Olorin [J] vs JocMeister [A]

[Lokasenna]

ORIGINAL: Lowpe

ORIGINAL: Lokasenna


Keep in mind that the factories will repair at the same rate relative to their maximum size. Over many trials, a 60-point factory will repair to 60 in the same amount of time that a 30-point factory will repair to 30.


That's about 1000 HI that I won't get back! [:'(]

Not my personal experience that they repair in the same amount of time, but there is a die roll involved so perhaps I am just unlucky.

You can use those Zeroes as trainers somewhere surely. Barring that they make great long range escorts for strikes in unexpected places during the late game. 1000 hvy industry points surely won't be a factor...

1000 won't be, no. We'll see if I use them as LR escorts later on, but probably won't. I have the A6M3a for that, after all. Also no point in adding too many planes to training units, so most of those only have a few airframes. Maybe that would change if I see raids over Honshu.

[Olorin]

ORIGINAL: SqzMyLemon
Just thought I'd offer my viewpoint as a counter to some of the comments regarding your air R&D. Like you, I'm kind of a pay early and often for expansion and then rely on making up the supply later as expansion costs level out. I should add that I have NO experience of the late game, so my opinions have no hard evidence to back them up. I have no idea whether my economy would have collapsed in 44/45. [:D]

1. The biggest supply hit you will take early is the 100 supply per point of expansion setting up all your factories.

2. Your R&D factories will not repair everyday (only engine factories will repair daily), so the supply cost is spread out over months/years.

3. You will capture some supply from the Allies, which will facilitate your expansion supply costs.

4. In my games, I too spent over 2 million in R&D and was still able to pool 5-11k of supply/day.

5. You can turn off repairs if you find yourself draining too much supply at times.

Now a caveat to all this is that I have never played for AV. I've always played a conservative Japan by essentially capturing the historic perimeter and then playing for the mid/late game. Because I've not had much combat in 1942 and early 1943, I've been able to divert that supply into R&D. I'm also a believer in expanding factories earlier than later. I'd rather expand in 1942 when I can, rather than risk not being able to expand in 1943 and onwards due to military commitments. The fact you are attempting AV and have such an extensive supply expenditure for R&D could mean you run into supply deficits, but you'll be a better judge of what is happening to your economy during this period than any of us. I get the impression you understand what you are doing and why, we'll all just have to see how things develop for you moving forward. I'm optimistic you'll be fine.

P.S. I do agree with the others on the size 60 factories. I think size 30 is optimal, 31 is you want to cover all the bases. It's easy enough to expand them to size 60, but after they reach size 30 and building up each point individually, or better yet having multiple factories rather than one size 60.

Thanks for offering your thoughts[:)]
It seems that with my current daily supply expenditure in the Home Islands, my economy would collapse pretty soon. Lost 35k in this turn [:-] which is not sustainable. I also expanded about 500 LI factories and and plan to expand HI in the DEI. That will have to take precedence over late war R&D. Turning off a few factories is a certainty at this point.

[SqzMyLemon]

ORIGINAL: Olorin

It seems that with my current daily supply expenditure in the Home Islands, my economy would collapse pretty soon. Lost 35k in this turn [:-] which is not sustainable. I also expanded about 500 LI factories and and plan to expand HI in the DEI. That will have to take precedence over late war R&D. Turning off a few factories is a certainty at this point.

Ah, I didn't know about the 500 LI expansion. Like you, I believe expanding LI is feasible. You could look back on my previous AAR's to see my thoughts on it. 500 is a lot though and I think it could have been spread out over the first few months. That's going to be a lot of repairs everyday. How many individual factories did you expand? You may have to resort to turning off all repairs and slowly turn them back on to generate some supply in the meantime. You'll definitely have to scale back the pace of your repairs in the short term until things get sorted.

It's a gutsy move to expand the LI as you have, something I've always wanted to try myself. I'll be following along closely and try to offer any assistance I can. Another thing, make sure you do not move any big HQ's in the Home Islands to a small base. In my game I moved whichever is the big Army HQ at Tokyo out to a smaller base and suffered massive spoilage to the tune of 20k+ a turn.

