You've lost a lot of sales due to the high price.

[Oleg Mastruko]

ORIGINAL: Doggie

Pardon, but if they did "anything visable" with it, it wouldn't be Close Combat, would it?

LOL of course it would be. This series evolved over 5 somewhat different games. There was even 6th game but I think it was an FPS and basically CC in name only (Close Combat First to Fight, it was post-Atomic). Then there are Eric Young's projects which would probably be called CC if he had the rights/licence to the CC franchise.

Anyhow, obviously some sort of "visible improvement" is possible while maintaining the overall CC theme and feel otherwise there would not be 5, 6 or 7 CCs made.

The devs do say there WILL be CC6, and they promise we "will be shocked" when it's released, so apparently they too think something visible can be done (the questions are when and how).

There's not even a guarantee they'll break even.

Honestly, with something as poor as this, who says they deserve to break even?

Ask Eric Young about the project he sank a couple of years into which tanked. Can't even remember the name of it.

I know all about it, in as much as could be known without hacking into people's private forums [:D]

I still remember Sulla fighting the hordes of unwashed naysayers on GIC forums, alone, and pretty much dying alone (metaphorically speaking of course), when the game "tanked" as you say. (I didn't post back then but had boatloads of fun just lurking on GIC forums.) Freedom games, was that the name of the company?

People have been asking for a new Close Combat game for years. Mister Heath gives it to you, and all you do is bitch.

This is NOT a "new" CC game, period. If this is a new game then Mr. Shakespeare has a new book released these days (I hear there's Hamlet translation planned in Uzbekistan - surely that qualifies as "new" book?) [:D]

One thing that might be worthwhile is re-releasing all the previous Close Combat titles.

Perhaps, unless it would be used as an excuse to delay REAL improvements even more.

[LitFuel]

ORIGINAL: Monkeys Brain

ORIGINAL: LitFuel

I just don't get the posts that slam the price...I mean what's your point?...don't buy it then and move on, no one is forcing you to do anything. You just seem to want to complain for the sake of it. I think what the problem is that you really want to buy it but are to cheap to fork up the extra $10 or $15 that's your choice and not anyone else's fault. If the other games are so great why arn't out playing them and instead here bitching about the price? No one owes you discounts for being cheap or deciding you want to buy other games instead. The price is reasonable but some of you are not, plain and simple.

Well, you are not right. Gentlemen called eez have put it quite right and I applaude to such posts.

But again in one thing you are right - discussion at this point is pointless so I will stop it right here. Fanboyism is good to a certain degree until it starts to slam posters for anything they say (well how dare they!). I've seen this on Paradox Forum where I complained about the lack of all package sprites in HoI 2.
Few years fast forward those creeps at Paradox still didn't released all sprites but some fans have made some but still there is not full package of sprites (I guss it takes much work).
But full division of angry fans jumped on me how I dare to criticize Paradox Interactive and main argument of them was "I play with counters". Now when fans made some sprites same people applaude them. /they made it for free, thing that paradox should made and not expect fans to made.

Nobody is "bitching" about 10$ and you didn't take the full point here. It's about principle and nobody is complaining just for the sake of complaining. If you want to shut up all dissent or rightfully complaints go ahead, be my guest, but that is really last think I would do.

And you are also right in one more thing, I am off to play fantastic MTW 2. And what is trolling, telling your own opinion on some things that is trolling? lol
For what is worth I at least have something to say. As I don't like discussion that are moving into circles and especially when strong arguments are just jumped over or ignored I say cheers and move on.

So, cheers.


Mario

What strong arguments?...I haven't heard anything yet...and yes people were bitching about $10. What principal?...we arn't talking about fighting for human rights here it's just a game you can't afford it...so deal with it. It's amazing when people don't get their way how they just find every excuse in the book to blame someone...anyone, but themselves. There is oh about 100 or so other games on the market right now who are way overpriced then CC for what you get in time played, enjoyment, mods etc.....why don't you go pick on them. You know I'm right or you wouldn't even be on here complaining. have you been on Ebay lately?...CC3 is still going for large amounts and I've noticed the others have all of sudden increased in value too...why?..because it's worth it and it hasn't stayed alive for 10 years for nothing....if it's not to you then I respect your choice but it is your choice. Why ruin others fun?

