Be careful at Sian. There are a lot of engineers and some good big Corps here. Yes, you can bomb it to oblivion, but in my game against Greyjoy he lost an entire army there. Shocked in, got a 1:3, the Chinese shocked the next turn and he was forced back. Lost a lot of troops and never really threatened in China after that.
Miller (J) vs Mr Kane (A)
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RE: Miller (J) vs Mr Kane (A)
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm." - Winston Churchill
RE: Miller (J) vs Mr Kane (A)
19th-24th Jan 42
The first real dents in the Empires march to glory during this period.
Firstly in China my northern advances have started to meet stiff resistance and he is skillfully setting up blocking moves rather than running away as expected. I may have to check my ambition here for a while. I try a deliberate attack at Changsha that reduces the forts to 3 but trashes a division of mine that will have to retreat and recover. He's also clinging on at Kukong but hopefully that will fall in the next few days.
The main event though is my invasion of Java. I allocated the 3 Divs of the 25th army (5th, 18th and 56th) plus eng and art units to land at Kalidjati, which I had taken by para assault the previous day. Meanwhile the 21st Div plus a tank rgt was tasked with landing at Semarang. I also took the dot hex at Soerakata with another para unit to cut off any strat movement between north and south of the island. All this was covered by all my available CVs and most of my surface fleet. However whilst my troops got ashore at Kalidjati in good order, the TF dropping troops at Semarang encounters two dutch PT boat TFs, who manage to evade the DD TF covering it. Caught unloading they are easy tragets and I lose 4 APs to the PT torps, the only saving grace is they manage to land the bulk of the troops beforehand. As expected he has moved most of his ground and air units to Badoeng where they are imunne to bombardment. I think I may have to just try and contain them there whilst I take the South of the peninsula for the time being. I'm sending another Div that was planned to go to Burma as back up, will have to see how the next few turns pan out.
The first real dents in the Empires march to glory during this period.
Firstly in China my northern advances have started to meet stiff resistance and he is skillfully setting up blocking moves rather than running away as expected. I may have to check my ambition here for a while. I try a deliberate attack at Changsha that reduces the forts to 3 but trashes a division of mine that will have to retreat and recover. He's also clinging on at Kukong but hopefully that will fall in the next few days.
The main event though is my invasion of Java. I allocated the 3 Divs of the 25th army (5th, 18th and 56th) plus eng and art units to land at Kalidjati, which I had taken by para assault the previous day. Meanwhile the 21st Div plus a tank rgt was tasked with landing at Semarang. I also took the dot hex at Soerakata with another para unit to cut off any strat movement between north and south of the island. All this was covered by all my available CVs and most of my surface fleet. However whilst my troops got ashore at Kalidjati in good order, the TF dropping troops at Semarang encounters two dutch PT boat TFs, who manage to evade the DD TF covering it. Caught unloading they are easy tragets and I lose 4 APs to the PT torps, the only saving grace is they manage to land the bulk of the troops beforehand. As expected he has moved most of his ground and air units to Badoeng where they are imunne to bombardment. I think I may have to just try and contain them there whilst I take the South of the peninsula for the time being. I'm sending another Div that was planned to go to Burma as back up, will have to see how the next few turns pan out.
RE: Miller (J) vs Mr Kane (A)
ORIGINAL: obvert
Be careful at Sian. There are a lot of engineers and some good big Corps here. Yes, you can bomb it to oblivion, but in my game against Greyjoy he lost an entire army there. Shocked in, got a 1:3, the Chinese shocked the next turn and he was forced back. Lost a lot of troops and never really threatened in China after that.
I hear you. I've been looking at some of his AAR's to see if I can get a better understanding of how he operates.
