IE7 Or Better?!!

[ravinhood]

ORIGINAL: Erik Rutins

ORIGINAL: ravinhood
Ahhh someone with 5 posts making a comment on what Ravinhood should do. lmao

Your point? I didn't realize post count had any correlation with the value of one's opinion.

"I also think anyone who hasn't even been around long enough for others to get aquainted with and come into a thread and bash ME (tell me what I should do) is a bit over the top. "

That's my point!

Lol at any rate this is just going waaaaayyy off topic, so, let's just forget what ole Ravinhood should do as ole Ravinhood is going to do what ole Ravinhood wants to do and nobody's opinion is going to change that.

Now back to the IE 7.0 issues. No chance of getting IE 6.0 to work with the editors eh?

[British tommy]

ORIGINAL: junk2drive

I've known BT for years. He just hasn't had a reason to join Matrix. He's a good guy but will poke you with a stick once in a while just to see if you are awake.

LOL! [:D]
J2D you know me too well! [:)]

[British tommy]

ORIGINAL: ravinhood


I'm the meanest som biatch you ever saw that pet the bunny. I'm a nice guy, but, I won't back down. You'll see if you hang around long enough.

Even nice fluffy white bunnies have claws and teeth!
No harm done on either side, just a brief flurry of words to break up the serious bits here [:'(]
So when did you say your installing IE7? [;)]

(puts long pointy stick back into broom cupboard!)

[rickier65]

I've been kinda quiet on this thread. I think I actually posted the first post about IE7 that got Ravinhood all worked up. That post was responded to and moved to the support forum.

I'd prefer not to upgrade, though I suspect at some point I will have to (ie - when I buy my next comp and it comes with Vista for example - I suspect moving to IE7 will be minor at that point).

In any event, I went ahead and upgraded my laptop to IE7, just so I could take a look at the Editors with this game, and would probably have upgraded my main playing machine as well.

But I got a PM from Erik asking if I would like to test out some revised eidtors Stridor put together.

Naturally I jumped at the chance, in spite of the fact that I'm old and slow and was still plodding through the manual (Only prior experience was with the PCOWS demo).

So I quickly installed the Editors on my desktop (after making back-ups of the originals - just in case). And fired them up. I fired up my laptop next to it so I could at least follow along.

I had already tried the RBG on my laptop which used IE 7 so running through it with the IE6 version was a piece of cake -- it worked like a charm! Granted I didn't try all of the different options, mainly the randomizing buttons and choice selection drop-downs. But everything I did worked fine. Created two battles pretty quick.

And the visual issue Stridor and Erik both mentioned are really not bad on the RBG - while it does the generation - the screen doesn't totally refresh so you see some random choice artifacts still showing - not really a problem (and it refreshes your mind on what wome of the coices were).

I loaded and played in the game through the first orders phase just to see if things actually moved around.

I moved on to the RCG - again, though I hadn't used it before, I ran through it pretty quick and easy and voila, had my random campaign built. Again, while it was generating the Campaign, some of the choice windows were left on screen - but wasn't really an issue. In fact for both of these, if I hadn't had the lap top next to me doing the smae thing, I might not have noticed that the windows didn't really belong there.

I also tried out the HQ help option after I created the Random Campaign. And sure enough, I was promised some barrage support. And got my warning letter. But I ignored it and ask for more help - and sure enough got it with and the letter got a lettle sterner - but hey I really need help so I asked for more - but this time - HQ said no and told me I was deep s---. Well, more or less - in any evnt it worked fine as well.

Then came time to check out the Battle Editor, So I loaded up the original RBG and immeditately had an error msg. But hey, what the heck, I responded to the dialog to keep going and it proceeded on (this error did not manifest itself in any functional problem I"m aware of )

After looking at the screen I decided it was time to actually open the manual to the editor instructions. So I started on page 112 in the manual and went though each of the numbered item in pages 112 - 120. This is where I added gave myself a platoon of IE6 tanks, named them Rick's tanks and set them up to pop-up in the middle of the battlefield on turn 2. Went ahead and saved it. ( In all fairness, as i followed along on my laptop with IE7 loaded, I gave myself a platoon of IE7 tanks).

Played this one through orders phase of turn to - just so I could see Rick's platoon of IE6 tanks join the fray.

Then went on to the campaign editor - using the Random campaign I had created earlier as a start. Had another startup error, but again ignored it. (and again, it didn't seem to affect the functionality of the editor). The manual (I didn't look at any of the addendum's), wasn't quite as extensive on the campaign generator and I fumbled around a bit (I also fumbled around on my laptop - both fumbles were pretty much the same.), and the fact that I was editing a series of Random battles didn't help.

