possible. He is German scientist you know.

Debatable how German he was. He left Germany for good (for obvious reasons) and ended his career a US Citizen. Einstein's contribution was to draw FDR's attention to the potential of a nuclear weapon, and the potential that the 3rd Reich might try to build one. E=MCC was a useful equation, but there was far more to design & development than that (which is why, of course, the Germans failed to build one, where the US succeeded).

Nikola Tesla,greatest of all,i dont have enough space to describe his inventions.
He is half Croat,half serb

Agreed. Shall we name all of the NON-American scientists that have done great things? Is there a point to this exercise?

But,mdiehl try to look at some facts instead of constantly talk bullshit.

I consistently debate on facts. All one has to do is look at the recent conversation about 37mm guns. Somehow the fact that I was insulted a couple of times (and ignored it) and was ultimately demonstrated to be absolutely correct gets lost when, well, 'people like you' decide to derail a discussion.

Yet,you are quite normal compare to that pathetic excuse for human and insult for mankind rune iversen

Hmm. Well, I've now been compared favorably to Doggie, and to Rune. I suppose that in both circumstances such comparisons have been intended as a kind of backhanded insult, but frankly, I'll take it as a genuine compliment. I think if you tried debating them on the merits of facts, rather than calling them racists as a way of objecting to their observations about some of the drawbacks of German armor and aircraft, you'd find things less heated. But maybe not. Sometimes it *is* fun just to maul a chew-toy.

What nationality was Edward Teller? Another interesting scientist.

[mdiehl]

Of course, a really technical fellow would point out that Neal Armstrong went to the moon in a Lunar Module, in whose design and development von Braun made no contribution. The LEM was conceived and developed by a bunch of American engineers at Grumman Aircraft.

[hawker]

Hmm. Well, I've now been compared favorably to Doggie, and to Rune. I suppose that in both circumstances such comparisons have been intended as a kind of backhanded insult, but frankly, I'll take it as a genuine compliment. I think if you tried debating them on the merits of facts, rather than calling them racists as a way of objecting to their observations about some of the drawbacks of German armor and aircraft, you'd find things less heated. But maybe not. Sometimes it *is* fun just to maul a chew-toy.

How many times i must repeat that he start insulting first.
I will accept insults directed to me but,when that directed to my country i cannot accept.
Especially from the guy who know nothing about war.
So,look carefully to his posts before you try to defend that idiot.

[VicKevlar]

This thread is a hoot! [:D]

I do believe Chiteng/Sardonic aka Henry was banned in perpetuity here at Matrix Games. Did he make more hidden accounts? [:-]

[Rune Iversen]

ORIGINAL: hawker

How many times i must repeat that he start insulting first.

[:-]
A demonstrable lie.

Especially from the guy who know nothing about war.

[:'(]

[Doggie]

ORIGINAL: hawker

But,mdiehl try to look at some facts instead of constantly talk bullshit.
Yet,you are quite normal compare to that pathetic excuse for human and insult for mankind rune iversen

Let's see, Mdiehl and Rune offer their opinions and back them up with logical arguments and facts, while "the intellectual elite" here call people "racists" when they don't agree the Panther was the best tank ever.[8|]

Of course those of us like Rune and Sven who have actually served in the armed forces, and Mdiehl, whose accumulated knowledge is at least equal to a Bachelor's degree in aeronautics or Aviation History, are "idiots" compared to a bunch of European college boys who have never laid hands on an actual weapon and whose military experience consists of doing bong hits while playing GTA.

Except for Chittles of course, who won the medal of honor toting mortars at Ducklips in his "tactical operations equipment."

[Ursa MAior]

ORIGINAL: hawker
How many times i must repeat that he start insulting first.
I will accept insults directed to me but,when that directed to my country i cannot accept.
Especially from the guy who know nothing about war.
So,look carefully to his posts before you try to defend that idiot.

I have to disagree with you on this.

1. mdihel does not start with insults. It is another guy with a short name.[:D] Mdiehl uses insults after he has run out of arguements, and later deletes them cuz he realizes it is not wise to GENERALLY bash a country where the poster comes from. He is banned for this from time to time.
2. He knows a LOT about WW2 only his blinkers' size is comparable to that of the empire state building.
3. He is not an IDIOT, he is a CRUSADING KNIGHT against false AXIS propaganda.[8|]
4. The style in which mdiehl writes is not of an undergraduate (ie Bachelor) but rather of someone with a higher classifiation PhD or sumthin' [;)]

[Doggie]

Of course all of this stuff is academic, as it's an irrefutable fact that the Curtiss P-40 Warhawk was the greatest combat aircraft to ever rule the skies.