RE: Miller (J) vs Mr Kane (A)
25th-26th Jan 42
My invasion of Java continues without any sign of his airforce or ships other than PTs and subs. A shock attack at Semarang by the 21st Div retreats the small blocking force to Djakarta followed by a tank unit in reserve which then proceeds to kick them out of there the next day, effectively cutting the peninsular in half. He has abandoned Batavia and a tank unit landed at Merak is moving south to take it, I will then land another div at Batavia. This will mean I have a total of 4 Divs plus a couple of tank units plus eng and art which should be enough although it looks like Bandoeng will be a mini Clark Field (recon shows 30 units there)!
Elsewhere in Burma I'm about to cross the river into Pegu, it looks like he has abandoned Rangoon (I'm a bit surprised by this). Over in China I have halted my advance in the north for the time being (thanks for the info Obvert), I think he has too much for me to wade through up there at the moment.
I have upped Oscar production to 150 a month, I have too many Nate units with decent pilots that I cannot use to due the uselessness of it and I want them into Oscars asap. CVL Shoho has arrived and should be in theatre in about a week. CVs Junyo and Hiyo should arrive by the end of March.
My invasion of Java continues without any sign of his airforce or ships other than PTs and subs. A shock attack at Semarang by the 21st Div retreats the small blocking force to Djakarta followed by a tank unit in reserve which then proceeds to kick them out of there the next day, effectively cutting the peninsular in half. He has abandoned Batavia and a tank unit landed at Merak is moving south to take it, I will then land another div at Batavia. This will mean I have a total of 4 Divs plus a couple of tank units plus eng and art which should be enough although it looks like Bandoeng will be a mini Clark Field (recon shows 30 units there)!
Elsewhere in Burma I'm about to cross the river into Pegu, it looks like he has abandoned Rangoon (I'm a bit surprised by this). Over in China I have halted my advance in the north for the time being (thanks for the info Obvert), I think he has too much for me to wade through up there at the moment.
I have upped Oscar production to 150 a month, I have too many Nate units with decent pilots that I cannot use to due the uselessness of it and I want them into Oscars asap. CVL Shoho has arrived and should be in theatre in about a week. CVs Junyo and Hiyo should arrive by the end of March.
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RE: Miller (J) vs Mr Kane (A)
Good tactics against the unpredictability of river shock attacks into strong enemy is to delay some LCUs so that they enter the hex the next turn through the same hexside and in combat mode. They will not be a decisive help in the initial attack on the stronghold, but they will have zero disruption next turn. And it is disruption fron initial shock that gets attackers' ass kicked when retaliation happens.ORIGINAL: obvert
Be careful at Sian. There are a lot of engineers and some good big Corps here. Yes, you can bomb it to oblivion, but in my game against Greyjoy he lost an entire army there. Shocked in, got a 1:3, the Chinese shocked the next turn and he was forced back. Lost a lot of troops and never really threatened in China after that.
RE: Miller (J) vs Mr Kane (A)
27th Jan 42
Between sweeps of Bandoeng and a massed airfield strike by the KB the Dutch fighter force is virtually destroyed, at least 50 of the 70 or so they can field at any one time, although they do take about 15 Zeros with them. I will have two Divs moving into there next turn so will find out what I'm up against. The last of my troops are being landed at Kalidjati and I will get all the transports clear of the forest of subs surrounding them. He is using them to mine but my DMS have done a good job clearing them, whilst 4 or 5 of his subs have hit mines laid by myself in return and sub sinking sounds were heard...
Between sweeps of Bandoeng and a massed airfield strike by the KB the Dutch fighter force is virtually destroyed, at least 50 of the 70 or so they can field at any one time, although they do take about 15 Zeros with them. I will have two Divs moving into there next turn so will find out what I'm up against. The last of my troops are being landed at Kalidjati and I will get all the transports clear of the forest of subs surrounding them. He is using them to mine but my DMS have done a good job clearing them, whilst 4 or 5 of his subs have hit mines laid by myself in return and sub sinking sounds were heard...
RE: Miller (J) vs Mr Kane (A)
28th Jan 42
Batavia auto switches sides in the night and the div lands there without any trouble. KB a/c pound Bandoeng airfield again which is showing at 80% damage, I will keep this up with several Lilly units diverted from Malaya.