Oleg,

Dude, I won't even go there, the more I read the more your grudge against the makers stands out like a sore thumb...I have no idea why and I don't care. Going through life bitter is not good for your health [:D]. Take a happy pill will ya [;)]

[KG Erwin]

Just for the record, I spoke with Shaun on the phone once, and he came across as very friendly and helpful (that was a few years ago). Of course, I'm a sucker for a British accent, even though Shaun admitted he wasn't a big Stones fan. [;)]

[Monkeys Brain]

Mister Heath gives it to you, and all you do is bitch.

No. I for myself am not bitching. BTW, that is stupid term in itself because bitch is bitching and I just said what are my principles. And man without principles deserve to be pissed on his face. Not literally but they get that other way LOL

I was in fact quite enthusiastic about CC: CoI. If they drope the price to quite fair 29.95$ then my credit card is ready. I am not deflating the value of actual product to make myself clear. You can call on help from all Gods from Olymp and make a remake of CC but if it is recycled code (most of it) then I put it in category 19.95$ to 29.99$ top. Or you can pretend that textures were made by Picasso, I couldn't care less.

Now consider me a fan of Close Combat as I am fan of all good games and that opinion my friend is worthwhile. If me as a fan don't want to pay the price then some not so big fans will not want it even more. So that is lost sale. Clear lost sale.

So no mystery tales. I as a fan have not obligation to buy anything. In fact when I was younger I would not think this way but as you get older you also get colder, like a star heh.

And about not breaking even... As I told you there are games that have been in development for two years, and 20 people sunk enormous hard work into it. So I as a wargamer shoul shed a tear on wargames that sunk but would have to be apathetic at some mainstream games that sank. Yeah. Down with so called elitism. In fact even a mainstream games could be then "elitism". That status can reach many games but not too many. There are games that in fact reached that status and mostly it is games that play right. Or have some trace of endless replayability as chess. Be it Archon, Jagged Alliance 2, Civilization, Panzer General 2, MTW 2, and yes even Close Combat.

But new and entirely new product has new code, new graphics and others stuff - not nececary idea. See Jagged Alliance 3 - unfortunately Sir Tech is defunct (great developers btw) and now some Russian team is making JA 3. Would they follow the old vision and make a great game, I doubt but we will see. Nival have succeded in making a great Heroes games - I was sceptical but I am giving them a credit for good work. They had big respect to NWC legacy that for sure.

More verbage for a night birds hehe.



Mario

[Shaun Wallace]

Whoa,

Doggie and me on the same side again, (gadzooks!)

Oleg, you are making some pretty sweeping statements about which you seem to think a very small bit of knowledge equates to the whole picture. As with most things conclusions drawn from small scraps of info which is all you have are leading you to the wrong conclusions.

Yes, I was involved in GIC and EYSA. (Glad you seemed to have so much fun at what we were trying to achieve there!)

LOL of course it would be. This series evolved over 5 somewhat different games. There was even 6th game but I think it was an FPS and basically CC in name only (Close Combat First to Fight, it was post-Atomic). Then there are Eric Young's projects which would probably be called CC if he had the rights/licence to the CC franchise.

Anyhow, obviously some sort of "visible improvement" is possible while maintaining the overall CC theme and feel otherwise there would not be 5, 6 or 7 CCs made.

The devs do say there WILL be CC6, and they promise we "will be shocked" when it's released, so apparently they too think something visible can be done (the questions are when and how).

Oleg, you seem very bitter about something, not sure what, I have known you around the forums CC/CM/GIC/EYSA/Matric for a long time. If you find what we doing to be so bad then please be my guest and don't let the door catch your butt on the way out. No one is holding you here against your will, well aprt from you that is. Yes we are still trying to improve CC and having the code (which YOU seem in itself is wrong) have done much and intend to do more. Do I care if you believe me? Nope! Do I care that when its released the CC Fans will be pleased, you betcha! Oleg, I have better things to do than listen to you bitch on and on about how bad we all are and how we are all exploiting poor old you.

