NFC East Slapdown: NY59Giants (A) vs 1EyedJack & Rysyonok (J) - BTS

[ny59giants]

Carriers and additional major warships found in BTS

Japan:
KB1 - CV Akagi (78), Amagi (78), CVL Ryukaku (33) CS Chiyoda (24)
BC Ishitaka, CL, 7 DD....Pearl

KB2 - CV Shokaku (72), Zuikaku (72), CVL Kushiro (24)
BC Kirishima & Hiei, CL, 7 DD....Pearl

KB3 - CV Hiryu (69) & Soryu (69), CVL Tokachi (24)
BC Kongo & Haruna, CL, 6 DD....Babeldoab

KB4 - CVL Ryuho (39), Shoho (31), Zuiho (31)
2 CL, 7 DD....CRB

CVEs - Taiyo (27), Hosho (18), Ibuki (18), CL, 3 DD....Saipan

Allies:
Lexington (90) TF - CA Portland & Astoria, 7 DD....SW Johnson Island

Enterprise (90) TF - CA Chester & Northamton, 9 DD....NE Johnson Island

Saratoga (90) TF - CA Rome & Burlington, 7 DD.... San Diego

Scouting TF - CVL Jacksonville (18), BC Ranger & Constellation, CA Salt Lake City & Indianapolis, 6 DD.... NW of Pago Pago at Willis Island

CVL Charlotte (18) TF - CA Pensacola, 3 DD....Darwin

CVL Wellington (15)....Aukland

CVL Melbourne (15)....Sydney (2 DDs there and 2 DDs at Melbourne)

CL Boise - sister ship CL Dallas and 4 modern DD

CA Houston - sister ship CA Chicago and 4 old DDs that usually start at Manila

[topeverest]

Your airpower is significantly augmented. you must be thinking about one or more CV ambushes.

Perhaps I should ask the question another way. What will your early strategy be?

[ny59giants]

Perhaps I should ask the question another way. What will your early strategy be?

Keep my carriers afloat!! [:D]

Enterprise and Lexington are headed south to meet Scouting TF and have CVL Jacksonville joining one of them. Plans are to have a CVL (and hybrid) added to each American CV TF. I have a American Inf Rgt that starts at Sacramento headed for San Fran prepping for Canton Island. Two regiments of 2nd Marine Division and some engineers (BF and Construction) are at or headed for San Diego to go to Christmas Island. Want to make at least some effort to secure my SLOC through this area to SoPac. Meanwhile, Saratoga with escorts will head for Aleutians. Once KB 1 & 2 leave Hawaii, a SC TF with two CLs and some DDS will headed north. Yorktown and CVL King's Mountain come in at end of December. So, in early January, I hope to have the Allied "Death Star" with 4 CVs and 4 CVLs in SoPac or beyond.

Meanwhile, CVL Charlotte is headed NW from Darwin to get close enough Soerabaja to get my SBD-1 there to upgrade to -2 (greater range). Once Hermes is repaired they will head south to form small CV TF.

I have the extra CL Dallas and CA Chicago in lower Philippines area and SRA. However, with the latest version of DBB OOB done by Symon/JWE, there are less Dutch Aviation Support. I'll be more aggressive as Allies as i have more, but will need to see how aggressive Cribtop is.

[John 3rd]

Clarification:

US Hybrids are CLV: think CL PLUS V for the heavier then air.
Aust/NZ Hybrids are CAV: 8" Guns AND TTs and V for the...

I have been using my pair of CAV in Treaty Mod vs Lew and tey are fun little ships with tiny air groups that can cause a weeeee bit of problem from time-to-time. Their 15 Zero Fighter complement has been their biggest asset to this point.

[ny59giants]

Date: 41 Dec 9th - Thundering Herd hit

Key: TT = Torpedo; bb = ground bombardment; c = casualties; b = base hits; s = supply hits; r = runway hits; p = port hits; f = fuel hits; AV = Assault Value; DC = Depth Charged; (*) = destroyed aircraft; If odds are italics, they are the Allies; BG = Bomber Group of 48 planes (4 x 12 bomber squadrons); FG fighter group = 25 fighter planes if American

Landings:
NONE!!

