I believe I told you once that Suva was a poor choice for a SoPac hub due to the restricted waters and approaches to it making it a sub commanders dream. Some lesson we just have to learn for ourselves though. [;)]
I once had a sub there take "reported" hits from ASW planes on a daily basis and yet remained operational for several months. It just goes to show how overblown and rife with FOW the overzealous reports of ASW pilots truly are.
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RE: Buried in the Sunset (Marbakka [A] vs. Texas_D [J]) - Reluctant Admiral 4.1
I don't see why the "restricted waters" around Fiji should result in what I'm seeing in game. I had the same problem with Pago Pago last game, but in that game he didn't have but 1 sub down there. This game, he has at least 4. I rather suspect the problem is my poor and scant destroyers, but that will be remedied by the end of the week.
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RE: Buried in the Sunset (Marbakka [A] vs. Texas_D [J]) - Reluctant Admiral 4.1
Hans, don't forget that RA uses the stacking limits that are found with DaBabes based scenarios. I will change my defensive strategy somewhat based on this info.
You can place this division in Strat Mode, move to Eastern USA base. Once there, you can select Cape Town as objective without having to change commands. Once at Cape Town, you will need to use up some valuable PPs to get the troops on board ships to head for India or Australia. I also do this for some of the air groups assigned to the 10th Air Force command that comes into India in the months ahead. Each of these moves takes over 30 days before they show up at Cape Town.
27th Inf Div has arrived at March Field and I have set it to plan for Melbourne. I won't be able to afford the PP for this until 1947, but its good to plan ahead.
You can place this division in Strat Mode, move to Eastern USA base. Once there, you can select Cape Town as objective without having to change commands. Once at Cape Town, you will need to use up some valuable PPs to get the troops on board ships to head for India or Australia. I also do this for some of the air groups assigned to the 10th Air Force command that comes into India in the months ahead. Each of these moves takes over 30 days before they show up at Cape Town.
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Combat Report - 12/20/1941
- The weather finally cleared up over the DEI. The mKB has moved NW into the Java Sea. "Radio chatter" tells me that it took a stab down into the Banda Sea to try to get Force Z but the weather was so bad that no flights could leave the decks. The current position relative to the last spotting 2 days ago is consistent with that claim. Thank you, typhoon!
- In a comical bit of timing, my battered INF unit on Mindanao found itself all alone in the captured city of Malaybalay last turn. So I had ordered the unit to retake the base with a shock attack. It automatically occupied the base at the beginning of the turn (wish I'd known it would do this) and then in the afternoon executed the shock attack order. By that time a Japanese unit had move into the hex. 300 friendlies dead/0 enemies.
Orders Summary - 12/21/1941
- Force Z will slowly move back into position. Houston BG will touch Sorong and then turn back toward Darwin for fuel.
- My CVs should be refueling at sea starting the day after tomorrow
- Ordered my Ichang army (1440 AV) to leave its forested hex and move toward Hankow. He is STILL pressing more into the attack of Changsha. I also have enough AV moving on the base NE of Hankow that I will probably take it and thus cut the rail line. However, they will immediately abandon it as his nearby troops are more than enough to push them back out.
I haven't seen the KB2 in a while. That is the detachment of 2 enemy fleet carriers that covered the landing at Palembang. I'm fairly certain that the KB1 is in port, but it could be back at sea tomorrow as I did not damage to it during it's opening jaunt around the Pacific. I'm hoping he concentrates his carriers somewhere other than SOPAC so that I can actually use mine.
- The weather finally cleared up over the DEI. The mKB has moved NW into the Java Sea. "Radio chatter" tells me that it took a stab down into the Banda Sea to try to get Force Z but the weather was so bad that no flights could leave the decks. The current position relative to the last spotting 2 days ago is consistent with that claim. Thank you, typhoon!
- In a comical bit of timing, my battered INF unit on Mindanao found itself all alone in the captured city of Malaybalay last turn. So I had ordered the unit to retake the base with a shock attack. It automatically occupied the base at the beginning of the turn (wish I'd known it would do this) and then in the afternoon executed the shock attack order. By that time a Japanese unit had move into the hex. 300 friendlies dead/0 enemies.