Meanwhile over in the PI I lay a little cap trap for his low flying fighter bombers on naval attack but net a much more worthwhile target:
Afternoon Air attack on TF, near San Fernando at 80,74
Weather in hex: Partial cloud
Raid spotted at 30 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 11 minutes
Japanese aircraft
Ki-27b Nate x 49
Allied aircraft
SBD-3 Dauntless x 16
No Japanese losses
Allied aircraft losses
SBD-3 Dauntless: 8 destroyed, 1 damaged
Japanese Ships
SC Ch 9
So my crappy Nates manage to shoot down almost a whole sqd of SBDs, nice. It also confirms he will probably have more based elsewhere on land ready to pounce on anything I leave undefended. Going off the number of AKL sightings around Clark he probably has enough supply there already to last till doomsday, which is worrying because this attack came from there:
Night Air attack on Taihoku , at 87,63
Weather in hex: Clear sky
Raid spotted at 32 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 8 minutes
Allied aircraft
B-17D Fortress x 8
No Allied losses
Manpower hits 6
Fires 3000
Aircraft Attacking:
8 x B-17D Fortress bombing from 10000 feet
City Attack: 8 x 500 lb GP Bomb
A very worrying development as I have almost no defence against this at night. There are no HR preventing ANY strat bombing on the map, but I've asked him just to clarify this 100% before I retaliate....
Batavia auto switches sides in the night and the div lands there without any trouble. KB a/c pound Bandoeng airfield again which is showing at 80% damage, I will keep this up with several Lilly units diverted from Malaya.
Meanwhile over in the PI I lay a little cap trap for his low flying fighter bombers on naval attack but net a much more worthwhile target:
Afternoon Air attack on TF, near San Fernando at 80,74
Weather in hex: Partial cloud
Raid spotted at 30 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 11 minutes
Japanese aircraft
Ki-27b Nate x 49
Allied aircraft
SBD-3 Dauntless x 16
No Japanese losses
Allied aircraft losses
SBD-3 Dauntless: 8 destroyed, 1 damaged
Japanese Ships
SC Ch 9
So my crappy Nates manage to shoot down almost a whole sqd of SBDs, nice. It also confirms he will probably have more based elsewhere on land ready to pounce on anything I leave undefended. Going off the number of AKL sightings around Clark he probably has enough supply there already to last till doomsday, which is worrying because this attack came from there:
Night Air attack on Taihoku , at 87,63
Weather in hex: Clear sky
Raid spotted at 32 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 8 minutes
Allied aircraft
B-17D Fortress x 8
No Allied losses
Manpower hits 6
Fires 3000
Aircraft Attacking:
8 x B-17D Fortress bombing from 10000 feet
City Attack: 8 x 500 lb GP Bomb
A very worrying development as I have almost no defence against this at night. There are no HR preventing ANY strat bombing on the map, but I've asked him just to clarify this 100% before I retaliate....
RE: Miller (J) vs Mr Kane (A)
From where do you think he brought in the supply to Luzon?
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RE: Miller (J) vs Mr Kane (A)
ORIGINAL: Miller
Night Air attack on Taihoku , at 87,63
Weather in hex: Clear sky
Raid spotted at 32 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 8 minutes
Allied aircraft
B-17D Fortress x 8
No Allied losses
Manpower hits 6
Fires 3000
Aircraft Attacking:
8 x B-17D Fortress bombing from 10000 feet
City Attack: 8 x 500 lb GP Bomb
A very worrying development as I have almost no defence against this at night. There are no HR preventing ANY strat bombing on the map, but I've asked him just to clarify this 100% before I retaliate....
So, my experience with early Allied night bombing is that your AA won't fire unless there are several sound detectors, searchlights, or radar present.
RE: Miller (J) vs Mr Kane (A)
ORIGINAL: witpqs
From where do you think he brought in the supply to Luzon?