Honestly, with something as poor as this, who says they deserve to break even?

We have a small dev team who have worked DAMN hard on CoI, military projects and continue to do so on CC6, you want to talk about not deserving to break even? You seem a small man intent on causing trouble, I actually expected better of somone who "purports" to be a journalist! I am sure your reviews and comments are totally unbiased! You have the right to come on here and post comments, but to disparage the efforts of myself, my team, Matrix, Eric Young and everyone else involved in working on CC now in in the recent past. If this is the BEST you have to offer, then please do not waste your precious time any further!

This is NOT a "new" CC game, period. If this is a new game then Mr. Shakespeare has a new book released these days (I hear there's Hamlet translation planned in Uzbekistan - surely that qualifies as "new" book?)

Maybe you think you write like Milton or Shakespeare in your native langauge but I assure you that you have issues with English as you fail to get what the wrod "re-release" means. Its been stated over and over again yet you still want to troll on and on.

I don't care what you think Oleg, you give me no reason to care. I do care for the CC Community having kept CSO online for 10 years, way before GIC and EYSA. You may be a demi-god in Croatia, but you are doing yourself no favors here and are coming across as a petty spiteful and ultimately innane individual. I thought the days of people like you were past, oh well.... I can live in hope.

Sulla

[Monkeys Brain]

[/quote]


What strong arguments?...I haven't heard anything yet...and yes people were bitching about $10. What principal?...we arn't talking about fighting for human rights here it's just a game you can't afford it...so deal with it. It's amazing when people don't get their way how they just find every excuse in the book to blame someone...anyone, but themselves. There is oh about 100 or so other games on the market right now who are way overpriced then CC for what you get in time played, enjoyment, mods etc.....why don't you go pick on them. You know I'm right or you wouldn't even be on here complaining. have you been on Ebay lately?...CC3 is still going for large amounts and I've noticed the others have all of sudden increased in value too...why?..because it's worth it and it hasn't stayed alive for 10 years for nothing....if it's not to you then I respect your choice but it is your choice. Why ruin others fun?

Oleg,

Dude, I won't even go there, the more I read the more your grudge against the makers stands out like a sore thumb...I have no idea why and I don't care. Going through life bitter is not good for your health [:D]. Take a happy pill will ya [;)]
[/quote]


LOL

First I have money to buy Close Combat: CoI.
LOL it would be quite stupid from me to say you how much money I have but let's say that I am not that poor - I buy games regulary.
This is a matter of principles do I need to draw you a picture? lol
I am sorry if you don't understand.

What other games are overpriced? And you are wrong, generally I am against of all overpriced games.

Spoiling others people's fun. Not my intention at all, when we finish this discussion I will pack it from here but not without answering, I cannot let you have the last word if you are plain wrong. This is feedback and not spoiling other's people's fun at all. Then here would be only happy fans and angels songs everywhere in the air. haha.

I am Close Combat fan that is a tragedy in whole story. But as I said man of principle must stand up in his principles and be a last standing there if nececary.

e-Bay argument is old like oldest living elephant on Earth. lol

First people are collectionaries. They like the smell of old National Geographic, of old tattered pages, yellow of passed times... They in fact like old times when they were younger and could drink more than now lol. So they pay FOR THAT GAME legendary game that was released in, I don't know 1998. 0r 1997. or whatever.

Find me a copy of C-64 game of Archon and I will gladly send you a 200 $. Get it?

But CC: CoI is just vampire that is gotten out from his tomb and got a new life. People have already played it, got almost same feeling out of that game. So you cannot charge it like all new game and pretend that history starts in 2007. For me not.

And BTW, if you cannot see arguments in my post I am sorry. What else to say. The Gods were putting you like uranium so if your logic center didn't come out good then it just didn't. I will not try to explain my thoughts on 33 pages.