But I finally started to see the light and added the scenario that I had created earlier (with Ricks's IE6 tank platoon) to this campaign, and then moved it to be the first battle in the Campaign. Added in one of the campaign overview maps - and a briefing.

The biggest problem with the IE6 versions showed up when I did a preview battle from within the campaign editor - it again had some left over artifacts, but this time they did obscure some significant parts of the screen - but even this you can work around with some scrolling and I think it's mainly there to keep you from having to load the scenarios up in the game to see how the opening screen looks.

When I finished I had a new random battle, a new random campaign, a new set battle with a name, and a new named campaign.

As I said I'm pretty old and slow - but the IE6 versions of the editor did everything the IE7 versions on my laptop did with only a few minor glitches (that didn't materially affect outcome).

I'm pretty impressed that Matrix addressed this issue so quickly and so successfully - in my opinion they more than exceeded my expectations.

Sorry for long post but just wanted you all to know that the IE6 versions aren't vaporware - they work.

Kudos to Stridor and Erik both!

Rick

[rickier65]

ORIGINAL: flipperwasirish

...

I am only one voice, but I can't get worked over having to install IE7 to make a game work. If it was not listed the requirements that would be one thing, but it is.

...

Actually, I dont think it was initially. I think it got added to the min requirements after this surfaced. But I pretty much agree with the thrust of your comments.

Rick

[Hertston]

ORIGINAL: ravinhood

Funny I don't have a single patch for all the SOFTWARE I bought between 1982 and 1994....so where's this ALWAYS need patching? Oh I take that back Master of Magic did have one patch that I recall. Wow just one game out of 100's required a patch from 1982 to 1994 imagine that.

Bollocks.

[ravinhood]

ORIGINAL: Rick

I've been kinda quiet on this thread. I think I actually posted the first post about IE7 that got Ravinhood all worked up. That post was responded to and moved to the support forum.

I'd prefer not to upgrade, though I suspect at some point I will have to (ie - when I buy my next comp and it comes with Vista for example - I suspect moving to IE7 will be minor at that point).

In any event, I went ahead and upgraded my laptop to IE7, just so I could take a look at the Editors with this game, and would probably have upgraded my main playing machine as well.

But I got a PM from Erik asking if I would like to test out some revised eidtors Stridor put together.

Naturally I jumped at the chance, in spite of the fact that I'm old and slow and was still plodding through the manual (Only prior experience was with the PCOWS demo).

So I quickly installed the Editors on my desktop (after making back-ups of the originals - just in case). And fired them up. I fired up my laptop next to it so I could at least follow along.

I had already tried the RBG on my laptop which used IE 7 so running through it with the IE6 version was a piece of cake -- it worked like a charm! Granted I didn't try all of the different options, mainly the randomizing buttons and choice selection drop-downs. But everything I did worked fine. Created two battles pretty quick.

And the visual issue Stridor and Erik both mentioned are really not bad on the RBG - while it does the generation - the screen doesn't totally refresh so you see some random choice artifacts still showing - not really a problem (and it refreshes your mind on what wome of the coices were).

I loaded and played in the game through the first orders phase just to see if things actually moved around.

I moved on to the RCG - again, though I hadn't used it before, I ran through it pretty quick and easy and voila, had my random campaign built. Again, while it was generating the Campaign, some of the choice windows were left on screen - but wasn't really an issue. In fact for both of these, if I hadn't had the lap top next to me doing the smae thing, I might not have noticed that the windows didn't really belong there.

I also tried out the HQ help option after I created the Random Campaign. And sure enough, I was promised some barrage support. And got my warning letter. But I ignored it and ask for more help - and sure enough got it with and the letter got a lettle sterner - but hey I really need help so I asked for more - but this time - HQ said no and told me I was deep s---. Well, more or less - in any evnt it worked fine as well.

Then came time to check out the Battle Editor, So I loaded up the original RBG and immeditately had an error msg. But hey, what the heck, I responded to the dialog to keep going and it proceeded on (this error did not manifest itself in any functional problem I"m aware of )

After looking at the screen I decided it was time to actually open the manual to the editor instructions. So I started on page 112 in the manual and went though each of the numbered item in pages 112 - 120. This is where I added gave myself a platoon of IE6 tanks, named them Rick's tanks and set them up to pop-up in the middle of the battlefield on turn 2. Went ahead and saved it. ( In all fairness, as i followed along on my laptop with IE7 loaded, I gave myself a platoon of IE7 tanks).