Probably from Balikpapan. He has around 40 AKL to play with in that area at the start of the game so despite the fact my subs and a/c have sunk maybe a dozen he has plenty left. It's very hard to intercept them with DDs as they always seem to manage to avoid contact, and trying to do so near Clark can be nasty if they react into Bataans minefield and CD guns..
RE: Miller (J) vs Mr Kane (A)
ORIGINAL: Miller
ORIGINAL: witpqs
From where do you think he brought in the supply to Luzon?
Probably from Balikpapan. He has around 40 AKL to play with in that area at the start of the game so despite the fact my subs and a/c have sunk maybe a dozen he has plenty left. It's very hard to intercept them with DDs as they always seem to manage to avoid contact, and trying to do so near Clark can be nasty if they react into Bataans minefield and CD guns..
Is he running them in single ship task forces?
RE: Miller (J) vs Mr Kane (A)
ORIGINAL: Lowpe
ORIGINAL: Miller
ORIGINAL: witpqs
From where do you think he brought in the supply to Luzon?
Probably from Balikpapan. He has around 40 AKL to play with in that area at the start of the game so despite the fact my subs and a/c have sunk maybe a dozen he has plenty left. It's very hard to intercept them with DDs as they always seem to manage to avoid contact, and trying to do so near Clark can be nasty if they react into Bataans minefield and CD guns..
Is he running them in single ship task forces?
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RE: Miller (J) vs Mr Kane (A)
ORIGINAL: Miller
28th Jan 42
Batavia auto switches sides in the night and the div lands there without any trouble. KB a/c pound Bandoeng airfield again which is showing at 80% damage, I will keep this up with several Lilly units diverted from Malaya.
Meanwhile over in the PI I lay a little cap trap for his low flying fighter bombers on naval attack but net a much more worthwhile target:
Afternoon Air attack on TF, near San Fernando at 80,74
Weather in hex: Partial cloud
Raid spotted at 30 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 11 minutes
Japanese aircraft
Ki-27b Nate x 49
Allied aircraft
SBD-3 Dauntless x 16
No Japanese losses
Allied aircraft losses
SBD-3 Dauntless: 8 destroyed, 1 damaged
Japanese Ships
SC Ch 9
So my crappy Nates manage to shoot down almost a whole sqd of SBDs, nice. It also confirms he will probably have more based elsewhere on land ready to pounce on anything I leave undefended. Going off the number of AKL sightings around Clark he probably has enough supply there already to last till doomsday, which is worrying because this attack came from there:
Night Air attack on Taihoku , at 87,63
Weather in hex: Clear sky
Raid spotted at 32 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 8 minutes
Allied aircraft
B-17D Fortress x 8
No Allied losses
Manpower hits 6
Fires 3000
Aircraft Attacking:
8 x B-17D Fortress bombing from 10000 feet
City Attack: 8 x 500 lb GP Bomb
A very worrying development as I have almost no defence against this at night. There are no HR preventing ANY strat bombing on the map, but I've asked him just to clarify this 100% before I retaliate....
He will use anything he can against you. You need to get any airfields in range taken or shut down ASAP. FYI, he purposely left certain bases allied in our game so he got Kamikaze's on the first day possible. Think of your most vulnerable point because he is massing ships for an amphibious assault ;]
RE: Miller (J) vs Mr Kane (A)
Yes he certainly does not seem to miss any little opening so far. We have agreed to unlimited strat bombing but 4E must be at least 10k ft and 2E 5k ft. Not great but I can live with it. May come in useful in China....
RE: Miller (J) vs Mr Kane (A)
ORIGINAL: Miller
Yes he certainly does not seem to miss any little opening so far. We have agreed to unlimited strat bombing but 4E must be at least 10k ft and 2E 5k ft. Not great but I can live with it. May come in useful in China....
