AE PDF Manual Revision

[Yaab]

Is it dead?

[Rainsong94]

Maybe a kickstarter would help Alfred or somebody else? I'm willing to put in $30.

[Symon]

ORIGINAL: FightinJoe94
Maybe a kickstarter would help Alfred or somebody else? I'm willing to put in $30.

That’s not really what it takes. It isn’t money. People, in this Title, contribute without regard to dollars.

People contribute in terms of interest. You want it, and you go after it long and hard, and you just might get it. But a new manual is simply a passing fancy. Everybody wants it, but nobody wants to work for it. Those that do (Alfred, etc..) are ignored when they work on it, and urinated on when they don’t have a suitable product in a suitable time frame.

That’s pretty much the way it is. Certain people, like warspite1, make smarmy comments about this that highlight their immaturity. But the situation is what it is. You guys don’t want to contribute. You all want someone else (like Alfred) to do it for you: but God help the poor puke if he makes an error, or does something that a JFB or AFB finds offensive.

There’s people that spend weeks, months, breaking the game and think the manual should reflect their efforts. You all know exactly why you won’t get a new Manual.

Ciao. JWE

[warspite1]

ORIGINAL: Symon

ORIGINAL: FightinJoe94
Maybe a kickstarter would help Alfred or somebody else? I'm willing to put in $30.

That’s not really what it takes. It isn’t money. People, in this Title, contribute without regard to dollars.

People contribute in terms of interest. You want it, and you go after it long and hard, and you just might get it. But a new manual is simply a passing fancy. Everybody wants it, but nobody wants to work for it. Those that do (Alfred, etc..) are ignored when they work on it, and urinated on when they don’t have a suitable product in a suitable time frame.

That’s pretty much the way it is. Certain people, like warspite1, make smarmy comments about this that highlight their immaturity. But the situation is what it is. You guys don’t want to contribute. You all want someone else (like Alfred) to do it for you: but God help the poor puke if he makes an error, or does something that a JFB or AFB finds offensive.

There’s people that spend weeks, months, breaking the game and think the manual should reflect their efforts. You all know exactly why you won’t get a new Manual.

Ciao. JWE

warspite1

Symon I have no idea why you act the way you do. You are clearly a very knowledgeable individual in many areas – not just war and war games – and of course your contribution to this game speaks for itself. But sadly, you are allowed to get away with things (without sanction) that others would not – even assuming they wanted to act in such manner.

You ruin or sour so many threads; you seem to delight in being rude, insensitive, bullying and just generally downright unpleasant.
You preach about the Good Lord and Righteousness and yet in about 90% of your posts it is unlikely that you could be any less Christian in your treatment of others if you tried.

If you think I am being unfair let me just give you a few examples, the purpose of which are to try and make you reflect on your behaviour. I hope you will take this on board.

1. Take the Japanese Unearth Remains thread. I wrote a post disagreeing with someone who suggested Allied war crimes were every bit as commonplace and as brutal as those of the Axis powers. You then responded in with:

“You little kids have absolutely no clue. Wonderful progressive trans nazional political after-thoughts, after we spent our blood liberating Europe. And you pathetic little weasels want to whine about atrocities.

Next time, I guaran. friffin.tee, we will Not be there and you will have to stew in your own damn juices, and to hell with you.

Yeah, welcome to the new caliphate and prepare your daughters as whores for the the jihadists”

BUT there was a problem (apart from the fact that the above post is, itself, outside of Forum rules) i.e. in responding you made it look like I had posted the original comment by posting my name against the statement someone else made.

I pointed out that you were not just quoting me out of context – you actually attributed to me, a position the very opposite of what I believe. Your response? Well having accused me of writing something I hadn’t, instead of apologising for the mistake you simply abused me further…..

“I been there warspite1 and done that. I fought for your pathetic ass when I didn't have to. Only reason you idiots exist is because we are here. You hate it: tough sh*t;

Ciao JWE”

Why would you behave in that way when a simple apology would have closed the matter?

2. Then there was the If the Japanese did not build Super-Battleships thread. A poster, DeltaV112 made some suggestions in a perfectly polite, non-controversial manner about his thoughts and opinions. For his trouble he got this obnoxious bullying response from you:

“You seem to be a simple wargame weenie talking about simple wargame weenie things. The detail in this forum is beyond simple wargame weenie nonsense. Almost all of your statements are wrong. You obviously know nothing about real ship design or real armament dispositions

You are clearly a troll with nothing to add to the discussion. Your statements on ship design/performance parameters are laughable. My SNAME (Society of Naval Architects and Marine Engineers) number is 37613. What’s your’s?