Orders Summary - 12/21/1941
- Force Z will slowly move back into position. Houston BG will touch Sorong and then turn back toward Darwin for fuel.
- My CVs should be refueling at sea starting the day after tomorrow
- Ordered my Ichang army (1440 AV) to leave its forested hex and move toward Hankow. He is STILL pressing more into the attack of Changsha. I also have enough AV moving on the base NE of Hankow that I will probably take it and thus cut the rail line. However, they will immediately abandon it as his nearby troops are more than enough to push them back out.
I haven't seen the KB2 in a while. That is the detachment of 2 enemy fleet carriers that covered the landing at Palembang. I'm fairly certain that the KB1 is in port, but it could be back at sea tomorrow as I did not damage to it during it's opening jaunt around the Pacific. I'm hoping he concentrates his carriers somewhere other than SOPAC so that I can actually use mine.
RE: Buried in the Sunset (Marbakka [A] vs. Texas_D [J]) - Reluctant Admiral 4.1
I believe that base NE or Hankow is Sinyang? You may want to check if it has a garrison requirement. If it does, it complicates your plan to abandon it right away - you lose PP every turn between abandonment and his re-occupation. You can start your troops marching out of the hex before he gets there and put them in rest or combat mode to slow their pace such that they are almost out of the hex when he arrives and will be gone in the turn he attacks. Sort of like playing "tag" and dodging the guy who is "it".
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RE: Buried in the Sunset (Marbakka [A] vs. Texas_D [J]) - Reluctant Admiral 4.1
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I believe that base NE or Hankow is Sinyang? You may want to check if it has a garrison requirement. If it does, it complicates your plan to abandon it right away - you lose PP every turn between abandonment and his re-occupation. You can start your troops marching out of the hex before he gets there and put them in rest or combat mode to slow their pace such that they are almost out of the hex when he arrives and will be gone in the turn he attacks. Sort of like playing "tag" and dodging the guy who is "it".
You don't lose PPs, the enemy gains 1 VP and partisans damage facilities. So at the cost of a single VP per trun you get damage done to a base the enemy will be reusing soon.
NY59giants: I did not indeed take reduced stacking limits into account regarding choosing Pago Pago over Suva. I really don't use or advocate PP as a unit distribution hub, but as a supply and especially fuel distribution hub. For that purpose you only need enough engineers ashore to make a rapid port buildup. I prefer Auckland for a unit distribution hub for both SoPac and SwPac.
And yes the lurking sub(s) around PP are just as difficult to sink with pathetic ASW as at Suva, but at least at PP you have more choices of ways to route around the sub(s) you have constantly spotted but can't ever seem to succeed in sinking. That is what I meant about the approaches to Suva being more restricted.
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RE: Buried in the Sunset (Marbakka [A] vs. Texas_D [J]) - Reluctant Admiral 4.1
As he said, you lose VP not PP. in either case it doesn't matter because he has troops right next to it ready to attack. To be honest, it is unlikely that I'll take it anyway because he saw the troops headed that way last turn. I expect he hopes to trap them there and that that is why he hasn't started his troops marching. 2 turns of recon show no more than 5500 troops there verses my 300+ AV. However, my recon planes had to focus on the other two cities to keep me from charging into them blind.
RE: Buried in the Sunset (Marbakka [A] vs. Texas_D [J]) - Reluctant Admiral 4.1
Mea Culpa - I meant to say VP vs PP. However, since my Op Report says that I "lose" VP whenever I fail to meet garrison requirements and partisans attack, I assumed these were deducted from my total, not added to the enemy's total. Either way works, I guess.
Your attack on Singyang may not have taken place but since your main plan was to get him to commit troops away from Changsha, you have achieved something anyway. Kudos, marbakka.
Your attack on Singyang may not have taken place but since your main plan was to get him to commit troops away from Changsha, you have achieved something anyway. Kudos, marbakka.