I'd never agree to that as Allies. Why do you want that HR? It was entirely possible for the Allies to bomb Japanese industry at any altitude during the war, and most later bombing of Japan was much lower than 10k.
Strat bombing is not overpowered. Airfield and Port night bombing are definitely too strong, but strat bombing should be left alone. It makes the game much more fun, for both sides, to allow the Allies something they can actually fight for in the early stages of the war.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm." - Winston Churchill
RE: Miller (J) vs Mr Kane (A)
Port and airbase facilities repairs are overpowered too. Runway repairs probably not. Been thinking about that randomly here and there. Mentioning it because obviously it goes hand in glove with the issue of bombing effectiveness.ORIGINAL: obvert
ORIGINAL: Miller
Yes he certainly does not seem to miss any little opening so far. We have agreed to unlimited strat bombing but 4E must be at least 10k ft and 2E 5k ft. Not great but I can live with it. May come in useful in China....
I'd never agree to that as Allies. Why do you want that HR? It was entirely possible for the Allies to bomb Japanese industry at any altitude during the war, and most later bombing of Japan was much lower than 10k.
Strat bombing is not overpowered. Airfield and Port night bombing are definitely too strong, but strat bombing should be left alone. It makes the game much more fun, for both sides, to allow the Allies something they can actually fight for in the early stages of the war.
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RE: Miller (J) vs Mr Kane (A)
ORIGINAL: obvert
ORIGINAL: Miller
Yes he certainly does not seem to miss any little opening so far. We have agreed to unlimited strat bombing but 4E must be at least 10k ft and 2E 5k ft. Not great but I can live with it. May come in useful in China....
I'd never agree to that as Allies. Why do you want that HR? It was entirely possible for the Allies to bomb Japanese industry at any altitude during the war, and most later bombing of Japan was much lower than 10k.
Strat bombing is not overpowered. Airfield and Port night bombing are definitely too strong, but strat bombing should be left alone. It makes the game much more fun, for both sides, to allow the Allies something they can actually fight for in the early stages of the war.
I am happy with unlimited strat bombing, however I suggested a min alt just to stop things getting silly as 4E can cause havoc at 1k ft. He is the one who came up with the 10k figure. In the long run it makes no difference and I am going to lose anyway.
RE: Miller (J) vs Mr Kane (A)
29th Jan-5th Feb 42
The turns have been coming so thick and fast I barely have time to write about them. I think we have done about a months worth of turns in the last 4 or 5 days! A quick round up:
Burma: I take Rangoon without any resistance, he is fleeing north. I have another div inbound from Singers which should arrive next trun, then I will start the push north.
Malaya: I finally kill off a couple of trapped Indian Brigades at Temuloh. Almost 100% of my CVs and surface fleet which are fully rested and repaired are based at Singers but I am going to move a fair percentage to *CLASSIFIED*.
China: Looks like the two main areas of focus now are Sian in the north and Changsha in the south. A deliberate attack at the latter knocks the forts down to 2. He obviously doesn't want to lose it as he is putting up the AVG and a P40 sqd from the PI on CAP over it, so far my Oscars are trading 1:1 with them but keeping my bombers safe as they concentrate on bombing the airfield to prevent fort rebuilding. Elsewhere I finally kick him out of Kukong but to the north west of there at Kweilin it is a stalemate.
PI: I'm getting rather worried here now as it looks like he has shipped in another Philippine div from one of the islands to the south. With 2200AV behind 4 forts sitting under 130 P40s it's going to be a very tough nut to crack....
Java: Making good progress here. About to totally isolate Bandoeng in a few turns then I will start my ground assault with 4 Divs. In the south I am about to take Surabaya which is almost empty. Once Bandoeng falls I will send 2 divs to Clark and use one of the others plus a few bits and pieces for Borneo and the Celebes.
Elsewhere: My recon from the Marshall Is has picked up numerous ships on and off for the past week west of Johnston Is. I don't know if this is just a diversion or not but they got a lot closer the last few turns. I like an early invasion of the Marshalls when playing as the Allies so perhaps this is his intention. I only really have subs and one Netty sqd in the area to oppose him.