Look at it. It's magnificent. Case closed.

[Dixie]

My favourite is either the Mosquito, maybe the best light /medium bomber of the war.  Or the Lancaster, I grew up in an area surrounded by former Bomber Command bases and heard a lot of stories about Lancaster crews and missions.

[mdiehl]

Mdiehl uses insults after he has run out of arguements, and later deletes them cuz he realizes it is not wise to GENERALLY bash a country where the poster comes from. He is banned for this from time to time.

For the record, I have never been banned from any forum anywhere ever. I only deploy insults after I've been insulted several times and endeavored to ignore it. And bashing your country isn't fair on the assumption that you may not be representative of most of your peers. I have erased a few posts, largely because once a thread with you or a couple others deteriorates I have been known to simply start fragging, and because in a few instances I have been generally embarressed into having been duped into thinking that the debate OpFor wasn't something other than an Axis Fanboy Troll.

He knows a LOT about WW2 only his blinkers' size is comparable to that of the empire state building.

I have no biases. I don't however, worship at the table of fawning Axis admiration that says all things Nazi ('scuse me -- 3rd Reich German) were superior. We can revisit any substantive debate you want. The reasons for the Japanese defeat at Midway. The relative merits of the A6M+pilot vs the F4F+pilot compbination. The falsity of claims of B-29s lost to Explosive Dee. The claim that the Bismarck was a very good BB in comparison with contemporyr ships of other powers. The general bankruptcy of the panglossian claim that the Sherman was a POS. The claim that the ME-262 was a very effective combat aircraft. And, of late, the relative merits of the US 37MM M3/M5?M6 gun vs. the PaK36 or Czech weapon.

Any time you want, I'm game. I'll win again. And in about five posts the Opfor will be calling me blinkered, or calling me a racist, or telling me what stats don't matter, or dismissing operational qualities as irrelevant, or making up really nutty claims and attributing said claims to me.

He is not an IDIOT, he is a CRUSADING KNIGHT against false AXIS propaganda.

Not really. I'm just a guy with an eye for details. I'd be a lousy CO, but a good S4 probably ('cause I wouldn't be a jerk about dishing out what's needed, and I'd make sure that there was plenty of everything to go around).

I also hope to design a *gasp* WW2 PTO theater board game some day. I'm taking my time. So far I've chosen a time scale for the game turns: two weeks. Designing it right means identifying which of the various panglossian received wisdom type mil-hist generalizations really have merit (bloody few if any) and which need to be considered in greater detail to sort out the bs from the real (pretty much all of 'em).

[mdiehl]

The plane I'd most want to fly were I a WW2 pilot:

[Speedysteve]

"The claim that the ME-262 was a very effective combat aircraft"

Now now I went through the relative merits and faults of the 262. In the right hands it was an effective combat aircraft at bomber killing.

[mdiehl]

It was *reasonably* effective, tactically. As a strategic choice, producing ME262s was (IMO anyhow) a bad decision to the degree that its production took mechanics, engineers, raw materials, machine tools, and fuel away from producing, operating, fueling, and flying FW-190s. Strategically it was self-limited: utterly insufficient endurance for an a.c. operating in a theater in which the Allies could be predicted to show up with ground attack a.c. in force and often.

[Oleg Mastruko]

ORIGINAL: mdiehl
I also hope to design a *gasp* WW2 PTO theater board game some day. I'm taking my time. So far I've chosen a time scale for the game turns: two weeks.

Should be real easy mate, with all your accumulated knowledge:

1.) Turn one: US wins.
2.) Japanese player is required to commit sepukku. Plastic katana + some ketchup are included in the game box.
3.) Game ends.

Oh, and the maps and counters would feature some first class art I am sure [;)]

[Ursa MAior]

ORIGINAL: mdiehl
For the record, I have never been banned from any forum anywhere ever.

Dang man you have guts. Were it not pathetic to dig up all details and post them (including personnal messages from admins) I'd really do it. [:(]

If you were not banned what about the two weeks (az least twice that I know of) which you spent AWOL from the Witp forums (not that we missed you) making ouright racist statements?

You expert on p-80. [:'(]