Here's to you not crashing the economy!

[Olorin]

ORIGINAL: SqzMyLemon
Here's to you not crashing the economy!

[:D]

Thanks!

I expanded 5 or 6 LI factories, they 're going to be repaired in 3+ months.

In fact your AAR is where I think I got the idea in the first place. There were discussions among the gurus (Mike Soli, Paxmondo and others iirc) and the consensus was that it was feasible to spend 1.000.000 for LI expansion. I 'll be the guinea pig for this theory. I know who to blame if I crash my economy!

[Olorin]

Dec 13, 1941

Eastern Operation:
- Lihue and Lahaina fall. 11th Air Flottila HQ is ashore.
- KB moves 7 hexes SW of PH. Got to keep moving to avoid subs.
- Four allied DDs tried to interfere with the Lahaina landing but escorts -plus a small KB afternoon strike- sunk 4 of them for the loss of 1 DD. Enemy PTs managed to sink 2 DMSs and 1 xAK.
- French Frigate Shoal captured by a small army detachment.

Philippines/Eastern DEI:
- Butuan invaded by a reinforced regiment of the 16th Army.
- Manila swept by 31 Zeros. 8 enemy fighters are shot down for the loss of 1 Zero. Followed by an airfield attack which destroyed another 3 Warhawks on the ground.
- 5 Vilderbeasts tried to attack a transport TF near Busuanga, but our Zeros based at Taytay killed all of them.
- 3rd unsuccesful deliberate attack at Manado. One SNFL unit is in strat mode for some reason. Once it's unpacked the base will fall.

Malaya/Western DEI:
- Kuching falls, but supplies are low.
- A second deliberate attack at Singkawang drops the forts to 0. Tomorrow the base will be ours.

China:
A second deliberate attack was launched at Hong Kong with underwhelming results. A delay of a few days here, while annoying, isn't very crucial.

[Olorin]

Dec 14, 1941

Eastern Operation:
- Reinforcements land on Wake and capture it.
- 18 Zeros sweep PH, losses are 1:2 in our favor.
- 20.000 tons of supplies unloaded at Lahaina. 150 Netties rebase here. Zeros are still at Roi-Namur and will need three days to reach Lahaina. Until then, Netties will only provide naval search around Hawaii.
- Enemy mines are becoming a problem. BB Kirishima hit a mineat Lahaina, floatation damage is 30.
- Another 2 xAKs are sunk by allied PTs.

Malaya/Western DEI:
- 25th Army beging march to Singapore with 1900 AV. 21st Div detached from main force to push allied remnants to the north.
- Kota Bharu airfield is now operational. 3rd Air Div attacks Singapore garrison with 100 bombers.
- Singkawang falls.

Philippines/Eastern DEI:
- Butuan falls.
- Manado attacked again with better results this time. Tomorrow the base will be ours at last.
- Busuanga port attacked by B-17s. Minor damage to an AD.

[Olorin]

Dec 15, 1941

Not much to report, almost identical day to yesterday.
No sign of enemy CV or Force Z. Hoping our apparent weekness in the DEI lures the Allies to reinforce.

Eastern Operation:
- Transport TF still unloading supplies at Lahaina.
- 3 Zero sentais sweep PH and hit empty air.
- Transport TF to invade Johnston Island is 8 hexes from target, still undetected. Jocke must have moved the Catalina detachment.

Malaya/Western DEI:
- 25th Army still marches to Singapore, 3 days from crossing the river.
- 3rd Air Div attacks Singapore garrison again.

Philippines/Eastern DEI:
- Manado falls.

China:
Hong Kong attacked again with similar results. The garrison is slowly weakened, while 38 Div is largely intact.

