Rethinking turn 1

[Crackaces]

Not to double post (New subject although) .. but does the next patch change the opening moves at all? How about Hardluckagain's thoughts on a Pskov defense?

[DeletedUser1769703214]

ORIGINAL: Crackaces

Not to double post (New subject although) .. but does the next patch change the opening moves at all? How about Hardluckagain's thoughts on a Pskov defense?

I have had no time to look at the game lately besides looking at postings and making posting on the forums along with my one turn a week on Dinglirs game. But 30,000 foot view at the patch notes seems to favor the Russians digging in and that is a good thing for a better defense & would venture to say that helped the Pskov defense.

[tyronec]

Not to double post (New subject although) .. but does the next patch change the opening moves at all? How about Hardluckagain's thoughts on a Pskov defense?

Have started two games under the new patch and from the Axis perspective played much the same opening move.
The air base bombing is a little different with reduction in damage from tactical bombers.
Early few moves am using more APs on leaders.
There are strategic implications for Axis of the increased cost of HQBs and better Soviet entrenchment. However how that pans out also depends on how STAVKA defends, it is difficult to judge. Axis need to set objectives for '41 that can be achieved so may need to be more conservative in what they try to accomplish.

For the Soviets I think the improved entrenchment gives them more options and more sophistication around planning their defence. Perhaps that is how the game was before I started playing. Presumably they can also be more aggressive too if they can judge where Axis have the possibility of HQBs.

One puzzle for me is why the Soviet OOB seems a bit down on troop numbers for the first few moves. Have these men been dropped out or will they deploy as Soviet divisions fill out.

[morvael]

I think it's smaller because of reduced size of HQ units. This manpower wasn't fighting anyway.

[tyronec]

So if I understand this right Soviet HQs are smaller so initial manpower is less.
In the short term doesn't effect combat value. Soviets will get less men back from disbanding corps HQs. However when they build more Armies in the future will take less manpower ?

[Nix77]

ORIGINAL: tyronec

So if I understand this right Soviet HQs are smaller so initial manpower is less.
In the short term doesn't effect combat value. Soviets will get less men back from disbanding corps HQs. However when they build more Armies in the future will take less manpower ?

The manpower drop comes from removed support squads. The reduction was quite dramatic, 500 squads => 200 squads in an army, that's a reduction of 6000 men (new army will take 4000 men instead of 10000 men). The manpower goes to good use, but the fatigue reduction & support effect of the HQs is equally reduced.

[tyronec]

The manpower goes to good use

So am not sure fully I understand this. The original Soviet OOB is less because their armies have less support squads. Are those men in the pool or are they just lost ?
Then when corps are disbanded it will generate less manpower.

Will be interesting to see what impact the smaller HQs has, presumably not easy to evaluate.

[Nix77]

ORIGINAL: tyronec

The manpower goes to good use

So am not sure fully I understand this. The original Soviet OOB is less because their armies have less support squads. Are those men in the pool or are they just lost ?
Then when corps are disbanded it will generate less manpower.

Will be interesting to see what impact the smaller HQs has, presumably not easy to evaluate.

That's true, I didn't consider what the initial manpower situation would be, maybe Morvael can comment on that?

Corps got lowered 5000 men to 720 men... There's 83 disbanding corps, that's 350k+ men off the Soviet OOB! I hope that's taken into account when making the support change?

EDIT: If the case is really that the Soviet OOB gets cut by 350000 men, please Morvael look into this as a bug report!

[morvael]

Denniss is making data/scenario changes, he must comment on this.

[Nix77]

ORIGINAL: morvael

Denniss is making data/scenario changes, he must comment on this.

I've reported this as a bug in the 1.11.01 (is it the correct place?). Cutting Soviet OOB by 215k+ and at the same time cutting their HQs support ability (while keeping the Germans on old levels) can't be the intended effect?

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[Crackaces]

ORIGINAL: HardLuckYetAgain

ORIGINAL: Crackaces

Not to double post (New subject although) .. but does the next patch change the opening moves at all? How about Hardluckagain's thoughts on a Pskov defense?

I have had no time to look at the game lately besides looking at postings and making posting on the forums along with my one turn a week on Dinglirs game. But 30,000 foot view at the patch notes seems to favor the Russians digging in and that is a good thing for a better defense & would venture to say that helped the Pskov defense.

Which .. ignoring Riga and getting units East might be the ticket ..maybe motorizing an inf division since the cost of HQBU is so high now ..