[ed] If you want to play on these threads, then you need to learn. If you don't want to learn, then go play on the main board, or go somewhere else”.

Please re-read this. Is that righteous? Is that Christian? No, it’s disgusting, bullying behaviour – and you should be thoroughly ashamed of yourself.

3. Recent thread about France in WWII. A sensitive subject came up – the attack on Mers-el-Kebir. Posters with opposing views on the attack were able to post in a grown-up, measured fashion – recognising how contentious the subject matter is. And then you choose to wade in with:

“After Mers-al Kebir, I wouldn't trust a Brit to piss in a round pot. Don't give a rats how many crocodile tears Churchill wept”.

Yeah – real mature, real grown-up response there. And you called me immature……

4. Thread during the World Cup 2014. Cannonfodder made a perfectly reasonable remark to the effect that Luis Suarez was an idiot (for the biting incident) in the Quarter-Final. There had been no unpleasantness leading up to it or any contention with the comment. Your response – completely out of the blue?

“Yeah, and you are obviously someone who we should listen to.

Kiss my grits. JWE”.

Where did that come from? You appear unhinged when you come up with stuff like this. And yet it is tolerated…..

5. Then the pilot leader ratings thread, in which you advocate shooting people that you don’t like to improve the gene pool.

“Wonder why it is that whenever a developer responds to a question all the little cockroaches run for cover and the thread is curiously silent thereafter. And then come out in a few weeks/months and repeat their silly pronunciamento, as though nothing ever happened.

Apparently, the forum is not interested in 'what is', just in how they might want it to be, and that differs for every individual.

It's obviously a useless exercise, because they are fat, smelly, 12 year olds, that can't learn unless someone gets their attention. So apart from just shooting them (a general improvement to the gene pool) it might be best to ignore them”.

Christian? No.
Warranted? No
Offensive? Oh yes
Against forum rules? Yes indeed
Childish? Damn right.

Oh and by the way, I didn’t mention the following quite bizarre post. This was made remember after you insulted Leandros and no doubt someone had a quiet word in your ear. I mention it now because – I remind you - in the post above you suggested that I was immature…..

“I must apologize to Mr Leander. My grandchildren often post under my login. They are teens and full of beans. They think it's harmless but it isn't. I have taken steps to insure they can no longer pretend to be JWE. Sorry for the flurry of nonsense. John”

You post in your usual, obnoxious style to insult someone – and we are supposed to believe your grandchildren made the posts. THAT is not immature behaviour Symon, no, THAT is just plain sad.

Anyway, you claim you are Christian. I hope you will read the above and realise that your behaviour is totally unacceptable and will seek to change.

[Alfred]

The project is not dead.
 
And no, it is most definitely not a question of needing a financial kick start.
 
I have decided that the revision should be up to the standard of the last official patch.  Currently I am still finishing a game which has not yet, and will not be, updated to the latest official patch.  On current progress I anticipate I will finish my current game in about 4 weeks.  Then I will update.
 
In the interim some of you may have noticed that I have made several detailed and expansive posts on game mechanics. These can be viewed as scoping studies, in part because I haven't decided whether they should appear as new appendices or alternatively just provide hyper links in the revised PDF manual back to these forum posts.  It does strike me as being somewhat odd that people consistently raise issues on the forum without first having searching to see if I have posted on the subject.  Of course it is always better to have a dev comment on an issue and thankfully both wdolson and Symon often still do.  But in their absence one should not dismiss what I post.  It is disquieting to consistently see that any Tom and Dick's forum comments based on seat of the pants research is preferred to my research.
 
An example of the "scoping studies" I have been doing is that for most of the last week I have been drafting a 101 guide on river crossings.  This was prompted by a recent thread on river crossings which put up two older threads on the subject and which were contradictory and contained several quite erroneous answers.  Interesting that the OP did not link back to a thread where I gave the correct answer.  As I said above, somewhat disquieting.  Nonetheless I have drafted the 101 guide but in a departure from my previous practice, this one will be very visual.  The current longhand draft (yes I draft in longhand before I approach the computer for my 101 guides, and then do computer drafts) has 16 diagrams.  I think I have covered all the relevant elements, I just now have to attempt to draw them in Paint and insert them into a Word document.  As I do other things, I don't spend 16 hours a day 7 days a week on AE matters, it probably will be the end of this week at the earliest before the river crossing guide is posted.
 