Mario

[Oleg Mastruko]

Shaun I guess I oughta be flattered as you called me by my name for like half a dozen times in your last post, but I am not really that important. Since when is this thread about me anyway?? I thought we were discussing a CC series? You still haven't provided any ballpark dates for CC6, let alone screenshots etc.

I am fine with that, but please don't try to mask the lack of data/plans and projections regarding CC6 by patronizing me.

Since your last post is so personalized and "Oleg-ized", let me give a brief list of Matrix Games related reviews I wrote thru the years:

UV 94% (2 pages); MA 81%; HTTR 94% (3 pages); EYSA 64%; KP 84% (2 pgs.); WITP 98% (5 pgs. - highest mark we ever gave to any game, and at 5 pgs. perhaps the biggest review of any Matrix game printed in any mag anywhere on the planet - this article is just so totally over the top in every imaginable aspect); FPG 86% (2 pgs.); GG WAW 93% (2 pgs.); COG 89% (2 pgs.); WPO 81%; TOAW3 84% (for old time's sake, and because Jamiam and Ralph are real nice gentlemen, although this was another poor re-release to be honest); COTA 92% (2 pgs.); GG WAW AWD 86%; and, yes, CC CoI 65% - so it is indeed my honest opinion CoI is a flop.

Yes, whole bunch of 90+ marks and except for 2 games all others in the 80+ range, as I am very passionate about wargaming and when I like the game I turn into an evangelist like you wouldn't believe.

Based on those shining marks I think anyone would have very hard time trying to prove some kind of anti-Matrix conspiracy is going on here.

Not only those scores are way WAY WAY WAY higher than MG products got elsewhere, most of those reviews are 2 page spreads, while the best Matrix can hope to get in the likes of Games for Windows or PC Gamer UK is, like, half a page hidden somewhere ending with 72% or sumfin'. I challenge anyone to present me with more detailed MG reviews published anywhere in print. Plus my magazine is not even a gaming magazine - just a regular mainstream PC mag, with oversized gaming scetion.

Hmmmm, wait, why am I writing this? [&:] Right, because you tried to turn this into "Oleg vs Matrix" or something which is just so totally wrong on many levels.

Incidentally, now that I've written marks I gave to all MG games thru the years, I do notice EYSA and CC CoI are BY FAR the lowest scoring. Gotta be something in the air [:D]

[old man of the sea]

1% more for CoI over EYSA? I am shocked!
 
E

[old man of the sea]

ORIGINAL: KG Erwin

Just for the record, I spoke with Shaun on the phone once, and he came across as very friendly and helpful (that was a few years ago). Of course, I'm a sucker for a British accent, even though Shaun admitted he wasn't a big Stones fan. [;)]

I'm with you on this. Shaun is a fine guy who works really hard. Me, I like German accents, so Marc is more my kind of dream date. But really, there is always someone who wants to go on and on about why they don't like something. Me, I like feeding trolls, be they reviewers or be they simply trolls.

E

[old man of the sea]

ORIGINAL: Doggie

Ask Eric Young about the project he sank a couple of years into which tanked.

Yeah, ask me. Why is it I always get the impression that people think I actually wanted to make GIC and EYSA? I like hex based turn based games on paper damn it. I don't like realtime tactical games. I got paid to make those games, it wasn't something I just woke up and decided to make my life work out of them. Same goes for all of Close Combat. Define tanked. There where lots of tanks in GIC and EYSA. A whole lot of tanks. Panzer IV's, Panthers, Shermans, Marders, Cromwells, heck we had lots of tanks. GI Combat met sales projections (barely) and so did EYSA. Did they get good reviews? Yes and no. Will there be any more of them. Maybe, but not with me at the helm. I'm into training cops how to shoot dogs, bad guys, and how not to shoot dogs and people they should not shoot.

Oleg hates CC CoI but I've never even heard of him or seen his reviews before so if a tree falls in the forest and no one is there to hear it does it make a sound? He keeps going on about it not being a new game. Hmmmm, no sh*te!