The turns have been coming so thick and fast I barely have time to write about them. I think we have done about a months worth of turns in the last 4 or 5 days! A quick round up:
Burma: I take Rangoon without any resistance, he is fleeing north. I have another div inbound from Singers which should arrive next trun, then I will start the push north.
Malaya: I finally kill off a couple of trapped Indian Brigades at Temuloh. Almost 100% of my CVs and surface fleet which are fully rested and repaired are based at Singers but I am going to move a fair percentage to *CLASSIFIED*.
China: Looks like the two main areas of focus now are Sian in the north and Changsha in the south. A deliberate attack at the latter knocks the forts down to 2. He obviously doesn't want to lose it as he is putting up the AVG and a P40 sqd from the PI on CAP over it, so far my Oscars are trading 1:1 with them but keeping my bombers safe as they concentrate on bombing the airfield to prevent fort rebuilding. Elsewhere I finally kick him out of Kukong but to the north west of there at Kweilin it is a stalemate.
PI: I'm getting rather worried here now as it looks like he has shipped in another Philippine div from one of the islands to the south. With 2200AV behind 4 forts sitting under 130 P40s it's going to be a very tough nut to crack....
Java: Making good progress here. About to totally isolate Bandoeng in a few turns then I will start my ground assault with 4 Divs. In the south I am about to take Surabaya which is almost empty. Once Bandoeng falls I will send 2 divs to Clark and use one of the others plus a few bits and pieces for Borneo and the Celebes.
Elsewhere: My recon from the Marshall Is has picked up numerous ships on and off for the past week west of Johnston Is. I don't know if this is just a diversion or not but they got a lot closer the last few turns. I like an early invasion of the Marshalls when playing as the Allies so perhaps this is his intention. I only really have subs and one Netty sqd in the area to oppose him.
RE: Miller (J) vs Mr Kane (A)
ORIGINAL: Miller
ORIGINAL: obvert
ORIGINAL: Miller
Yes he certainly does not seem to miss any little opening so far. We have agreed to unlimited strat bombing but 4E must be at least 10k ft and 2E 5k ft. Not great but I can live with it. May come in useful in China....
I'd never agree to that as Allies. Why do you want that HR? It was entirely possible for the Allies to bomb Japanese industry at any altitude during the war, and most later bombing of Japan was much lower than 10k.
Strat bombing is not overpowered. Airfield and Port night bombing are definitely too strong, but strat bombing should be left alone. It makes the game much more fun, for both sides, to allow the Allies something they can actually fight for in the early stages of the war.
I am happy with unlimited strat bombing, however I suggested a min alt just to stop things getting silly as 4E can cause havoc at 1k ft. He is the one who came up with the 10k figure. In the long run it makes no difference and I am going to lose anyway.
Obviously up to you. I just didn't really get the request, since flying 4Es low has some clear drawbacks as well. With your progress it would be a moot point in a few weeks anyway! [:)]
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm." - Winston Churchill
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RE: Miller (J) vs Mr Kane (A)
ORIGINAL: Miller
29th Jan-5th Feb 42
PI: I'm getting rather worried here now as it looks like he has shipped in another Philippine div from one of the islands to the south. With 2200AV behind 4 forts sitting under 130 P40s....
I'd say, THANK YOU (Mr Kane), keep them there for as long as you please....
ORIGINAL: Miller
Elsewhere: My recon from the Marshall Is has picked up numerous ships on and off for the past week west of Johnston Is. I don't know if this is just a diversion or not but they got a lot closer the last few turns. I like an early invasion of the Marshalls when playing as the Allies so perhaps this is his intention. I only really have subs and one Netty sqd in the area to oppose him.
Have you read the recent AAR Aurorus (JPN) against Apbarog, and his preparations against invasion of the Marshalls (I don't say you have to/can deploy that many assets..)?