[QUOTE]Originally posted by cb:
1. The issue here is that WBW claimed that Matrix had introduced a "revolutionary new feature" in SPW@W that was not, in fact, new but something that had been around since 1995 or thereabouts. That stands. No one have refuted that.
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So what?
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I first heard about MatrixGames and SPw@w on Monday, and of SPWW2 when I started reading this thread, so I have absolutely no knowledge of the history of these games or their developers and no bias. I have never even played any version of SP (but will when v4 appears as it looks excellent!)
This thread is just plain silly. The "point" being made is totally irrelevant.
CB, to be honest your continually repeating the same points is being just as emotional, aggressive and negative towards the "other" team as you claim the others are being. Come on fellas, nobody did anything WRONG so why not just let it go...
...and it seems a bit harsh to say that Matrix can't take negative feedback when I see all the work that been put into developing and constantly enhancing SPW@W. That must have been due to "negative" but "constructive" comments.
It seems a shame to me if two development groups who are presumably both working hard to build better games for the benefit of the gaming community are bickering. Since SPW@W (and SPww2?) is/are free downloads (which I find astonishing considering the amount of work that has gone into them) they are not strictly in financial competition so there is no need; is there?
Not that it occurs just on this site. I have spent most of my time on the PanzerElite site and, sadly, there are similar pointless rows going on there.
Everyone ultimately has the same interests and has better things to do... so chill out!
I have just spent half an hour reading through this improductive drivel.
I use the forum to be informed about developments in the game, general information about what is coming and ideas to play better. I read as much of its contents as i can, because SPWAW is important to me. I also enjoy the occasional historical debate.
This is the first time that as a forum user I have felt that another user has clearly been abusing the forum and wasting mine and everybody's time.
My sympathies to Wild Bill and the moderators who have been extremely civilized about all this, but I do feel that someone who wastes everybody else's time as much as cb has done without adding anything to anyone should by now be barred from ever posting again.
I too have no affiliation with Matrix.
The download figures are surprising, but speak for themselves.
The only edge SPWW2v3 has on SPWAW is the extra elevation levels.
Having said this, I am one of those people who dowloaded SPWW2 (the extra elevation being the main attraction). Since then I have picked it up and played it a fraction of the times that I have played SPWAW.
I am working on three separate new scenarios for SPWAW, with mental notes on starting at least another four. I have no plans to design scenarios for SPWW2v3, despite the attraction of the extra elevation levels.
I am rooting for the chance that SPWAW develop extra elevation levels (two or three will do, guys, no need to go to fifteen).
Why? Because SPWAW is so much better in every other way!
SPWW"v3's biggest weakness, IMO, is that it was not moved onto the Windows platform. Then come the graphics, that are simply outclassed.
Incidentally, I don't know about anybody else, but my attempts to find, let alone join their forum have always met with failure. I gave up some weeks ago. Do they have one, and does it work as well as this one?
What gets under our skin is the name calling and off comments Claus can not just control himself. We do not like to close or delete anything on this forum unless we really must. No matter how much we feel Claus is wasting all of our time kept the clean. I will lock the forum but leave it online.