The last thing I will say about the manual revision project is that from where I sit there is a very strong argument to just start from scratch and write up a new document rather than altering the existing manual.  Yes that would entail a much greater timeframe but it would allow, in theory, for more up to date screen shot captures.  This is another issue I will fully turn my mind to when I update to the latest official patch and can see the screen changes made by michaelm.  I bet that most of you had not taken that aspect into account.
 
Alfred

[Symon]

Wow. The little 12 year olds are out on the hard in their motorscooters. Woof !!

I think you all can see, now, just why it isn't going to happen.

Ciao. JWE

[DD696]

Well said, Sir Warspite1.

JWE had been allowed to spew out his vile comments for ages now.

He does have some good knowledge and had contributed to the game a great deal, but his viperous personality always strikes out and shames only himself. At least, the powers-that-be did crack down on his Euro-Nazi tirades in the past and his use of other log-in names, and we can thank them for that - but he never changes, and he will go on and on with his childish, mindless insults.

[AW1Steve]

Let's cut the crap! NOW! Don't make me stop this car , separate you , or call a moderator! [:(][:-][:-][:-] EVERYBODY CHILLOUT , TAKE FIVE AND GO TO YOUR ROOMS!!!! There is ONE unforgivable sin on the forum. NO PERSONAL ATTACKS! What part of that statement don't you "gentlemen" understand? [:@][:@][:@]

[warspite1]

ORIGINAL: AW1Steve

Let's cut the crap! NOW! Don't make me stop this car , separate you , or call a moderator! [:(][:-][:-][:-] EVERYBODY CHILLOUT , TAKE FIVE AND GO TO YOUR ROOMS!!!! There is ONE unforgivable sin on the forum. NO PERSONAL ATTACKS! What part of that statement don't you "gentlemen" understand? [:@][:@][:@]

warspite1

Correct. So why is JWE/Symon/Osterhaut[?] or whatever he's calling himself at the moment able to get away with this CONSTANTLY?

That last post of his calling me immature was not the worst and ordinarily would not even register - but was simply the straw that broke the camel's back. You defend that behaviour (see my earlier post) all you want by making out I am no better than him - that's up to you. But I've had enough of it.

[DD696]

That is quite a strange comment to make from someone who has said that I should be playing "Chutes and Ladders" rather than this game. I did take that to be a rather personal attack, wouldn't you?

[AW1Steve]

Warspite , you might be right but I expect more from you then "mom , he hit me 1st!". I didn't refer to who started it, I asked you all to be adults and stop it. Please show me that my faith in you is justified.

[AW1Steve]

DD696 If you want to take it as a personal attack , you will and nothing I say will change that. Revisit the conditions of my "attack" , look at the context. If you still think I'm attacking you , and not your conduct, then so be it. I hope it makes you feel better. Whatever...

Now gentlemen, lets stop this before and adult comes into the room and locks the thread and puts some of us for a "time-out".

[Treetop64]

Well, that's literally the first time in years that I've pressed the green button on a member in this forum. He'd be right at home in the World of Tanks forum. Good grief...

[dr.hal]

Warspite, why not just hit the "green" button on him? Life is too short, just ignore those that detract from it!

[warspite1]

ORIGINAL: dr.hal

Warspite, why not just hit the "green" button on him? Life is too short, just ignore those that detract from it!

warspite1

I never use the Green Button on anyone - right or wrong. As for ignoring it, let me take just two examples:

1. The response to DeltaV112. Imagine its you and how you would feel if that is directed at you.

2. I have no doubt you have many people on this forum you like/admire and whose opinion of you and what you believe matters. How would you feel if someone puts in writing against your name a view point that is 100% opposite to values that you hold dear. I think that is a serious thing. I think that is hard to ignore. I think that is unacceptable.

[dr.hal]

Well we all deal with stress/conflict in our own way... I just see the green button as a tool, to be employed when needed. And when there are "slings and arrows" I normally consider the source and act accordingly...

[wdolson]

Sorry for not stepping in sooner. I just caught up with this thread after being out for a while.

John, there is no need to call people's maturity into question because you disagree with them. Not everyone knows all the details about everything and just because it's been said before doesn't mean that the person asking again should know about what went on before they were here.

I'm locking this. I think the attacks are obscuring the original topic.

Bill