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Andy, thanks for the Boomerang fix. And it seems you really like Burma...
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@Kull Thx for the info about the airgroup errors - they are also present in the DBB scenarios. I have just corrected them in my mod.
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?? What’s up did I miss something in Burna
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Andy, thanks for the Boomerang fix. And it seems you really like Burma...
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In scen 100 you added new bases in Burma, and added several new bases there now. I reckon Burma is your pet project of sorts.
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In scen 100 you added new bases in Burma, and added several new bases there now. I reckon Burma is your pet project of sorts.

In the past, the AI didn't do so well in Burma. That's no longer true. The Allied player wants to make a stand there now? <snicker>)
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The extra bases help the AI move thru Burma....GP
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In scen 100 you added new bases in Burma, and added several new bases there now. I reckon Burma is your pet project of sorts.

In the past, the AI didn't do so well in Burma. That's no longer true. The Allied player wants to make a stand there now? <snicker>)

Good to hear! I look forward to a tougher fight in Burma. Will this also help the AI defend when the Allies counter-attack into Burma later in the game?
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Andy
1. Great to have you back[:)]

2. Been running scenario 22 AI vs. AI and Soviet activation occurs on 15 Feb 1942. The intelligence report says Soviet Activation:Manchuko Garrison.

Hope this is helpful
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Andy
1. Great to have you back[:)]

2. Been running scenario 22 AI vs. AI and Soviet activation occurs on 15 Feb 1942. The intelligence report says Soviet Activation:Manchuko Garrison.

Hope this is helpful

He'll probably want "before and after" save games, so it would be helpful if you could post those.
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thanks ckk its probably an LCU pathing over the border will try to find it if you have a save a.mcphie@btinternet.com

will save me some time if not n o worries I will track it down
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ckk fixed and uploaded a fix ta
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Thanks Andy
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Andy, I am attaching a zip file. It contains a doc file about ships (xAKL, xAP, and support ships) which were not present in Pearl Harbor on 7 Dec 1941. You have already amended three of them, but there is a few more.
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Units 7755 and 7807 bear the same name - 24th Chinese Base Force. There is no 25th Chinese Base Force in the OOB, so you can change the name of one unit to 25th Chinese Bafe Force.
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Andy, I am attaching a zip file. It contains a doc file about ships (xAKL, xAP, and support ships) which were not present in Pearl Harbor on 7 Dec 1941. You have already amended three of them, but there is a few more.

Nice info, thx Yaab. I have missed the Florence D, still had her at Pearl in my mod.

Concerning the Hirondelle - she was under repairs at Hong Kong and unable to move, was captured by the Japanese and put into service as the Gyonan Maru. See https://www.ibiblio.org/hyperwar/USN/US ... -1941.html

Gyonan Maru is not in stock.

Note that the chronology also mentions U.S. freighter Admiral Y.S. Williams which the Japanese captured at Hong Kong and put into service as Tatsutama Maru.

Tatsutama Maru is not in stock, however there is a cargo called Admiral Y. Williams at San Diego which has a sunk date in the editor which corresponds to the day Hong Kong fell.

Since capturing vessels is not possible in AE, I have deleted Hirondelle and Admiral Y. Williams from the Allied OOB and added Gyonan Maru and Tatsutama Maru to the Japanese side, becoming available at Hong Kong in March 1942 with some damage to repair.
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The strange thing is how few xAK/xAP ships USN had in Pearl Harbor on Dec 7, 1941. There were no ships to quickly move troops/supplies over the Pacific. Seems like the base was purely for basing the combat fleet.
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I will look into it trying to let the new settle down a little and stop changing it every 5 mins !!!
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Since capturing vessels is not possible in AE, I have deleted Hirondelle and Admiral Y. Williams from the Allied OOB and added Gyonan Maru and Tatsutama Maru to the Japanese side, becoming available at Hong Kong in March 1942 with some damage to repair.

While researching merchant ships with Dazzle camo, I came across something similar. "Empire Pagoda" was captured in Singapore, was renamed "Gyoten Maru", and is not in the Allied or Japanese OOB. (Note: Just informational, not in any way a request for Andy to do something!)

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The strange thing is how few xAK/xAP ships USN had in Pearl Harbor on Dec 7, 1941. There were no ships to quickly move troops/supplies over the Pacific. Seems like the base was purely for basing the combat fleet.

Such shipping as the USN/USA had under their control was being heavily used, much of it moving reinforcements and supplies to the Philippines (or other forward bases). Merchant shipping normally tries to stay in motion too, and despite the gathering war clouds I've never run across a mention of fully civil vessels (not under military control or charter) in the Pacific running in convoy until after the war started. The "lots of individual ship TFs at sea" for the Allies is a lot of clicks on the first few turns, but quite realistic.

Edit to add: and, at least per Niehorster, there were some AP/AK at Pearl: http://www.niehorster.org/013_usa/_41_u ... force.html
I've never run Niehorster against the starting OrBat in the game, but the only times I've checked him against DANFS (or other authoritative sources, for other things) he's been right, so I tend to trust him. I'd be interested if anyone has found errors.
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Niehorster is good but not without errors. For example he has AK-23 Alchiba at PH on Dec 7, 1941 - while according to DANFS she was in the ETO on the way back from Iceland to NYFC. He also has AE-3 Lassen at PH while DANFS says she departed Norfolk for San Francisco on Nov 22nd - seems a bit stretched to arrive in time at PH.
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