Invasion USA!! Dontra85 (J) vs NY59Giants (A)

[traskott]

Zero chance of got those ships back if u reconquer the city??

[Mike McCreery]

ORIGINAL: traskott

Zero chance of got those ships back if u reconquer the city??

Once they are cancelled they are gone. It is not realistic as the work would have been sent to other yards that were not damaged and the yards would be re-built once recaptured.

Another example of how the game has a limited framework and is not very flexible with extreme scenario's. Not suggesting the game could be this flexible without an enormous amount of work for very few games that are played in this manner.

[ny59giants]

Guys,

This is a simulation of a war and is based on a 15 year old system. Unless they come up with AE3 and start from scratch, there will be limitations. I took up this PBEM due to them. How can the Allies overcome such a huge set back and still win the war? After playing WTIP/AE for over 13 years, this is a challenge to try. Like Lowpe in southern Cali as Japan, the Allies will have some obstacles to over come.

[Cap Mandrake]

Agreed. I love this game. I took my laptop on a vacation to Sun Valley and my own mom made fun of me.[:)]

[Mike McCreery]

ORIGINAL: ny59giants_MatrixForum

Guys,

This is a simulation of a war and is based on a 15 year old system. Unless they come up with AE3 and start from scratch, there will be limitations. I took up this PBEM due to them. How can the Allies overcome such a huge set back and still win the war? After playing WTIP/AE for over 13 years, this is a challenge to try. Like Lowpe in southern Cali as Japan, the Allies will have some obstacles to over come.

Not sure what you expect from the peanut gallery as you are a very competent player.

India can get fuel from Abadan in a CS so you could substitute a lot of very short legged cargo ships to handle the fuel instead of tankers. There is substantially less shipping to worry about keeping in fuel supply ~ 300 ships so the loss of the tankers is mediated somewhat.

Because of the current setup and your lack of escorts a push from Australia north through the DEI seems the best course of the war as you always have territory in range of LBA.

[ny59giants]

Not sure what you expect from the peanut gallery as you are a very competent player.

I'm having my doubts right now vs Nathan (njp72) as my ground forces in China and India keep getting crushed. [:(][:(] I've made some mistakes in both theaters, so I just look at the twice monthly mega-reinforcements for a mini-morale booster. [:)]

[njp72]

ORIGINAL: ny59giants_MatrixForum

Not sure what you expect from the peanut gallery as you are a very competent player.

I'm having my doubts right now vs Nathan (njp72) as my ground forces in China and India keep getting crushed. [:(][:(] I've made some mistakes in both theaters, so I just look at the twice monthly mega-reinforcements for a mini-morale booster. [:)]

Nah, you will be fine [:D]

[Lecivius]

ORIGINAL: njp72
Nah, you will be fine [:D]

Oh, sure! [:D]

[ny59giants]

+1

[Bif1961]

She made fun of you right before mother's day? She is walking on thin ice.

[Lowpe]

I will be the first to comment here, the Japanese are far, far from AV.[:)]

The Allies are most likely three kitchen sink invasions from Honshu/Hokkaido.

The challenge will be logistics, and here I think this and CV operations are Michael's strengths. I would not want to be Japan here....because the invasion hasn't really changed anything. Japan is one CV clash from disaster, as always. Plus the perimeter isn't formed, and significant assets are in the US where they will fight restricted troops while while the Allies exploit other areas eventually.

[GetAssista]

ORIGINAL: Lowpe
I would not want to be Japan here....because the invasion hasn't really changed anything.

Oh, come on, don't be the guy providing the (really not needed) other-end-of-spectrum response to those saying that this is a botched game and everything is lost

That's a lot of CVEs so a lot of potential fighter cover from KB/LBA gone forever. Granted, it is secondary cover compared to CV DS. But it would still slow down op tempo considerably because secondary convoys are now harder to send out. Even more so with APA losses.

[Encircled]

Pointing out stuff that is missing and the effects it will have isn't anything other than folks pointing out stuff that is missing and the effects it will have.

But I guess that is hard to get across on the internet at times!

[Mike Solli]

This should be fun!