Ground combat at Hong Kong (77,61)
Japanese Deliberate attack
Attacking force 22347 troops, 301 guns, 181 vehicles, Assault Value = 621
Defending force 7383 troops, 130 guns, 71 vehicles, Assault Value = 132
Japanese adjusted assault: 144
Allied adjusted defense: 645
Japanese assault odds: 1 to 4 (fort level 3)

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), forts(+), experience(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
602 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 55 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 14 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled
Guns lost 3 (1 destroyed, 2 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
339 casualties reported
Squads: 44 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 10 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 3 (2 destroyed, 1 disabled)

Assaulting units:
67th Ind.Infantry Battalion
66th Infantry Regiment
38th Division
68th Ind.Infantry Battalion
19th Ind Engineer Regiment
20th Ind Engineer Regiment
20th RGC Division
3rd Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
1st Hvy.Artillery Regiment
2nd Mortar Battalion
5th RF Gun Battalion
2nd Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
2nd RF Gun Battalion
10th Ind. Mountain Gun Regiment
20th Ind. Mtn Gun Battalion

Defending units:
1st Middlesex Battalion
Winnipeg Grenadiers Battalion
Kowloon Brigade
Rifles of Canada Battalion
102nd RN Base Force
Hong Kong Fortress

[Encircled]

Unlucky with the Kirishima, but still so far, so good

[setloz]

At Hong Kong I'd reccommend bringing the 23army HQ from Canton. Even if prep will be zero for Hong Kong it will still help with AV modifiers and fatigue recovery.

[Lowpe]

ORIGINAL: Olorin
I expanded 5 or 6 LI factories, they 're going to be repaired in 3+ months.

I think that will be a real winner for your. Great strategy!

[Olorin]

We'll see![:D]

ORIGINAL: setloz

At Hong Kong I'd reccommend bringing the 23army HQ from Canton. Even if prep will be zero for Hong Kong it will still help with AV modifiers and fatigue recovery.

Good idea, I'll do it.

[Olorin]

Dec 16, 1941

Interesting day around Hawaii.

Eastern Operation:
- CV Shokaku takes a torpedo hit by SS Sriton. Flotation damage is 21(10). Will be detached from KB and head to the HI.
- Minefields claim another xAK and a DD.
- Allied exodus from PH. BB Meryland is intercepted by a sub while heading to Palmyra (11 hexes SW of PH), no hits. KB is out of range.
- KB finds a support TF instead.

Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Pearl Harbor at 176,113
Weather in hex: Heavy rain
Raid spotted at 20 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 8 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 60
B5N1 Kate x 4
B5N2 Kate x 17
D3A1 Val x 22

Japanese aircraft losses
D3A1 Val: 2 damaged

Allied Ships
AG Antares, Bomb hits 4, on fire
AD Whitney, Bomb hits 1, Torpedo hits 3, on fire, heavy damage
AG Aries, Bomb hits 3, heavy fires
AD Dobbin, Bomb hits 3, Torpedo hits 2, and is sunk
AS Pelias
AG Argonne, Bomb hits 1, on fire
AD Rigel, Torpedo hits 2, and is sunk
AE Pyro, Bomb hits 4, Torpedo hits 3, and is sunk
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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Pearl Harbor at 176,113
Weather in hex: Heavy rain
Raid spotted at 17 NM, estimated altitude 10,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 7 minutes

Japanese aircraft
B5N2 Kate x 24

No Japanese losses

Allied Ships
AG Argonne, heavy fires
AG Antares, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage
AS Pelias

- 3 Zero sentais sweep PH and hit empty air. 150 Netties attack the airfield. Bad timing. If they had naval strike orders...

Morning Air attack on Pearl Harbor , at 180,107
Weather in hex: Overcast
Raid detected at 118 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 41 minutes

Japanese aircraft
G3M2 Nell x 3
G4M1 Betty x 71

Allied aircraft
no flights

Japanese aircraft losses
G4M1 Betty: 5 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
P-40B Warhawk: 25 damaged
P-40B Warhawk: 6 destroyed on ground
P-36A Mohawk: 8 damaged
P-36A Mohawk: 1 destroyed on ground
B-18A Bolo: 5 damaged
PBY-5 Catalina: 3 damaged
PBY-5 Catalina: 1 destroyed on ground
B-17D Fortress: 7 damaged
F4F-3 Wildcat: 2 damaged
R3D-2: 1 damaged

Allied ground losses:
11 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Airbase hits 18
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 94

- A second allied AE is sunk by a sub. KB will move SE of Johnston island.
- Kona invaded by a small detachment.