I could tell you secrets about the map designs in Close Combat that would make you roll on the floor. F Tom, church youth camps, so much more. Close Combat after CC2 was a joke to me. Or a really bad joke played on me, I'm not sure which is true.

The only game I have enjoyed working on in the last 10 years is the game I am working on now, and you won't need a computer to play it. You will need lots of room, and lots of time.

While I am at it, what is Croatia? I am a dumb Native American. Is it part of Dalmatia? If so I hate their dogs. Those black spots and urinary tract problems are a pain in the @$$.

Man, have I mentioned that it is really nice to be out of the computer games biz? Selling stuff to the government is a way so much better life. Harder to do but better. Sarge! Time to b*tch about my war profiteering! Only I really don't have anything to do with military sales.

Oh, while I am at it, do you all know any good doctors in my area of PA. I have a boil on my @$$ and need to get it checked. I think I will name it Oleg until it is removed.

Disclaimer: I get no money from the sales of CC CoI. I doubt if I am even in the credits, why should I be, I didn't work on it. And if I did work on the first version, I had nothing to do with what shipped in the second version, and had no ownership in that version, so I deserve no credit. (see Sarge, I'm a man, not a worm like you).

I could really care less if anyone ever sells another computer game anywhere in the world. But reviewers who go on and on in forums about their opinions is just plain cheap self promotion. Print your opinion where you make money doing it and get the heck on with your life. Write another review, make more money, be happy, D@mn it!

Oh and more about tanks. I like tanks. I like cardboard counters with tanks printed on them. I like pictures of tanks. I like riding on tanks. I like looking at them at the proving grounds.

Things I like, dogs, I have three now. Cats, three of those too. Kids, four of them. Cars, one GM, One Mazda, One VW Vanagon. Houses, I just bought one. Fish, we got four.
Pagan gods, got six of them and ready to add more. Mead, got lots in storage, like 15 gallons bottled and 15 gallons getting ready to bottle. Spring, it is almost here.

Things I don't like, hmmm, people, unless they are for dinner. Turnips, I just don't get them. Hmmm, this list is harder.

Now, for something completely different!

My 19 year old daughter just moved in with me after her mother tossed her out of the house because she could not get child support for her anymore. I am so darn happy she moved in. It is a joy to have her back in my day to day life. The third dog I mentioned is one she picked out. A wonderful animal named Shadow.

On to more stuff.

Did you now that the American 1st Army has 50 billion dollars to spend on anything it wants?

Did you know my son Abner just came down stairs to tell me he loves me?

Did you know that in 10 years the sea will rise 3 feet?

Did you know that no one I know in the real world even cares about computer games.

Did you know that I do not have one darn game installed on the machine I am using to post here?

Did you know that I tossed my television out the front door four days ago? It worked fine, I was just tired of it and the mind numbing influence it had on my children.

Did you know, that if you wasted this much time reading this post you are a loser?

E

[old man of the sea]

Sorry, I'm drinking my first bottle of Cyser from my fall batch, must drink some more, I like this thread.

[old man of the sea]

Blabsky! Post something to make me stop!

[old man of the sea]

the silence of the lambs

[Andrew Williams]

I'm a LOSER.
 
Is your daughter still with you after you tossed out the TV?

[Shaun Wallace]

Hmmmm, wait, why am I writing this? Right, because you tried to turn this into "Oleg vs Matrix" or something which is just so totally wrong on many levels.

Incidentally, now that I've written marks I gave to all MG games thru the years, I do notice EYSA and CC CoI are BY FAR the lowest scoring. Gotta be something in the air

Oleg (sorry I figured that was the way to address you) get a life bro [>:] Oh and it does say something, it says you don't like CC

Sulla

[Muzrub]

ORIGINAL: Shaun Wallace

Hmmmm, wait, why am I writing this? Right, because you tried to turn this into "Oleg vs Matrix" or something which is just so totally wrong on many levels.

Incidentally, now that I've written marks I gave to all MG games thru the years, I do notice EYSA and CC CoI are BY FAR the lowest scoring. Gotta be something in the air

Oleg (sorry I figured that was the way to address you) get a life bro [>:] Oh and it does say something, it says you don't like CC

Sulla

As a moderator should you be making smart arse remarks?