CVs:
KB1 - 18 NW Pearl at 166,99
KB2 - 18 NW Pearl at 166,99
KB3 - 3 E Davao at 82.90
KB4 - 3 East Kuantan at 54,78
CVEs - MIA day 3 (starts at Saipan)

Subs:
RO-34 sinks AVD SW of Bataan
RO-33 sinks an xAP off Tawi Tawi
I-153 sinks AG 4 east of Balikpapan
I-166 hit once by Brit DD and then she misses a TK

SC TF:
CA Maya & Ashigara & 2 DDs - about 200 miles off NW Luzon they sink 2 xAKs, 3 xAKs, 2 xAKLs
CA Nachi, Myoko, Haguro & 4 DDs - just south of Jolo to Tawi Tawi sink AV Langley, xAP & 3 xAKLs, 2 xAKLs, 2 xAKLs
CL Natori & 6 DDs sink 6 PT boats off Vigan & San Fernando in multiple battles

India/Burma: Not yet [;)]

China:
Hong Kong - 10 Nate, 16 Lily, 1 Sally, 18 Sonia, 21 Ida (total)
Nanchang - outside base 11 Nate, 8 Sonia

Malaya:
Alor Star - Elements of 11th Indian Division are trying to get in "Strat Mode" are hit by 54 Lily, 64 Sally with 24 Oscars (total)
Kuantan - 9 Zero, 22 Betty, 9 Nell

Philippines:
Manila -
Clark - 26 P-40s get 1 of 5 Zero on sweep before 45 Zeros down 7

SRA: [>:]

New Guinea/Solomons: [>:]

Central Pacific:
Guam -

Ground combat at Guam (106,95)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 5677 troops, 94 guns, 12 vehicles, Assault Value = 181

Defending force 432 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 1

Japanese adjusted assault: 85

Allied adjusted defense: 3

Japanese assault odds: 28 to 1 (fort level 1)

Japanese forces CAPTURE Guam !!!

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), leaders(+), leaders(-)
Attacker: leaders(-)

Allied ground losses:
518 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 24 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 4 destroyed, 0 disabled
Units destroyed 1

Assaulting units:
1st Sasebo Assault Division

Defending units:
102nd USN Stn Base Force

South Pacific: [>:]

North Pacific: [>:]

Engineers: some bases get their first forts, others are now up to 2.

Intel:

Notes/Plans:
Air Losses: 18 Allied with 17 P-40s and 12 for Japan

Sunk: 6 PT, AV Langley, AVD, AG, 3 xAPs, 5 xAKs, 10 xAKLs - "Thundering Herd" got hit pretty hard by subs and 3 CA & 4 DDs in NW corner of Celebes Sea between Jolo and Tarakan.

Orders were given to CL Boise & Dallas plus 4 DDs AND CA Houston & Chicago and 4 DDs from Balikpapan to go to FULL SPEED to the hexes were CA Nachi, Myoko, Haguro & 4 DDs were last turn. Hope to give Cribtop at least a bloody nose and escape before KB3 can get to them. Meanwhile, CL Durban & Dragon are just south of Singkawang were ordered to Miri at Full Speed where transports are two hexes north of the base. Force Z will slide down to Semerang from Batavia.

Over at Pearl, 4 subs will head north to the western Aleutians bases to act as trip wires. Two Brooklyn Class CLs, Phoenix & Honolulu and 6 DDs head due east before they head to Alaska while two Helena Class CLs, Helena & Archorage (new BTS ship) with 6 DDs head slightly SE before headed south towards Line Islands. Fast support ships head SE and will end up in Society Islands.

There are NO transports off Luzon!! [X(] Where are 48 ID and 65th Bde?? My PBYs from Bataan don't see any around Luzon, only warships. "Spidey Senses" are going off without Cribtop telling me he is experimenting.

Large number of TFs 3 to 4 hexes slightly north of east off Kuantan. I suspect an invasion of Mersing in the next day or two.

[topeverest]

That's pretty odd force and attack deployment. I wonder what Cribtop is up to? I am curious if Fortress Palembang might be in order.

[ny59giants]

I just eliminated my Deb 8th post and replaced with Dec 9th post. [:(] Oops!! I was suppose to copy it and edit in a new post.

[ny59giants]

Only got Combat Replay back from Cribtop late last night. He reports it was "bloody." I'll wait to I get the game file before I view it.

[ny59giants]

Date: 41 Dec 10th - Thundering Herd hit again...and is no more

Key: TT = Torpedo; bb = ground bombardment; c = casualties; b = base hits; s = supply hits; r = runway hits; p = port hits; f = fuel hits; AV = Assault Value; DC = Depth Charged; (*) = destroyed aircraft; If odds are italics, they are the Allies; BG = Bomber Group of 48 planes (4 x 12 bomber squadrons); FG fighter group = 25 fighter planes if American

Landings:
Kuantan with 4th & 21st ID, 6 Tk; Miri;