[Uncivil Engineer]

ORIGINAL: Lowpe

I will be the first to comment here, the Japanese are far, far from AV.[:)]

The Allies are most likely three kitchen sink invasions from Honshu/Hokkaido.

The challenge will be logistics, and here I think this and CV operations are Michael's strengths. I would not want to be Japan here....because the invasion hasn't really changed anything. Japan is one CV clash from disaster, as always. Plus the perimeter isn't formed, and significant assets are in the US where they will fight restricted troops while while the Allies exploit other areas eventually.

Agree. Also consider that the Japanese LCU invasion force is lost to them. Maybe not within the next week, but certainly before the end of the summer. Does Portland make enough supply to feed them? Can they be continually resupplied from Tokyo? What would they be doing if not in the USA? Java? Singapore? What's the situation in Malaya, Sumatra, Java? Without the 2 divisions at Portland, is he making any progress in the DEI? Where must his CV's go to replenish sorties? Ominato? Did he bring AKE's with the invasion? Have his AKE conversions started to arrive?

[Mike Solli]

ORIGINAL: Uncivil Engineer

Also consider that the Japanese LCU invasion force is lost to them.

In my opinion, the Allied destroyed ship list more than makes up for the loss of the Japanese ground forces. I'm curious what shipping losses the Japanese player took in doing this.

[ny59giants]

CV Soryu was reported as sunk off Midway by Allied subs before I took over. [:)]

[Uncivil Engineer]

ORIGINAL: Mike Solli

ORIGINAL: Uncivil Engineer

Also consider that the Japanese LCU invasion force is lost to them.

In my opinion, the Allied destroyed ship list more than makes up for the loss of the Japanese ground forces. I'm curious what shipping losses the Japanese player took in doing this.

Of course. My point, which I fumbled, was that it works both ways. Everyone's "overwrought" about the lost shipping at Portland, but overlooks the pending Japanese losses, and the lost Japanese opportunities elsewhere. If the diversion of these 2 (and maybe more) divisions precludes the capture of Palembang, then Japan's war is lost with or without the CVE's.

[obvert]

When do the first CVEs arrive? And where?

Well ... it's not in Portland/Vancouver. And it's not next week. [;)]

The Allies get their first CVEs elsewhere, and those late 42 IMHO are the most important. The game is won or lost in 43, and if the Allies get into 44 with a head of steam, they will be fine. Just like any other game, this one will have to get to 43 though before that massive shot of CVEs and tankers will be missed. In game the xAKs just aren't as necessary as in the war, and the Allies can get by without a lot of them.

Is getting to 43 without losing a CV exchange a guarantee for Japan?

As others have pointed out, will Japan conquer the DEI more easily with a few less divisions and much of the IJN still in the Eastern Pacific?

If Michael can build a fortress in the DEI and hold it, can the Japanese muster enough force to kick him out and meet their timeline for getting the oil and major bases of the SRA, plus Burma, plus China?

If he has lost Hiryu, or it needs extensive repairs, the USN is not on bad footing for a CV battle within a month or two. Plus there are the reinforcements and forwarded timeline of airframe arrivals. The Corsair and Hellcat early? Yes, please!

Does anyone really think the Allies would have lost the war in the Pacific if Kaiser didn't convince the Govt he could make all of those ships, and didn't open those yards?

[Mike Solli]

ORIGINAL: Uncivil Engineer

ORIGINAL: Mike Solli

ORIGINAL: Uncivil Engineer

Also consider that the Japanese LCU invasion force is lost to them.

In my opinion, the Allied destroyed ship list more than makes up for the loss of the Japanese ground forces. I'm curious what shipping losses the Japanese player took in doing this.

Of course. My point, which I fumbled, was that it works both ways. Everyone's "overwrought" about the lost shipping at Portland, but overlooks the pending Japanese losses, and the lost Japanese opportunities elsewhere. If the diversion of these 2 (and maybe more) divisions precludes the capture of Palembang, then Japan's war is lost with or without the CVE's.

I absolutely agree. Japanese potential loss of oil far outweighs the Allied ships lost (says the JFB who thinks the Allies get unlimited amounts of everything. [:'(] [:D])