[Monkeys Brain]

LOL we used to make 1000 litres of best plum brandy in the world - I am not boasting it is really best hehe...don't know how much is that gallons... we have two houses, and two appartments...
and land we have nice piece of land, not big but really great 2 jutra (it is 2 and a half hectars by our definition)

Eric you would like the place I was from. Best man from my father is good hunter(and my father as well) and also very entertaining man. Ah, I drank 6 plum brandy drinks at his house last time and had a great time (didn't get drunk too much but this plum brandy is very strong!). But he is also good at preparing a swine - all with meat, that is old tradition that I've heard will be forbidden when we enter EU. Anyway very good tradition in any case. So that is also Balkan. It is lousy when I see that Americans or anyone else look at Balkans only as negative thing and those things they have seen in media.
What they don't know that Balkans is very diversive place. The village just 2 miles west from mine small city (5000 inh.) speaks with different accent. Just 2 miles from my place. Do you have that in USA? I doubt it. So Balkans is like leopard skin. Your way of life would fit in in some places here. So nothing is only black or white, that's life.

edit: the place where my father lives and where I lived have 26 nationalities ! 26 nations live there together and no problem at all. well war have brought some angry serb refugees there but there are no etnhic clashes there. why 26 nationalities? we had coal mine that was shut in 1960's. I am proud on both my grandfathers that worked in coal mine. Man, they were great. You see hard work tend to also makes special kind of man. A good man.
The miners are also special kind of man.
26 nations on 4500 people. yes, you don't have even in usa.

BTW, Oleg have given really low score on CC: CoI... well it is a remake. I don't agree with him. The only thing is that Matrix should have done is to lower the price to 29.95$ as their investment into graphics was almost zero dollars. And then CoI is 75% in my review because of multiplayer support (some problems would be solved), mod support etc... a little less score maybe for older fans who played mods to death.
but charging 40 $ is too much. EA have compilations of 3 to 5 games that cost that much. Need For Speed collection, Harry Potter, Lords of the rings etc... yes you heard it, 4 or 5 games for 40 $.
I have no problem paying for new product premium price. I paid 65 $ for Norm Kogers Distant Guns... I didn't mind product activation because that is technical not artistic thing! Those bozos on wargame Usenet group have blowed the thing out of proportion. Now that was nasty. Advanced copy protection is a future or many companies will just shut the doors due to piracy. But those bozos think that all people are honest and buy original games. Ha! With broadband internet and torrent you will need mind implant to check honesty of people.

[Shaun Wallace]

Muzrub, being a mod does not preculde being human.
 
I have posted reasonably, sensibly and pointed out exactly what CC CoI was and meant to be and what CC6 will be. There is a point at which you know viscerally that reason is not working, but you feel the need to explain further. MB had some valid points and these have been awnswerd, not just by me but many others. Oleg when stating that "does not deserve to break even" and the endless posting of the same things is being sensible I take it? he is being an impartial reviewer?
 
Sulla

[Oleg Mastruko]

ORIGINAL: Shaun Wallace
Oleg when stating that "does not deserve to break even"

Pulling stuff out of context. I was replying to Doggie, and what I know of him is that he has this big love affair going on with capitalism [;)] There's no mercy on capitalist market and no reason why should anyone pity a product that fails to "break even". So I said if product X fails to break even perhaps it didn't deserve to break even, that's all.

[Oleg Mastruko]

ORIGINAL: Shaun Wallace
Oleg (sorry I figured that was the way to address you) get a life bro [>:] Oh and it does say something, it says you don't like CC

I like CC, I don't like people messin' with CC [:D]

Since you *again* try to make this personal ("Oleg vs CC" or "Oleg vs Me") here are scores I gave to various CC related products over the years:

CC3 91% (3 pgs.); CC4 82%; CC5 90% (2 pgs.), EYSA 64%, CoI 65%

Whoa! A pattern emerges again.... [:D]