Where JTCS went wrong

[tevans6220]

ORIGINAL: barker

At no time did I state to shut up nor to go away.....prior to blasting me please read what I have posted

I never said that you said it personally but it was said and you by participating in the piling on pretty much backed that sentiment as did everyone else.

[marcbarker]

Well I went down this road a while back and it just is not worth the drubbing and bad feelings....All I want to do is improve this game somehow in whatever capacity I can lend to it. My pet peeve was the encryption. EA was not an Issue with me because I don't play it when AI but grown accustomed to it in PBEM.

These validity in what was stated and what the concerns are but frankly they have been said many a time and a many a time they were either lambasted or ignored. Just remember you are correct this is a niche' market with a small client base.

Now if Matrix really wanted to control the software upgrade and etc...have them go to steam....I had Red Orchestra....bad experience with that and never will go back to steam but the game is a good one. Another Good one is silent Hunter...Submmarine game Love the game highly moddable but a DRM is attached.... you have to good with bad.

There is more good in this game but I am afraid the bad is taking the forefront and hiding the good parts of it.

Marc

[tevans6220]

ORIGINAL: MrRoadrunner

Uh, are you implying that I am lying? Hmmm...
You seemed like a more reasonable guy who would defend himself without resorting to sophomoric slams at the beginning of an argument. One's that you could roll your eyes later and say, "that's not what I meant".
If what I said is true then your point falls like a house of cards.

See what I mean. Already the personal attacks because you disagree with me. I never implied that you were lying. I simply stated that even if everything you said was true there were other ways to handle things.

ORIGINAL: Mr.RoadRunner
Rene seems to have nothing but vitriol to bring every time he posts lately. Can we expect, then, that all of us who have heard the same negative things for years will not want to hear it all again?
Jason and company are volunteers. What more can you expect from them? What Rene expects is not going to happen? How can it be, unless volunteers who dedicate time and money to develop the game beyond the presently possible, step up and donate valuable time?
I am an enthusiast of CS. What Matrix has done both met and exceeded my expectations for this old game. I did not like some of the changes and expressed them many times. I do not come on here every time I post and complain about the same things. Why should he have that "privilege"?

Could it be possible that the vitriol is entirely because of the way some of you people treat him on these forums? If he's such a pain in the ass as you imply, what's wrong with using the ignore button? Telling him to shut up and go away as Hawk did is ignorant. Anybody that condones that type of action is also ignorant. Just because you think a certain way or decide to not complain everytime you post doesn't mean that everyone has to follow in your footsteps. It isn't your forum. You are a guest here the same as osiris, me and everybody else. You don't get to make the rules.

ORIGINAL: Mr.RoadRunner
I agree with some of this. If I moderated the forum many posts would not see the light of day. Then I'd be accused of being heavy handed and driving "potential customers" away. You can argue both sides of your above comment for the rest of time. Can't you?

There aren't two sides to this. Basically what I've read and witnessed is that a moderator and some "volunteers" mistreated a customer because they 1. don't like him? 2. don't like his opinions? 3. think he's a pain in the ass? or 4. all of the above?. You tell me. What gives any of you the right to treat anybody that way? Just because you volunteer and are a contributor to the game doesn't mean you have special privileges. The guy had an opinion. You don't like it, fine. But there's absolutely no call for treating the guy like dirt, telling him to shut up and go away or piling on by condoning those who do it.

ORIGINAL: Mr.RoadRunner
Oops! I thought you already made a final point? [:'(]
*** I am sorry Jason, we lost you a Modern Wars customer. *** Even though Modern Wars is a stand alone item and will be supported differently by Matrix?

I neither like your opinion or dislike your opinion. You seem like a good guy who can mix it up with grizzled old grogs? Some of us have been around the block with CS ... a few times over.

I may have strong opinions but I'll never apologize for having them. I won't dance around all "nicey nicey" so guys like you, or Rene, don't get their feelings hurt.

Honestly I don't give two hoots whether you like my opinion or not. Being around the block with CS or volunteering, modding, designing or whatever doesn't give you the right to treat people bad just because you disagree with them. You have an ignore button. Use it. The last thing you'll ever do is hurt my feelings in a forum about a stupid game. This is entertainment. Not life and death. Seems to me what you're saying is that it's okay for you to have strong opinions but no one else can. Life doesn't work that way. Everybody is entitled to their opinion. Ignore those you disagree with and you'll be better off. Treating people like dirt by telling them to shut up and go away is just plain ignorant. Condoning someone else who does it is just as ignorant.