Played this one through orders phase of turn to - just so I could see Rick's platoon of IE6 tanks join the fray.

Then went on to the campaign editor - using the Random campaign I had created earlier as a start. Had another startup error, but again ignored it. (and again, it didn't seem to affect the functionality of the editor). The manual (I didn't look at any of the addendum's), wasn't quite as extensive on the campaign generator and I fumbled around a bit (I also fumbled around on my laptop - both fumbles were pretty much the same.), and the fact that I was editing a series of Random battles didn't help.

But I finally started to see the light and added the scenario that I had created earlier (with Ricks's IE6 tank platoon) to this campaign, and then moved it to be the first battle in the Campaign. Added in one of the campaign overview maps - and a briefing.

The biggest problem with the IE6 versions showed up when I did a preview battle from within the campaign editor - it again had some left over artifacts, but this time they did obscure some significant parts of the screen - but even this you can work around with some scrolling and I think it's mainly there to keep you from having to load the scenarios up in the game to see how the opening screen looks.

When I finished I had a new random battle, a new random campaign, a new set battle with a name, and a new named campaign.

As I said I'm pretty old and slow - but the IE6 versions of the editor did everything the IE7 versions on my laptop did with only a few minor glitches (that didn't materially affect outcome).

I'm pretty impressed that Matrix addressed this issue so quickly and so successfully - in my opinion they more than exceeded my expectations.

Sorry for long post but just wanted you all to know that the IE6 versions aren't vaporware - they work.

Kudos to Stridor and Erik both!

Rick

Thanks a lot Rick I appreciate all the effort you put into showing us how the rest of the game is going to function with IE 6.0 As I had said before all I want to work or need to work is the RBG and the RCG I'm not into editing at all I'll leave that for the brainiacs who like doing that sort of stuff. Unlike others on here though who are quick to attack those with issues I do have symphathy for those that have IE 6.0 that don't want to upgrade and like to do designs and stuff. I hope there's a way they can figure out how to make it better for you. I see no reason to attack someone that isn't happy with the mechanics of the game though. We all don't like chocolate yah know?

[ravinhood]

ORIGINAL: Hertston

ORIGINAL: ravinhood

Funny I don't have a single patch for all the SOFTWARE I bought between 1982 and 1994....so where's this ALWAYS need patching? Oh I take that back Master of Magic did have one patch that I recall. Wow just one game out of 100's required a patch from 1982 to 1994 imagine that.

Bollocks.

SOrry Herston I don't get it? What are you trying to say?

[rickier65]

ORIGINAL: ravinhood


Thanks a lot Rick I appreciate all the effort you put into showing us how the rest of the game is going to function with IE 6.0 As I had said before all I want to work or need to work is the RBG and the RCG I'm not into editing at all I'll leave that for the brainiacs who like doing that sort of stuff.

Then these IE6 RCG and RBG will work fine for you

ORIGINAL: ravinhood

... and like to do designs and stuff. I hope there's a way they can figure out how to make it better for you. I see no reason to attack someone that isn't happy with the mechanics of the game though. We all don't like chocolate yah know?

To be honest, if I were Matrix or Stridor, I wouldn't put any more effort into it to make it better. These IE6 editor versions work with only minor visual issues - and that's the price I pay for being reluctant to upgrade. To me, upgrading is all about cost - benefit. when it gets worth it to upgrade, I will. But with these IE 6 versions of the Random generators AND the eidtors as well, now I won't have to upgrade for a hile longer.

I hope you reorder your game from NWS - and see if you can get Erik to send you the new files.

Rick

[Marc von Martial]

ORIGINAL: ravinhood
And of course that is just YOUR PERSPECTIVE and not one highly accepted I'm sure. You're a techno geek of course you would side with the industry standards. I'm a consumer and I see things quite differently and through another PERSPECTIVE that is quite commonly accepted.

To quote somebody else, Bollocks. Why do you think that people working in the software industry need to be techno geeks? You do not need to be a F1 mechanic in order to change the tires on your car.

First and foremost I'm a consumer of computer technology as anybody else that sits in front of a screen, I work on them, I do not have the time nor do I need to be a techno geek in order to work with them. I do not built hardware, or anything else. I use software applications. Software I payed for and guess what, is buggy and requires me to install the one or other update in order to get my hand on all the features. The only thing that might be different, I do not make a fuzz out of it based on being uninformed and based on hear say. Working with computers does not require one to be a techno or computer geek and actually that is not the point here anyway.

Didn't you and others just admit that IE 6.0 was buggy and flawed FOR YEARS?