CVs:
KB1 - 8 South of Midway at 157,99
KB2 - 8 South of Midway at 157,99
KB3 - 4 SE Legaspi at 84, 85 - Attacked shipping I was trying to hide in various ports around Philippine Archipelago. I lose an AO, AS, xAP, 2 xAK, xAKL, 2 TKs
KB4 - 3 ESE Kuantan at 54,80
CVEs - MIA day 4 (starts at Saipan)

Subs:
Sculpin is sunk by RO-34 of Tawi Tawi
I-153 sinks an small xAP off Balikpapan
KXIII hit once at Kuantan

SC TF:
CA Myoko, Haguro, Nachi and 4 DD are to east of Tarakan = PG, 6 xAKLs and xAK sunk
CA Maya, Ashigara and 2 DD to west of Bataan get two more xAKLs fleeing Hong Kong

Day Time Surface Combat, near Miri at 64,87, Range 16,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
APD Aoi, Shell hits 6, and is sunk
TB Kasasagi, Shell hits 9, and is sunk
xAK Hokko Maru, Shell hits 3, heavy fires
xAK Zinzan Maru, Shell hits 12, heavy fires, heavy damage
xAK Kinkasan Maru, Shell hits 21, and is sunk
xAK Giyu Maru, Shell hits 10, and is sunk
xAKL Kembu Maru, Shell hits 11, and is sunk
xAKL Kiko Maru, Shell hits 8, and is sunk
xAK Anbo Maru, Shell hits 16, and is sunk

Allied Ships
CL Dragon, Shell hits 1
CL Durban, Shell hits 1

A least those troops will not be leaving. [;)]

Day Time Surface Combat, near Tawi Tawi at 71,90, Range 20,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
CA Hirado, Shell hits 3
CA Suzuka, Shell hits 2
CA Takao, Shell hits 2
CA Atago, Shell hits 3
DD Arashio, Shell hits 6, heavy fires
DD Akatsuki, Shell hits 1, on fire
DD Hibiki, Shell hits 1, on fire

Allied Ships
CL Boise, Shell hits 9, heavy fires, heavy damage
CL Dallas, Shell hits 4
DD Paulding, Shell hits 1
DD Mayrant, Shell hits 1
DD Trippe, Shell hits 10, heavy fires, heavy damage
DD Paulding, Shell hits 3, heavy fires

I was hoping to slow down the Japanese CA forces operating between Tarakan and Jolo. Boise sinks later. [:(] CA Houston and Chicago with 4 DDs end up one hex away and don't attack today.

India/Burma:

China:
Hong Kong - 10 Nate, 21 Lily, 10 Sally, 17 Sonia, 21 Ida (total)
Nanchang - south of base 9 Nate, 9 Sonia
Hwainan - west of base 18 Nate, 9 Ann

Malaya:
Kuantan - 25 Zero and 5 Tojo sweep the base before a series of bombers come in - 24 Oscars, 71 Sally, 50 Lily
Alor Star - 19 Sally

Philippines:
Manila - 19 Betty hit nothing at night; 44 Zeros sweep vs 35 P-40s and I lose 12 for only one. Time to get out of here very soon.
Clark -

SRA: [>:]

New Guinea/Solomons: [>:]

Central Pacific:

South Pacific: [>:]

North Pacific: [>:]

Engineers: some bases get their first forts, others are now up to 2.

Intel:

Notes/Plans:
Air Losses: Allied numbers climb to 32 while Japan is only 13

Sunk: 14 xAKL, 4 xAK, 2 xAP, 2 TK, AO, AS, Sculpin, PG, DD, CL Boise and Japan 2 xAKL, 3 xAK, APD, TB

CA Houston and Chicago will hang around Tarakan to try to get at CAs that may be low on ammo.

Still trying to figure out what Cribtop is doing as many "Free Troops" still haven't shown up.

[JocMeister]

Looks like a good start for you! [:)]

Whats a "Dallas" and what are those DDs? And why is there 2 "Pauldings"? [:D]

[ny59giants]

Date: 41 Dec 11th - Southern Luzon invaded

Key: TT = Torpedo; bb = ground bombardment; c = casualties; b = base hits; s = supply hits; r = runway hits; p = port hits; f = fuel hits; AV = Assault Value; DC = Depth Charged; (*) = destroyed aircraft; If odds are italics, they are the Allies; BG = Bomber Group of 48 planes (4 x 12 bomber squadrons); FG fighter group = 25 fighter planes if American

Landings:
Legaspi with elements of 48th ID;

CVs:
KB1 - 12 East Wake Is. at 147,99
KB2 - 12 East Wake Is. at 147,99
KB3 - 4 East Legaspi at 86, 82
KB4 - 5 East Kuantan at 56, 79
CVEs - MIA day 5 (starts at Saipan)