[Jason Petho]

ORIGINAL: tevans6220

There aren't two sides to this. Basically what I've read and witnessed is that a moderator and some "volunteers" mistreated a customer

My responses to the thread are as follows:

+1

I would be curious to know what kind of graphics should be implemented in the game? Let alone who is going to spend the thousands of hours to replace each and every unit graphic?

I eagerly await your $75,000 USD cash injection to cover my expenses for a year plus another $75,000 USD to hire a dedicated programmer for a year and I'll get on it right away!

And what did Matrix say to your idea? You have just as many connections as I do, with the exception of being able to "moderate" the forum.

And why would Matrix want to split any small profits they would make from such a game (considering those who want it upgraded have bought it already), when they are getting all the labour for free now? A partnership over pennies doesn't make a lot of sense to me.

HAL is useless, no arguement there.

I just need a programmer that can fix it.

Care to explain how I mistreated the customer?

Jason Petho

[MrRoadrunner]

ORIGINAL: tevans6220See what I mean. Already the personal attacks because you disagree with me. I never implied that you were lying. I simply stated that even if everything you said was true there were other ways to handle things.

If you think pointing out your sophomoric slam and that you accuse me of a lie is a personal attack then you need to look up personal attack in the dictionary. You simply do not know what it means?

ORIGINAL: tevans6220Could it be possible that the vitriol is entirely because of the way some of you people treat him on these forums? If he's such a pain in the ass as you imply, what's wrong with using the ignore button? Telling him to shut up and go away as Hawk did is ignorant. Anybody that condones that type of action is also ignorant. Just because you think a certain way or decide to not complain everytime you post doesn't mean that everyone has to follow in your footsteps. It isn't your forum. You are a guest here the same as osiris, me and everybody else. You don't get to make the rules.

I'd like to see how much of this forum that you have read and where you got your psychology degree.
I asked no one to follow me or even agree with me. I say what I mean and I mean what I say. If you can understand that and disagree then fire away. Simply saying you don't like what I say is not a really good argument.
I believe that every post for the past couple of years from Rene was a negative, biting, message that went against Jason and crew for almost all things that they did.
This last bout was simply the icing on the cake. It was crap icing that iced a crap cake. Defend him if you must. Attack me if you wish. Use more pseudo psychology if you can.

ORIGINAL: tevans6220
There aren't two sides to this. Basically what I've read and witnessed is that a moderator and some "volunteers" mistreated a customer because they 1. don't like him? 2. don't like his opinions? 3. think he's a pain in the ass? or 4. all of the above?. You tell me. What gives any of you the right to treat anybody that way? Just because you volunteer and are a contributor to the game doesn't mean you have special privileges. The guy had an opinion. You don't like it, fine. But there's absolutely no call for treating the guy like dirt, telling him to shut up and go away or piling on by condoning those who do it.

Now you erect a "strawman" to argue your point. Come back when you grow up.
You can search my posts and/or ask anyone here, I have been most vocal on some of what I do not like about what the team has done.

ORIGINAL: tevans6220
Honestly I don't give two hoots whether you like my opinion or not. Being around the block with CS or volunteering, modding, designing or whatever doesn't give you the right to treat people bad just because you disagree with them. You have an ignore button. Use it. The last thing you'll ever do is hurt my feelings in a forum about a stupid game. This is entertainment. Not life and death. Seems to me what you're saying is that it's okay for you to have strong opinions but no one else can. Life doesn't work that way. Everybody is entitled to their opinion. Ignore those you disagree with and you'll be better off. Treating people like dirt by telling them to shut up and go away is just plain ignorant. Condoning someone else who does it is just as ignorant.

Listen "bubby do right", don't dare to tell me what or what not to do with the ignore button. I will shove the ignore button up your arse if I wanted. At the moment I am giving you an opportunity to join the discussion or leave the discussion.
Makes no difference to me. I can wait for your next silly post and silly comments. Even if you repeat yourself within the same post or post over and over to say the same things.

Believe me. You are too much fun now to ignore.
I think a movie about you might be in order. If I have the time to waste, of course! [:D]


RR

[marcbarker]

been there done that don't take it personal it is just humor as it ebbs and flows like the tide at the low mark

[Wolfie1]

For god's sake, someone lock this!!

[marcbarker]

how true