[castor troy]

ORIGINAL: Lowpe

ORIGINAL: Lokasenna


Keep in mind that the factories will repair at the same rate relative to their maximum size. Over many trials, a 60-point factory will repair to 60 in the same amount of time that a 30-point factory will repair to 30.


That's about 1000 HI that I won't get back! [:'(]

Not my personal experience that they repair in the same amount of time, but there is a die roll involved so perhaps I am just unlucky.

You can use those Zeroes as trainers somewhere surely. Barring that they make great long range escorts for strikes in unexpected places during the late game. 1000 hvy industry points surely won't be a factor...

same here, had several games getting into stages R&D really played a role and never seen a 60pt R&D factory being repaired at the same time a 30pt factory was repaired, not even nearly (though it also didn't take nearly twice the time). Talking about R&D that made real sense, a 60pt factory of an ac you normally get in 4/42 might be repaired just about the time the 30pt factory is repaired too but what gives researching that ac anyway (except the Rufe which you can upgrad to the A6M5)

[Olorin]

Dec 17, 1941

Eastern Operation:
- SS Triton surely deserves a medal. After torpedoing Shokaku yesterday, CA Tone takes another one today.[&o] Damage is in the 30s, can still do 20 knots.
- Shokaku is not in danger, flt damage is reduced and speed is 23 knots.
- Following the seemingly devestating airfield attack yesterday, we were expecting PH to be closed at least for strike missions. Wasn't the case. Allied bombers attacked Lahaina, our newly arrived Zeros had some work. Our Netties hit a wall of CAP and 30 of them never returned.

Morning Air attack on Lahaina , at 182,108
Weather in hex: Thunderstorms
Raid spotted at 37 NM, estimated altitude 7,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 15 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 23

Allied aircraft
A-20A Havoc x 11
B-18A Bolo x 13
B-17D Fortress x 5

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 6 damaged
A6M2 Zero: 1 destroyed on ground
G4M1 Betty: 2 destroyed on ground

Allied aircraft losses
B-18A Bolo: 2 destroyed
B-18A Bolo: 1 destroyed by flak
B-17D Fortress: 2 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
7 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Airbase hits 2
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 5
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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Pearl Harbor at 180,107
Weather in hex: Partial cloud
Raid detected at 88 NM, estimated altitude 15,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 35 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 3
G3M2 Nell x 11
G4M1 Betty x 6

Allied aircraft
P-26A x 1
P-36A Mohawk x 14
P-40B Warhawk x 24
P-40E Warhawk x 1
F4F-3 Wildcat x 3

Japanese aircraft losses
G3M2 Nell: 7 destroyed
G4M1 Betty: 4 destroyed


Allied aircraft losses
P-36A Mohawk: 1 destroyed
P-40B Warhawk: 1 destroyed

- More allied support ships are sunk around Hawaii.
- A DD hits a mine at Lahaina and is sunk.
- Johnston Island captured. KB refueled 7 hexes SE.

Malaya:
Singapore falls:

Ground combat at Singapore (50,84)
Japanese Shock attack
Attacking force 58110 troops, 544 guns, 530 vehicles, Assault Value = 1955
Defending force 25789 troops, 284 guns, 172 vehicles, Assault Value = 326
Japanese engineers reduce fortifications to 0
Japanese adjusted assault: 1794
Allied adjusted defense: 251
Japanese assault odds: 7 to 1 (fort level 0)

Japanese forces CAPTURE Singapore !!!

