From Russia with love, STEF78 vs Beekeeper

BrianG · Post by **BrianG** » Thu Sep 10, 2015 5:28 pm

Will he go for the oil or victory!

loki100 · Post by **loki100** » Thu Sep 10, 2015 5:43 pm

feel your pain [;)]

one small good thing is they will be in supply for a while as long as you hold onto that Azov port so it may tie him down dealing with you, especially as he'll need the rail line through Rostov if he is to push much more to the south

chaos45 · Post by **chaos45** » Thu Sep 10, 2015 5:45 pm

Hold the port at all costs and slowly start shipping troops out.....really massive move while most of his armor is tied up

timmyab · Post by **timmyab** » Thu Sep 10, 2015 8:15 pm

Well done for carrying on although I must admit it does look grim to lose so much even before the Summer campaign has begun in earnest

Your objective now should be to frustrate him as much as possible and force him to win the game. I've been in his position and believe me it wont look cut and dried to him at all, especially if you adopt a 1941 run away to fight another day strategy.
It's also a learning opportunity for you to try out different defensive tactics vs a competent opponent.
Good luck.

STEF78 · Post by **STEF78** » Fri Sep 11, 2015 3:04 am

ORIGINAL: BrianG

Will he go for the oil or victory!

Victory for sure. Beekeeper is rationnal
1) destroy the red army
2) get the VP

STEF78 · Post by **STEF78** » Fri Sep 11, 2015 3:06 am

ORIGINAL: loki100

feel your pain [;)]

one small good thing is they will be in supply for a while as long as you hold onto that Azov port so it may tie him down dealing with you, especially as he'll need the rail line through Rostov if he is to push much more to the south

ORIGINAL: chaos45

Hold the port at all costs and slowly start shipping troops out.....really massive move while most of his armor is tied up

I will do my best to hold the port but with some gamey tricks, you can take the hex you want. Even if strongly defended.

STEF78 · Post by **STEF78** » Fri Sep 11, 2015 3:11 am

ORIGINAL: timmyab

Well done for carrying on although I must admit it does look grim to lose so much even before the Summer campaign has begun in earnest
Your objective now should be to frustrate him as much as possible and force him to win the game. I've been in his position and believe me it wont look cut and dried to him at all, especially if you adopt a 1941 run away to fight another day strategy.
It's also a learning opportunity for you to try out different defensive tactics vs a competent opponent.
Good luck.

Thanks but I think it's too late for me. WITE is a snowball game. The richer gets richer and losing 60 units before summer 1942 is too much for the russian.

If I can keep the Rostov Pocket alive till at least august and hold the Oka line, maybe I can survive.

But I'm not optimistic. I'm far behind the curve.

Bozo_the_Clown · Post by **Bozo_the_Clown** » Fri Sep 11, 2015 9:27 am

Hey, beekeper, would you mind resigning the game you started with me a couple of years ago? I'm tired of looking at it. Thanks! [:D]

STEF78 · Post by **STEF78** » Fri Sep 11, 2015 4:08 pm

Turn 53, 18th june 1942

Desperatly trying to reoganize a decent front line

In Rostov I evacuate 2 inf divs and a cav corps from the Pocket. I will try to hold the port at all cost!

loki100 · Post by **loki100** » Fri Sep 11, 2015 4:10 pm

think that is all you can do, its going to be a long grim summer for you, but if you can tie him down around Rostov for a few turns that has to help.

STEF78 · Post by **STEF78** » Sun Sep 13, 2015 3:49 pm

Tuen 54, 25th june 1942

Focus on the 3 decisive sectors

1) Moscow

beekeeper is advancing in strength to the Oka. Tula's line isn't safe anymore

2) Stalingrad

4 of my Cav corps are in the area and I've built 2 rifle corps in the city

3) Rostov

I spend 20 AP to build a rifle corps in Azov, another trapped in the Pocket will reinforce the city. Once the hex SW of the city is controlled by the germans, evacuations cannot continue....

chaos45 · Post by **chaos45** » Sun Sep 13, 2015 4:11 pm

The only good news is his panzers at stalingrad wont get much fuel until he smashes your pocket at Rostov due to you having the rail lines...then he has to repair them.

loki100 · Post by **loki100** » Mon Sep 14, 2015 7:59 am

ORIGINAL: chaos45

The only good news is his panzers at stalingrad wont get much fuel until he smashes your pocket at Rostov due to you having the rail lines...then he has to repair them.

true, but Stef has clearly played well up to this point. Having at least 5 Gds Armies indicates an awful lot of victories scored in 1941 and over the winter.

reality is this is (unfortunately) another game spirralling out of control in 1942, since this is only the end of June, Stef somehow needs to avoid major encirclements for another 3 months if he is to survive at all

STEF78 · Post by **STEF78** » Wed Sep 16, 2015 4:48 pm

Turn 55, 2nd july 1942

In fact I have 6 guards armies... but it's like butter in front of Beekeeper's Pzds

Moscow

Beekeeper begins to clear the southern bank of the Oka. I build Rifle corps on the clear hexes of the northern bank

Stalingrad

His Pzd moved away and aren't spotted by recon...

Rostov
Azov is strongly held. Next turn I will have 2 rifle corps and a guard div under unique command in the city

chaos45 · Post by **chaos45** » Wed Sep 16, 2015 5:49 pm

Ehh life isnt all bad that pocket at Rostov will last at least another couple turns lol...Main goal is survive to 1943 and it looks like you might be able to work that [:)]

BrianG · Post by **BrianG** » Wed Sep 16, 2015 5:52 pm

I bet they head south and cut the access to the lake and hence to the ports.

STEF78 · Post by **STEF78** » Wed Sep 16, 2015 6:14 pm

ORIGINAL: chaos45

Ehh life isnt all bad that pocket at Rostov will last at least another couple turns

His MCV in Rostov is impressive [:(]

STEF78 · Post by **STEF78** » Wed Sep 16, 2015 6:16 pm

ORIGINAL: BrianG

I bet they head south and cut the access to the lake and hence to the ports.

Maybe but I already have enough units to secure the area South of Novorosiisk

BrianG · Post by **BrianG** » Wed Sep 16, 2015 6:53 pm

Fighting down there is lots of fun. Heading to Baku is really far and takes forever for RR to catch up.

That's If one can move thru Rostov.

Which is not your case.

Also you mentioned earlier that if the hex just sw of the port were taken you could not use the port for evacuations?
Did I understand it correctly. Why would that block the port?

STEF78 · Post by **STEF78** » Thu Sep 17, 2015 2:12 am

ORIGINAL: BrianG

Also you mentioned earlier that if the hex just sw of the port were taken you could not use the port for evacuations?
Did I understand it correctly. Why would that block the port?

You have right understood.

I think it's about ZOC. Maybe Morvael has the technical reason