That's the whole point. It was flawed and buggy for years, still people now praise it over IE7, forgetting completely how leaky and buggy IE6 was/is. IE7 fixes a lot of issues IE6 had, IE7 has it's own of course, as any piece of software has. So there is no reason in crying about the whole affair. Just install it, it will not cause pestilence or anything else IE6 or IE5, to get really nostalgic, could not.

There is no return on software not because it can be buggy, but because it is easily copyable. Just as music CDs, movie DVDs etc. etc. Once the box is opened you loose your return. Wether you like the movie / music or not. You can not copy a cell phone or car at home [;)]. If you are not okay with this, do not buy items you get no return on.

The MOB rules and will always rule and it's the developers and publishers who will either have to apease the mob or just not make much money. The MOB is the one that put Starforce in its place with several popular publishers. I need not say more, but, I will. The MOB has put VISTA in its place it will disappear like a rotten apple and be replaced by something the MOB will accept or not that is to be seen when Window 7 appears. It's just like this IE 7.0 issue with this game. You'll never really know I suppose how many sales you lost because of it.

Yep and to put it bluntly it is the very same mob that screams and screams for more features that need more and more horsepower but at the same time jumps up the walls like a 5 year old that did not get the bike for birthday if they have to upgrade their 5 years old computer in order to be able to use these requested features.
Meanwhile the much bigger part of the mob moves on, stays up a tad with new developments and enjoys [;)]

Btw, got a question, is that the same mob that did put Windows 98, and Windows XP or any other MS product in its place when it came out???

[TheHellPatrol]

ORIGINAL: British tommy

ORIGINAL: ravinhood

Ahhh someone with 5 posts making a comment on what Ravinhood should do. lmao

LOL! [:D]
Well I'm the new boy here but after reading your posts here, you come across as Mr Angry [:@]
But I bet your a nice guy really

Nah[8|], nobody likes him....[:'(]

[ravinhood]

Yep and to put it bluntly it is the very same mob that screams and screams for more features that need more and more horsepower but at the same time jumps up the walls like a 5 year old that did not get the bike for birthday if they have to upgrade their 5 years old computer in order to be able to use these requested features.
Meanwhile the much bigger part of the mob moves on, stays up a tad with new developments and enjoys [;)]

Btw, got a question, is that the same mob that did put Windows 98, and Windows XP or any other MS product in its place when it came out???

 
So you finally admit that the MOB only stays up a TAD with new developments and I will agree with that, but, the much bigger part of the mob does not move on else VISTA would be on the majority of peoples machines by now wouldn't it? See, you don't want to admit the truth that I see and know the MOB is NOT moving at the speed of technology I see it around me everyday. Go into a call center sometime and look at the systems and computers they are using. Hardly state of the art and front runner applications they are using. They certainly don't have VISTA installed and if I could get a chance to look at their specs I betcha they are running IE 6.0 as well in the background.
 
And yep it's the same mob that scoffed at Windows ME and Win 2k and any other ones they didn't understand or want to understand. Most NORMAL people like to stick with what they know and don't want to learn something else every 2 or 3 years. You just fall outside of that catagory of people because of the work you do. YOU want what makes things SIMPLE FOR YOU not for the consumer (that's why I said you are a techno geek). I know you do because I've read your own gleeful statements about VISTA awhile back when Vista started hitting the market and I told you then it wouldn't fly, but, you of course thought differently and of course you were wrong and I was right. Average joe doesn't want to upgrade every other year. Average joe has an average machince sitting on their desktops. Average joes don't rush to the internet looking for the latest drivers and applications that someone said was awesome because it made their life simplier. This whole thing with IE 7.0 is an average joe situation otherwise answer me this....why did you all RUSH to make this thing work with IE 6.0 so fast? You seem to want to put that lil item out of the equation of what I'm talking about. If it's no big deal why are you messing with it in the first place?
 

[marcusm]

I can understand if someone says he prefers Firefox or Safari to IE7 but
what kind of sad person prefers IE6? It's the worst crap MS ever put out. Webdesginers
allover the place were happy that it disappeared. Whatever bugs IE7 had were nothing compared
to the junk IE6.

It should be a criminal offence to have IE6 on the HD.

[Erik Rutins]

I don't think there's anything else productive that can be added to this thread. For those just joining us as I lock this up...

We have IE6-compatible versions of the RBG and RCG and HQ Helper available to anyone who's interested. They are not "official" yet and do have a few minor visual glitches, but they work. Just send me a PM if interested.

Regards,

- Erik