Allied aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft losses
S.19 Singapore III: 1 destroyed

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), experience(-)
Attacker: shock(+), disruption(-)

Japanese ground losses:
1188 casualties reported
Squads: 9 destroyed, 130 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 22 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 12 disabled
Vehicles lost 30 (2 destroyed, 28 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
16986 casualties reported
Squads: 531 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 2246 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 91 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 380 (380 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Vehicles lost 175 (175 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Units destroyed 23

Assaulting units:
1st Tank Regiment
55th Infantry Regiment
4th Tank Regiment
4th Division
114th Infantry Regiment
6th Tank Regiment
2nd Tank Regiment
56th Infantry Regiment
23rd Ind Engineer Regiment
33rd Division
21st Infantry Regiment
5th Recon Regiment
12th Engineer Regiment
11th Infantry Regiment
22nd Recon Regiment
42nd Infantry Regiment
5th Engineer Regiment
7th Tank Regiment
1st RF Gun Battalion
18th Mountain Gun Regiment
5th Field Artillery Regiment
3rd Ind. Mountain Gun Regiment
31st Field AA Battalion
3rd Medium Field Artillery Regiment
14th Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion
35th Field AA Battalion

Defending units:
SSVF Brigade
1st Manchester Battalion
2nd Malay Battalion
2/17 Dogra Battalion
2nd Gordons Battalion
2nd Loyal Battalion
3rd Cavalry Regiment
1st Malay Battalion
27th Australian Brigade
Singapore Fortress
2nd HK&S Heavy AA Regiment
113th RAF Adv Base Force
22nd Indian Mountain Gun Regiment
24th NZ Pioneer Coy
III Indian Corps
29 Battery/3 HAA
111th RAF Adv Base Force
Singapore Base Force
224 Group RAF
Malayan Air Wing
1st Indian Heavy AA Regiment
Malaya Army
5th Field Regiment

- Empty Kuantan is captured.

China:
The beginning of the end at Hong Kong:

Ground combat at Hong Kong (77,61)
Japanese Deliberate attack
Attacking force 21145 troops, 295 guns, 180 vehicles, Assault Value = 551
Defending force 7116 troops, 128 guns, 71 vehicles, Assault Value = 136

Japanese engineers reduce fortifications to 2

Japanese adjusted assault: 250
Allied adjusted defense: 261
Japanese assault odds: 1 to 2 (fort level 2)

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), forts(+), leaders(-), experience(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
255 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 8 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 7 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 19 disabled
Vehicles lost 3 (1 destroyed, 2 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
600 casualties reported
Squads: 32 destroyed, 22 disabled
Non Combat: 4 destroyed, 14 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 9 disabled
Guns lost 16 (6 destroyed, 10 disabled)

Assaulting units:
19th Ind Engineer Regiment
38th Division
66th Infantry Regiment
68th Ind.Infantry Battalion
67th Ind.Infantry Battalion
20th Ind Engineer Regiment
1st Hvy.Artillery Regiment
5th RF Gun Battalion
2nd Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
2nd Mortar Battalion
3rd Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
2nd RF Gun Battalion
10th Ind. Mountain Gun Regiment
20th Ind. Mtn Gun Battalion

Defending units:
Winnipeg Grenadiers Battalion
Rifles of Canada Battalion
Kowloon Brigade
1st Middlesex Battalion
102nd RN Base Force
Hong Kong Fortress

[Lowpe]

Singapore captured before Hong Kong.[&o]

[Olorin]

Now...where to send all those freed divisons? Hmmm

[Olorin]

Dec 19, 1941

Eastern Operation:
- KB made a full speed run near Christmas island trying to catch the fleeing Meryland. No luck. Amphibious TF 10 hexes north of Palmyra.
- The last transport TF finished unloading supplies at Lahaina. Total supplies in all Hawaiian islands are 40.000 tons. In about a week KB will be needed again to escort more supplies, fuel, support ships, minelayers and minesweepers.
- 2 Zero sentais sweep PH and down 18 enemy fighters for the loss of 6 Zeros. Netties resting.
- AKE Kashiro arrives at Johnston island. It can rearm all ships except Nagato & Mutsu. 10 Lima Class AKE will be finished in 9 days.

SE Fleet:
- Rabaul invaded by Guards Mixed Bde. MKB covers the landing from drop tank range. No allied response despite spotting our ships yesterday.
- The atoll north of Rabaul (I forget its name) is captured to provide a float plane base.