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RE: Buried in the Sunset (Marbakka [A] vs. Texas_D [J]) - Reluctant Admiral 4.1
Combat Report - 12/21/1941
- The mKB bombed Soerabaja's port damaging the handful of ships that remained there. CL Mauritius got hit but it only did 15 SYS damage
- I left 3 INF units in Manila in the hopes of holding off capture for long enough to get some submarines repaired. Today, he made a scouting attack with 30 AV. 2 fleet subs finished repairing and are returned to service. The only other thing I can accomplish by staying is to transfer more supplies to CF or, if it lasts 2 more days, get an S-class sub out. The rest of the repairs will take over a month. I'm going to scuttle them or send them out to die at sea. I doubt I'll be able to get much out in supply before the real attack comes, so I am inclined to move this rear guard to CF.
- There were two serious attacks in China last night and one for giggles. In the north, across the river from Loyang, the Japanese attacked Tsiaotso with about 800 AV. I had 661 AV in defense and the battle gave him 1 to 2 odds. My guys performed fairly well (especially for Chinese troops), but I feel confident that he will take it after resting his troops a bit. He will then be in a position to build up forces before crossing the river to Loyang. It is almost time to evacuate Yenan in the north. I can't let them get cut off up there.
- The second Chinese battle of importance was in Changsha where he clearly is serious about his attack. A deliberate attack of 2193AV had 1 to 1 odds against my 1034. I knew he was pouring troops in there, but I didn't realize he would have this many so fast. The attackers included the 3rd, 6th, 40th, 39th, 13th, and 34th Divisions. I have a bunch more troops that I can pour into the city, but my main reserve of 1000 AV that usually stays in Changteh is out of position. As it is, I'm not sure I can get enough reinforcements into the city in time. I do have 150 AV that were on the railroad from the west already. They should arrive tomorrow, but they won't be much help in strat mode.
- The giggles battle was in Kweiteh which is a dot base on his rail line far behind his lines. I moved troops there if I didn't think they could make it back to the main line. As a result, I have 685 AV there. He evidently wasn't expecting that when he attacked with 172. He had 13x the casualties.
SigInt: The 12th RGC Temp. Division is located at Sinyang. I have a bunch of troops that should arrive there soon. Let's hope that unit is as weak as it's name seems to imply.
- The mKB bombed Soerabaja's port damaging the handful of ships that remained there. CL Mauritius got hit but it only did 15 SYS damage
- I left 3 INF units in Manila in the hopes of holding off capture for long enough to get some submarines repaired. Today, he made a scouting attack with 30 AV. 2 fleet subs finished repairing and are returned to service. The only other thing I can accomplish by staying is to transfer more supplies to CF or, if it lasts 2 more days, get an S-class sub out. The rest of the repairs will take over a month. I'm going to scuttle them or send them out to die at sea. I doubt I'll be able to get much out in supply before the real attack comes, so I am inclined to move this rear guard to CF.
- There were two serious attacks in China last night and one for giggles. In the north, across the river from Loyang, the Japanese attacked Tsiaotso with about 800 AV. I had 661 AV in defense and the battle gave him 1 to 2 odds. My guys performed fairly well (especially for Chinese troops), but I feel confident that he will take it after resting his troops a bit. He will then be in a position to build up forces before crossing the river to Loyang. It is almost time to evacuate Yenan in the north. I can't let them get cut off up there.
- The second Chinese battle of importance was in Changsha where he clearly is serious about his attack. A deliberate attack of 2193AV had 1 to 1 odds against my 1034. I knew he was pouring troops in there, but I didn't realize he would have this many so fast. The attackers included the 3rd, 6th, 40th, 39th, 13th, and 34th Divisions. I have a bunch more troops that I can pour into the city, but my main reserve of 1000 AV that usually stays in Changteh is out of position. As it is, I'm not sure I can get enough reinforcements into the city in time. I do have 150 AV that were on the railroad from the west already. They should arrive tomorrow, but they won't be much help in strat mode.
- The giggles battle was in Kweiteh which is a dot base on his rail line far behind his lines. I moved troops there if I didn't think they could make it back to the main line. As a result, I have 685 AV there. He evidently wasn't expecting that when he attacked with 172. He had 13x the casualties.