Subs:

Submarine attack near Pago Pago at 149,162

Japanese Ships
SS I-168

Allied Ships
xAP Queen Elizabeth

xAP Queen Elizabeth is sighted by SS I-168
SS I-168 launches 2 torpedoes

I skipped a few heart beats here!! [X(]

I-154 sinks an ARD to east of Soerabaja with 2 TT hits

SC TF:

Night Time Surface Combat, near Tawi Tawi at 71,90, Range 5,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
CA Hirado
CA Suzuka, Shell hits 1
CA Takao, Shell hits 1
CA Atago
DD Akatsuki
DD Hibiki, Shell hits 3, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk

Allied Ships
CA Houston
CA Chicago, Shell hits 1
DD John D. Ford
DD Stewart
DD Peary
DD Pillsbury
DD Pope

Poor visibility due to Rain with 46% moonlight
Maximum visibility in Rain and 46% moonlight: 6,000 yards

Cuttlefish will not be happy with Cribtop as he lost his DD in less than a week. [:D] I'm not happy about the limited damage done. TF will head back to Soerabaja to reload. She will add CL Dallas to the TF there.

India/Burma:
Tavoy - NE of base 21 Sally

China:
Hong Kong - 448:433 forts down to 2
Nanchang - south of base 10 Nate, 8 Sonia
Hwainan - west of base 18 Nate, 9 Ann

Malaya:
Kuantan - 42 Lily, 67 Sally

Ground combat at Kuantan (51,79)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 24617 troops, 198 guns, 18 vehicles, Assault Value = 814

Defending force 3378 troops, 42 guns, 35 vehicles, Assault Value = 98

Japanese adjusted assault: 507

Allied adjusted defense: 53

Japanese assault odds: 9 to 1 (fort level 2)

Japanese forces CAPTURE Kuantan !!!

Allied aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft losses
Blenheim I: 2 destroyed
Hudson I: 1 destroyed

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), forts(+), leaders(+), disruption(-)
preparation(-), morale(-), experience(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
134 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 13 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled

Allied ground losses:
1633 casualties reported
Squads: 35 destroyed, 47 disabled
Non Combat: 93 destroyed, 5 disabled
Engineers: 16 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 38 (38 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Vehicles lost 34 (34 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Units retreated 2
Units destroyed 1

Assaulting units:
4th Division
21st Division
6th Tank Regiment

Defending units:
22nd Indian Brigade
3rd HK&S Light AA Regiment
1st ISF Base Force

Philippines:
Manila - 44 Zeros sweep the empty skies. Two of the now depleted P-40 groups (35 FG) will wait for PPs before flying to China while the two airgroups of 24 FG will head for Australia via Mindanao.
Clark -
Tuguegarao - empty base falls Ind Eng Rgt

SRA:
Miri - 21:1 FALLS!!

New Guinea/Solomons: [>:]

Central Pacific:

South Pacific: [>:]

North Pacific: [>:]

Engineers:

Intel:

Notes/Plans:
Sunk: DD and xAP

CV Lexington, Enterprise and Scouting Force TF with 2 BCs are now 2 SE of Baker headed due west.

CVL Melbourne and rest of Aussie navy is SE of Brisbane headed NE to met Americans.

CVL Wellington is one day NE of Aukland with 2 DDs headed north to met Americans.

CV Saratoga is 17 hexes west of West Coast headed for Dutch Harbor.

CVL Charlotte TF and Force Z are off southern tip of Borneo. What to do with them??

[ny59giants]

Date: 41 Dec 12th - Pace slows down

Key: TT = Torpedo; bb = ground bombardment; c = casualties; b = base hits; s = supply hits; r = runway hits; p = port hits; f = fuel hits; AV = Assault Value; DC = Depth Charged; (*) = destroyed aircraft; If odds are italics, they are the Allies; BG = Bomber Group of 48 planes (4 x 12 bomber squadrons); FG fighter group = 25 fighter planes if American

Landings:
Legaspi with elements of 16th ID;

CVs:
KB1 - 6 SE Wake Is. at 140,101 - 7 of 12 Wildcats lost to sweep of 26 Zeros; 24 Zeros follow and find empty skies; 57 Zeros escort in 65 Kate and this is followed by another 44 Kate. They barely scratch the runways. [;)]
KB2 - 6 SE Wake Is. at 140,101 - with KB1
KB3 - 9 NE Davao at 86, 87 (seems to be patrolling off eastern Philippines)
KB4 - MIA
CVEs - MIA day 6 (starts at Saipan)

Subs: [>:]

SC TF: [>:]