Philippines/Eastern DEI:
- Crucial convoy finished unloading engineers and supplies at Busuanga. Next turn we'll have a size 1 airfield here.
- 3 enemy BBs were spotted yesterday NE of Balikpapan heading NE. All forces in Sulu Sea were ordered to fall back to Cam Ranch Bay. Today 2 cruiser TFs are spotted near Manado and Balikpapan.
- Nells attack 3 CLs at Balikpapan, no hits.

Malaya/Eastern DEI:
- 25th Army is resting except 2 divs that will mop up the area between Kuala Lumpur and Alor Star.
- Palembang invaded by 4 SNFL batallions. Only 35 enemy AV.

[Olorin]

Dec 20, 1941

More mine hits, more cruisers to the dockyards.

Pearl Harbor:
- Same as yestaerday, 2 Zero sentais sweep PH. Enemy fighters are fewer than 15 now.
- KB stays near Palmyra. The SNFL battalion will land tomorrow.

SE Fleet:
- Rabaul captured. MKB reacted to the spotting of allied battleships in the Makassar strait.
- An allied cruiser TF found the amphibious TF after the landing was over and sunk 9 ships. Our "covering" cruiser TF decided to refuel en route (low OPs?) and stayed behind. Anyway, certain commanders were chastised.

Night Time Surface Combat, near Rabaul at 106,125, Range 1,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
TB Sagi, Shell hits 16, and is sunk
PB Kinsyo Maru #4, Shell hits 20, and is sunk
AK Sakito Maru, Shell hits 7, on fire, heavy damage
xAK Arabia Maru, Shell hits 8, heavy fires, heavy damage
xAK Tsukuba Maru, Shell hits 11, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
xAK Tatuno Maru, Shell hits 10, heavy fires
xAK Montreal Maru
xAK Taian Maru, Shell hits 8, Torpedo hits 2, and is sunk
xAK Tokati Maru, Shell hits 8, and is sunk

Allied Ships
CA Chester
CA Chicago, Shell hits 1
DD Craven
DD Gridley
DD McCall
DD Maury
DD Benham, Shell hits 1
DD Ellet

Western DEI:
- Palembang captured. Oilfields undamaged.
- Several ships hit mines at Palembang. A CA and a DD are damaged and have to retire.

China:
- 1st Army assembles in Kaifeng, 11th Army in Sinyang. 13th Army marches to Wuchang.
- Frustratiion at Hong Kong. I think this is the fifth attack.

Ground combat at Hong Kong (77,61)
Japanese Deliberate attack
Attacking force 20706 troops, 295 guns, 179 vehicles, Assault Value = 529
Defending force 6423 troops, 115 guns, 67 vehicles, Assault Value = 116
Japanese adjusted assault: 199

Allied adjusted defense: 217

Japanese assault odds: 1 to 2 (fort level 1)

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), leaders(-), experience(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
520 casualties reported
Squads: 4 destroyed, 35 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 6 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Guns lost 3 (1 destroyed, 2 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
534 casualties reported
Squads: 2 destroyed, 21 disabled
Non Combat: 12 destroyed, 29 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Vehicles lost 10 (8 destroyed, 2 disabled)

Assaulting units:
67th Ind.Infantry Battalion
38th Division
66th Infantry Regiment
19th Ind Engineer Regiment
68th Ind.Infantry Battalion
20th Ind Engineer Regiment
2nd Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
2nd RF Gun Battalion
5th RF Gun Battalion
3rd Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
1st Hvy.Artillery Regiment
10th Ind. Mountain Gun Regiment
2nd Mortar Battalion
20th Ind. Mtn Gun Battalion

Defending units:
Rifles of Canada Battalion
Kowloon Brigade
1st Middlesex Battalion
Winnipeg Grenadiers Battalion
102nd RN Base Force
Hong Kong Fortress

[Lokasenna]

I always bring the 104th Division along to Hong Kong, from Canton, for exactly that reason.

[Olorin]

That would leave Canton undergarrisoned, but perhaps it's worth it.