SigInt: The 12th RGC Temp. Division is located at Sinyang. I have a bunch of troops that should arrive there soon. Let's hope that unit is as weak as it's name seems to imply.
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OH! I almost forgot. He landed at Adak about 1 turn before my own transports were due to arrive. I have no clue why my light SAG (YPs mostly) did not attempt to stop the landing. It's pretty frustrating actually. I'll divert the troops to Kodiak or the mainland. Haven't decided yet.
RE: Buried in the Sunset (Marbakka [A] vs. Texas_D [J]) - Reluctant Admiral 4.1
An overview of the first few weeks. It's pretty hard to see anything at all. Something I haven't mentioned much is his push into the Solomons. He's been pretty relentless down here. I think he is getting close to a point where he may take a shot at PM. Enterprise and Lexington are on the way.
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RE: Buried in the Sunset (Marbakka [A] vs. Texas_D [J]) - Reluctant Admiral 4.1
Best way I can think of to get supplies from Manila to Clark is to use the buttons on the Base Info screen to draw all the supply to Clark. Move your troops right away and Manila will only retain enough supply for any troops remaining in the city and the rest will move to Clark.
Looking at your map, Suchow is a vital RR crossroads and is likely lightly held. If you can push aside the pesky unit beside you and move on it he will be forced to send troops. No nearby bases means they will have to march for several days and you could hold Suchow and sever his southern supply link for a while.
Looking at your map, Suchow is a vital RR crossroads and is likely lightly held. If you can push aside the pesky unit beside you and move on it he will be forced to send troops. No nearby bases means they will have to march for several days and you could hold Suchow and sever his southern supply link for a while.
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RE: Buried in the Sunset (Marbakka [A] vs. Texas_D [J]) - Reluctant Admiral 4.1
I did some recon of Suchow 4-5 days ago and it seemed well protected. That's why I kept them where they are.
RE: Buried in the Sunset (Marbakka [A] vs. Texas_D [J]) - Reluctant Admiral 4.1
Orders Summary - 12/22/1941
- It's distribution time in Pearl Harbor. I've sent a CD battery and an ART unit to Midway. This should bring the garrison there up to within 100 of the stack limit. Johnston Island is also getting an ENG unit. Canton's reinforcements should arrive within a day or so. Christmas Island will receive the INF unit that WAS bound for Adak until he took it out from under my nose.
- I transferred the B17s from Soerabaja to Perth. I think we're pretty much done trying to accomplish anything with them in the DEI. I'm working on getting Alice Springs build up to a lvl 4 airfield, but it is taking a long time.
- In China, I pushed some more troops into Changsha, but it will take them a while to get there. Not sure if they can make it in time.
- My CVs will meet with the replenishment fleet tomorrow and stop for a drink before continuing on to New Zealand
- Houston BG is headed back south to join up with Force Z. With the mKB parked off of 'Baja, I'm starting to think about just withdrawing these ships to fight in the Solomons. No decision yet.
- It's distribution time in Pearl Harbor. I've sent a CD battery and an ART unit to Midway. This should bring the garrison there up to within 100 of the stack limit. Johnston Island is also getting an ENG unit. Canton's reinforcements should arrive within a day or so. Christmas Island will receive the INF unit that WAS bound for Adak until he took it out from under my nose.
- I transferred the B17s from Soerabaja to Perth. I think we're pretty much done trying to accomplish anything with them in the DEI. I'm working on getting Alice Springs build up to a lvl 4 airfield, but it is taking a long time.
- In China, I pushed some more troops into Changsha, but it will take them a while to get there. Not sure if they can make it in time.
- My CVs will meet with the replenishment fleet tomorrow and stop for a drink before continuing on to New Zealand
- Houston BG is headed back south to join up with Force Z. With the mKB parked off of 'Baja, I'm starting to think about just withdrawing these ships to fight in the Solomons. No decision yet.
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RE: Buried in the Sunset (Marbakka [A] vs. Texas_D [J]) - Reluctant Admiral 4.1
I've sent a CD battery and an ART unit to Midway.