India/Burma:
Tavoy -
Mergui - 21 Sally

China:
Hong Kong - 48 Betty, 55 Nell; 25 Lily, 10 Sally, 21 Ida; another deliberate attack lowers forts to 1.
Nanchang - south of base 10 Nate & 4 Sonia;

Ground combat at 84,55 (near Nanchang)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 18648 troops, 142 guns, 24 vehicles, Assault Value = 558

Defending force 4724 troops, 43 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 121

Japanese adjusted assault: 375

Allied adjusted defense: 9

Japanese assault odds: 41 to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender: leaders(+), morale(-), experience(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
138 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 16 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Allied ground losses:
1744 casualties reported
Squads: 102 destroyed, 32 disabled
Non Combat: 47 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 5 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 14 (10 destroyed, 4 disabled)
Units retreated 1

Defeated Allied Units Retreating!

Assaulting units:
39th Division
12th Ind.Mixed Brigade

Defending units:
21st Chinese Corps

Hwainan - due west sees 18 Nates & 9 Ann

Malaya:
Temuloh - 1 east sees 43 Sally hit remnants from Kuantan

Philippines:
Manila - no sweeps today!!
Clark -
Legaspi -

Ground combat at Legaspi (82,82)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 4122 troops, 40 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 450

Defending force 0 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 0

Japanese adjusted assault: 121

Allied adjusted defense: 1

Japanese assault odds: 121 to 1 (fort level 0)

Japanese forces CAPTURE Legaspi !!!

Combat modifiers
Attacker:

Assaulting units:
16th Recon Regiment
16th Engineer Regiment
9th Infantry Regiment
20th Infantry Regiment
Kimura Det
Miura Det

SRA: [>:]

New Guinea/Solomons: [>:]

Central Pacific: [>:]

South Pacific: [>:]

North Pacific: [>:]

Engineers:

Intel:

Notes/Plans:
A quiet day of war. I'll take it. [;)]

[topeverest]

I agree this is a good start. I'd keep raiding and expense the entire dutch fleet and much of the allied minor. I typically use POW and R until and unless they die as very powerful counterpulse tools. Are they still alive? SOOO many good places to hide a fleet and counterpulse.

[ny59giants]

Prince of Wales - I would like to use her more, but part of me doesn't as she has a significant AA platform. She will probably end up with the two American BCs that are with the American CVs and become part of a SC TF leading my CVs. Thus, any Japanese SC TF that comes after my CVs 'should' need to go through 3 BC and many DDs. Add in, that this SC TF will attract torpedoes vs my CVs.

Right now, KB4 (3 CVLs) are to east of Malaya while KB3 (Soryu, Hiryu, CVL) are east of Philippines. His CAs are probably back at CRB reloading.

[ny59giants]

Not to steal space in Jocke's AAR, but in RA and now in BTS, the Americans have dedicated training groups in USA (3 Army, 3 Navy, 2 Marine). I spent PPs on first day to get good leaders and in less than week their morale is already at 99 and training has begun. With these type groups, you can fill to 3x the number. So my size 36 groups have 108 pilots. Add in the ability to spend PPs on airframes throughout the war and the air war may turn out to be more bloody.

[JocMeister]

ORIGINAL: ny59giants

Not to steal space in Jocke's AAR, but in RA and now in BTS, the Americans have dedicated training groups in USA (3 Army, 3 Navy, 2 Marine). I spent PPs on first day to get good leaders and in less than week their morale is already at 99 and training has begun. With these type groups, you can fill to 3x the number. So my size 36 groups have 108 pilots. Add in the ability to spend PPs on airframes throughout the war and the air war may turn out to be more bloody.

What kind of planes can you "buy"? P47s? P38s? And how much do you have to pay for them?

[topeverest]

Yes, please explain. I've been in a mod for 2 years and it wont end for another. I haven't started a stock or RA game in at least 4.

[Lowpe]

ORIGINAL: JocMeister

What kind of planes can you "buy"? P47s? P38s? And how much do you have to pay for them?

Texans, Martlets and Fulmars. Maybe the Wirraway, although that might effect game balance.[:D]

[ny59giants]

I get my first airframes on 15th and they come in mid-month for many months, but the cost varies.

April 15th: (screenshot)
The 10 B-24s cost 220 PP.
The 12 B-25s cost 160 PP.
The 12 P-40Bs cost 90 PP.

May 15th:
The 16 P-38Es cost 160 PP.

So you can buy some of the older airframes cheaper.

[JocMeister]

Wow. The P-38s are an instant buy. Wouldn´t hesitate a second to buy them. Thats a bargain!

Does the PP cost stay roughly the same? I mean in -44 12-16 planes will be a drop in the ocean!