Starvation Island--Scenario 4 "Learning Curve"

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Damian was and still is a very good teacher of the Japanese economy. [&o] Without him and Tracker, I don't know if I would have saved John's economy in his epic game vs Canoerebel (Dan). I will have to re-negotiate his consultant fee before we start this 2x2 PBEM. [;)]

Now, to "motivate" JuanG to finish his new mod before the end of the month.

House Rules

1. PP to be paid to move LCUs and air assets outside of national borders.
a. Japan - Manchuria and Thai
b. Allies - Chinese and India (following Q-Ball and CFs example of paying to get Indian LCUs into Burma)

2. No strategic bombing of economic assets until 1943 (the exact month will be???). This helps Japan early and keeps China from being reduced to ruble by mid-42.

3. Reinforcements at +/- 60 variable. The more uncertainty, the better.

4. PDUs "ON"

5. Multiple port attacks on Turn 1, but ONLY from carriers. Knowing Admiral Cochran, he will want to do this. Thus, the Allies can place their S-boats at Manila into TF. Even though as Japan I hate these subs, I don't want to take away all their fun.

6. Non-Historical first turn.

I know there is more and they can be added or changed by other players, but my morning coffee fix has not kicked in yet. [;)]

Both sides can submit some "minor" modifications to JuanG before the first turn orders. As Japan, I want to either have moved or use the old WITP first turn bonus to reposition some of the "free" LCUs to/from major bases (Kwajalien, Truk, Babeldoad, Takao, Saigon). The Allies may want to move a CV TF and a BB based SC TF to somewhere around Australia for example.

While we wait for the mod to be finished, I can talk talk with Admiral "Banzai" about general strategy and division of responsibilities (I know the economy and China are mine).
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RE: Observations

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Thanks Michael,
I wasn't looking for kudos, just a bit of a laugh, as I'm sure you're aware.[8D]

Can you remind Juan about Pilot <-> HI requirements

I wrote this recently about Scenario 2
My first gripe with this scenario is that there is an increase in pilot recruits in 43 which doesn't account for the added HI requirement... sure if you know the ins and outs of a scenario, the player could prepare for this, but ...

Anyway, moving from 42 to 43, pilot recruitment jumps from about 600 combined to almost 1500, so instead of (600*12)*5HI = 36K /month ... we eventually need (1500*12)*5HI = 90K/month

From what I've seen of the BB variant, this holds true for this scenario too ... It becomes tight in 43-44 with 90K+ just on pilots. Of course if the economy is adjusted, then I have no probs.

I'll also look at the scenario when it comes out anyhow.
[edit]I'll be interested to see how the shipProduction numbers play out too
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RE: Observations

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Damian,

Floyd and you desire a lot of KUDOS for Tracker. I know I would not even play Japan without it. The lessons I'm learning from my game against FatR (Stanislav) will be used in this game. I haven't looked at your training videos, but I hope you spent extra time on the Air Production area (engine planning especially). That continues to be my weakest point in understanding the economy. I will send you a game file once we get to that point so you can 'earn' your consultant fee. [;)]
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I'll add my applause to Michael's regarding Tracker.&nbsp; Once my former Economics Minister, turned personal and family Counselor, and now Co-Chairman of the soon-to-be Greater East Asia Co-Proserity Sphere taught me how to use it, Tracker became a mainstay within my Campaigns in WitP.&nbsp; Haven't even looked at AE since all I have been doing is this scenario at the moment.
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Since Michael and I are--apparently--now set how about we open a AAR Thread for the upcoming 2x2?&nbsp; Am I correct that the Allied team will consist of Miller and Fishbed?&nbsp; If so, please sound off here so we know!
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We need to come up with a Title for our Campaign.&nbsp; I usually use a Book for the Title like The First Team:&nbsp; Japanese Perspective or something of that sort.&nbsp; Does anyone have any bright ideas?
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Also used The Fleet the Gods Forgot and Forlorn Hopes...
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Other Good Book Titles:
1.&nbsp; Shattered Sword
2.&nbsp; At Dawn We Slept
3.&nbsp; Sunburst
4.&nbsp; Barrier and the Javelin
5.&nbsp; Fire in the Sky
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How about:&nbsp; See you in Tahiti come January 1942?
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Dan---My Most Worthy Opponent---don't think you have my plans.&nbsp; Tahiti in January 1942?&nbsp; Heck NO!
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More like December 20, 1941...
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Kaigun! If you have not read this book, and you refuse to get it, I will fight you right now.

That's my favorite title.......
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Absolutely fantastic book!&nbsp; I used it, when it had just come out, for some of my Master's research.&nbsp; We could add that to the list.
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I like titles that work BOTH ways, however, for an AAR.&nbsp; Kaigun with an addition behind could work.&nbsp; Kaigun:&nbsp; Rising/Falling might be possible.&nbsp; Barrier and the Javelin works both ways too.&nbsp; At Dawn We Slept could work in either direction as well.
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ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

How about:  See you in Tahiti come January 1942?

Dan--You always have good AAR Title ideas. Anything here?
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Well I am definetly going to play this one, if for no ther reason than to learn more. I am at work now but hopefully this weekend I can touch base with fishbed and we can decide who fights with what and where[:D]&nbsp;I am glad we will have the chance to save those PI subs, as Japan I really hate those damn things but as the allies you really need them to at least have a precense in the area. As for the title I have to say barrier/javalin does sound good. Have both of theose but my reading list is loooonnngggg. Doing the Stalingrad trilogy by Glanz now and it is a bear. Yeh I am an east front whore as well as a pacific one.
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Barrier vs. the Javelin?  Michael and/or Fishbed:  What do you think of that?

I read somewhere about a random roll for being able to form up 1-6 SS from Manila at the start of the war.  Think we used it in out 2x2 in WitP.  Would be nice to randomize it a bit and allow the Allies the chance to pull 'x' SS.  These could be Fleet- or S-Boats.  Don't know if that makes sense or not.

EDIT: What are the titles of those Stalingrad books? Dan got me to read a set of GREAT Civil War books when we were playing our campaign.
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RE: AAR Title?

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You can use the last digit in an e-mail or posting date/time stamp and multiple by "x" to get the number of subs able to sortie. From your last post John that would be 4 times "x." If there are 30 subs in Manila (I don't know the exact number since I'm at work), but "x" would then be 3.
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Yeah, one of the Civil War books is "The Shipwreck of our Hopes."&nbsp; That sounds like a good - if ominous - name for a naval contest.
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The books are by David Glantz,
To the Gates of Stalingrad: Soviet-German Combat Operations, April-August 1942
Armageddon in Stalingrad: September-November 1942
After Stalingrad: The Red Army's Winter Offensive, 1942-1943
Am reading the first and am almost done. It is very thourough but can be dry. If you want good history though it is worthwhile but I will say most of the maps are horrible, to small to read. Thats a shame because the text really needs good maps unless your very familure with the battles.
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that is a good title[:D]
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Shipwreck of our Hopes?&nbsp; I LIKE that...
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Michael--you hit the nail on the head for what I was thinking about.&nbsp; How about we go with that?&nbsp; Allows for a FEW survivors!!
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I move that we adopt "The Shipwreck of Our Hopes" (Battle of Chattanooga) as the AAR Title for both sides?  Do I hear a Second?
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The moment we have a title, Michael and I our starting ours because strategy talks have already begun!
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Second, if only so you can plot against me[X(]
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