This looks good, but doesn't add much in the way of Assault Value to your defense. They will both damage and maybe sink a few transports, but not stop an invasion. I would consider sending an independent infantry regiment here. Force him to send in a division to take the place. When you get a chance, ship in some fuel and base two or three S-boats here for the next few months. Later in the game an AS to reload your subs operating off Japan helps to cut down turnaround time.
I transferred the B17s from Soerabaja to Perth.
I would have sent them to India. You can easily get more B-17s from Pearl and the USA. The B-17D models lack a rear gun, but have greater range than the E or F models. You can actually hit Sian from Ledo which is a surprise to Japanese players. [:)] You can send them quickly to Chungking and then bomb his ships at Takao if he gets lazy and leaves little CAP overhead. Sending some of your British Recon planes briefly to China for a few days is always good. Use them for some hit and run missions to force him to leave CAP on rear area AFs.
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RE: Buried in the Sunset (Marbakka [A] vs. Texas_D [J]) - Reluctant Admiral 4.1
A regiment will overstack Midway.
You can never put enough ground AV on a 6,000 capacity atoll to prevent it being taken.
The only way to make an invasion attempt fail is by naval/air intervention.
You can never put enough ground AV on a 6,000 capacity atoll to prevent it being taken.
The only way to make an invasion attempt fail is by naval/air intervention.
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RE: Buried in the Sunset (Marbakka [A] vs. Texas_D [J]) - Reluctant Admiral 4.1
True, but as the Allies you can afford to pay the supply for the overstacking. I have plenty of small xAKLs I use from Pearl to deliver supplies and fuel. If they get sunk, it isn't a big deal. I use an understrenght regment on Midway for the first six months or so and then pull it out. I want to make Japan pay for the base and give the Allies a chance to hit him with air and naval from Pearl.
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Combat Report - 12/22/1941
- A second day of bombing the port at Soerabaja lands a couple more bomb hits on CL Mauritius. I believe she is up to 35 SYS damage, none of it major. The mKB drifted slightly to the SE, but remained in the Java Sea. It is really getting under my skin that I can't do a single thing to stop him from sitting there bombing the mess out of Soerabaja. Some AA units arrived today, but they will take 2-3 days to unpack. My fighter CAP there is pathetic.
- My CVs did not link up with the replen fleet like I'd planned. I was off by a hex. Frustrating.
- Another day of fighting in Changsha. Forts are down to 2 with 1 to 4 odds in my favor. It won't last, though, and I'm not sure my reinforcements can make it in time. I'm starting to think about how to handle a retreat from the area if he takes it. It MIGHT be possible to retake it since I've got a large force causing problems for him in his rear and he'll have to deal with it sooner or later.
- Manila falls. I am reduced to Clark Field and Bataan. Now that the possibility of more troops arriving is past, maybe I can get these guys organized where CF isn't overstacked and sucking down supplies. BTW, I'm pleased to report that the DD and AO that I sent out toward Midway has made it through the Philippine Sea and will pass midway between Iwo Jima and the Marianas tomorrow. They still have a long way to go, but it is nice to see something salvaged. I also got 3 subs repaired and out during the last few days in Manila.
- I'm starting to see some submarine activity in the Bay of Bengal. Specifically, west of Rangoon where my cargo fleets are shipping to Rangoon. A serious problem in this theater is the land of solid DDs. In fact, I have a SAG in Trincomalee headed up by 2 CAs that I refuse to allow out of port because the best we can come up with for ASW are a couple KVs. Speaking of Rangoon, I realized just now that Colombo is completely drained of supplies. I don't remember shipments from Cape Town taking this long last game, or maybe I just didn't notice because I didn't make many shipments to Rangoon in that game.
- An enemy LCU of unknown strength is attempting to cut off the last of my troops fleeing to Pegu from the south. I'll have to update you guys on my Burma defense in the next day or so. In the meantime, 16 B17s out of Calcutta are going to be dropping some leaflets on this unit kindly requesting that they proceed no further.
- A second day of bombing the port at Soerabaja lands a couple more bomb hits on CL Mauritius. I believe she is up to 35 SYS damage, none of it major. The mKB drifted slightly to the SE, but remained in the Java Sea. It is really getting under my skin that I can't do a single thing to stop him from sitting there bombing the mess out of Soerabaja. Some AA units arrived today, but they will take 2-3 days to unpack. My fighter CAP there is pathetic.
- My CVs did not link up with the replen fleet like I'd planned. I was off by a hex. Frustrating.
- Another day of fighting in Changsha. Forts are down to 2 with 1 to 4 odds in my favor. It won't last, though, and I'm not sure my reinforcements can make it in time. I'm starting to think about how to handle a retreat from the area if he takes it. It MIGHT be possible to retake it since I've got a large force causing problems for him in his rear and he'll have to deal with it sooner or later.
- Manila falls. I am reduced to Clark Field and Bataan. Now that the possibility of more troops arriving is past, maybe I can get these guys organized where CF isn't overstacked and sucking down supplies. BTW, I'm pleased to report that the DD and AO that I sent out toward Midway has made it through the Philippine Sea and will pass midway between Iwo Jima and the Marianas tomorrow. They still have a long way to go, but it is nice to see something salvaged. I also got 3 subs repaired and out during the last few days in Manila.
- I'm starting to see some submarine activity in the Bay of Bengal. Specifically, west of Rangoon where my cargo fleets are shipping to Rangoon. A serious problem in this theater is the land of solid DDs. In fact, I have a SAG in Trincomalee headed up by 2 CAs that I refuse to allow out of port because the best we can come up with for ASW are a couple KVs. Speaking of Rangoon, I realized just now that Colombo is completely drained of supplies. I don't remember shipments from Cape Town taking this long last game, or maybe I just didn't notice because I didn't make many shipments to Rangoon in that game.
- An enemy LCU of unknown strength is attempting to cut off the last of my troops fleeing to Pegu from the south. I'll have to update you guys on my Burma defense in the next day or so. In the meantime, 16 B17s out of Calcutta are going to be dropping some leaflets on this unit kindly requesting that they proceed no further.
RE: Buried in the Sunset (Marbakka [A] vs. Texas_D [J]) - Reluctant Admiral 4.1
Concur with Michael. You've got the supply to overstack the base. A full RCT their that is prepped would be a NASTY surprise.
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RE: Buried in the Sunset (Marbakka [A] vs. Texas_D [J]) - Reluctant Admiral 4.1
Combat Report - 12/23/1941
A couple quick turns today.
- His deliberate attack at Kweiteh a few days ago showed me that his attacking force was weak. I went on the offensive and had 9 to 1 odds. I believe I destroyed something like 70 of his squads. This is the dot base on the rail line well inside his lines.
- My aggressiveness in the woods SE of Changsha did not see anything close to that kind of success. Those troops will be licking their wounds for a while.
- My garrison NE of Loyang did well against the attackers once again. I think he will have to rest his troops now. Fine with me. My own troops are seeing some great training up there.
- Another day of bombing in Soerabaja. This time my fighters decided to work together and we shot down a goodly number of Vals and Kates. He actually moved his fleet even closer to the port this time.
- He is running recon over PM pretty much every turn. I need fighters there BAD, but I've got nothing to put there unless I remove the P40s from Ambon. I can FEEL the attack on Port Moresby coming. I need these carriers to get over in this area faster.
A couple quick turns today.
- His deliberate attack at Kweiteh a few days ago showed me that his attacking force was weak. I went on the offensive and had 9 to 1 odds. I believe I destroyed something like 70 of his squads. This is the dot base on the rail line well inside his lines.
- My aggressiveness in the woods SE of Changsha did not see anything close to that kind of success. Those troops will be licking their wounds for a while.
- My garrison NE of Loyang did well against the attackers once again. I think he will have to rest his troops now. Fine with me. My own troops are seeing some great training up there.
- Another day of bombing in Soerabaja. This time my fighters decided to work together and we shot down a goodly number of Vals and Kates. He actually moved his fleet even closer to the port this time.
- He is running recon over PM pretty much every turn. I need fighters there BAD, but I've got nothing to put there unless I remove the P40s from Ambon. I can FEEL the attack on Port Moresby coming. I need these carriers to get over in this area faster.