Tyronec vs BrianG. 12.03

[joelmar]

@M60

When you say in the past and alas no longer, by "in the past" you mean 1.11.03 and by "no longer" 1.12?

[Telemecus]

ORIGINAL: joelmar

@M60

When you say in the past and alas no longer, by "in the past" you mean 1.11.03 and by "no longer" 1.12?

The change occurred in an earlier version - 1.11.0 I think but would have to check the patchnotes again to remember.

[tyronec]

The Soviets have been dropping them supplies.
I have tried attacking every once in a while but they are still well supplied and OK morale.

[joelmar]

As explained before, I just went through a 9 turns siege of Rostov (level 3+ forteresse) in the mud in 1.11.03. I'm not aware of a single auto-surrender of the initial 12 divisions or so in the pocket. And I bombed them twice every turn of the siege with the full Rumanian spring 1942 air power, meaning dive and tac bombers capable of inflicting some 2000 to 4000 disruption each time, so lots of fatigue.

And in the end it still took me 2 consecutive turns for a force with a ratio of something like 8:1 in men, full air superiority, and 24 engineer battalions to take the city hex.

In that case, supply drops and merging were a very important factor I think.

[tyronec]

Soviets have their Cav divisions spread out along the front and managed to infiltrate a few last turn, managed to rout three of them away. Have not played against that tactic before (I have always massed them into Corps/Armies) but it is a threat if I can't get rid of them.
Working to have a reserve of Panzer units in Cities that can foray out and chase them away in future.

Full front displayed, had one division pocketed last turn which was a mistake by me from 2 turns ago. Some more at risk this turn.
Blizzard everywhere, just a bit of the river near Rostov not frozen yet.

Expecting they will storm Kerch in a move or two, they have a stack of infantry and a Cav there and I have no entrenchment.

Got the rail net fully connected North to South so at least that gives me some security.

[HardLuckYetAgain]

Yup, this Russian army is weak based on what I see in the screenshots. Only around the vicinity of Rostov is there any resemblence of power. I would contemplate just sitting in place if I were the Soviets.

[tyronec]

I would contemplate just sitting in place if I were the Soviets.

I doubt that is going to happen !

T27.
Nothing pocketed this turn, looks like the Soviets are concentrating on building up Wins for now.

North. Finns lost two battles last turn, was expecting them to be able to hold out better than that. Am concerned about either of the ports falling, need to stack the Finns a bit thicker which means 18th Army have to slide North a bit and they could be exposed. Difficult to reinforce this area too.

Moscow. Will be back to the city in the front line soon.

Kursk area. Looking OK, can pull back a lot more which should leave the Soviets short of supplies.

Rostov. Main threat is from the North, so a lot of Soviet units sitting below the river doing nothing yet.

[tyronec]

No serious damage this turn, a couple of pockets are threatened.
Don freezes so will see if they can get through the line at Rostov.
Doing several counter attacks which helps to keep morale level. The Soviet tactic of advancing with Cav. divisions seems to be counter productive if I can get an easy win against them.
Last turn of December which is a relief.

[tyronec]

Units in Lenningrad pocket begin to surrender, two go this turn when attacked, they had almost zero CV. Some are still OK so the Soviets may be able to hold a few hexes by flying in supplies to just a few units.

Elsewhere do counter attacks along the line where possible, only two lose - it is hard to tell what will happen with the Soviet CVs. Hope am safe enough against being pocketed anywhere though am a bit thin after a failed attack near Voronezh.

Pull back from Rostov and will try and hold the line with Mountain divisions plus most of Panzer 1 have sortied.

[HardLuckYetAgain]

Everything looks pretty well in hand for you Tyronec. Very nice consolidation of forces when retreating too. How is the air game since I saw what seems to be airfield bombings going on.

[tyronec]

Everything looks pretty well in hand for you Tyronec. Very nice consolidation of forces when retreating too. How is the air game since I saw what seems to be airfield bombings going on.

Air base bombing has been more or less stabilised since I went more passive with the Luftwaffe, not taken much damage from it for a while.

Couple of danger areas this turn, one around that impassable lake near Moscow where I could get something trapped next turn and one here where the Soviets herded this division East. Will try and relieve it and just hope it routs out next time, not sure it will last another turn or two of herding.

[tyronec]

End of turn.

Relief effort looks OK, just depends on what happens Soviet turn.
Still being slowly pushed back elsewhere and trying to maintain morale with counter attacks.

[HardLuckYetAgain]

ORIGINAL: tyronec



Relief effort looks OK, just depends on what happens Soviet turn.

Looks to me the Soviets don't have enough in that area to put a serious surround on your units.

[tyronec]

Looks to me the Soviets don't have enough in that area to put a serious surround on your units.

You were right, was able to surround a couple of stacks in the counter attack and rout them out. Have all the transports flying fuel in here so getting a couple of attacks a turn with most units.

Leningrad, have taken Osinovets. Soviet units are disappearing but only seem to show up on the destroyed units list when they go during the Axis turn.

Still being pushed back slowly along the line.

Model lets me down near Rostov and loses two battles.

[tyronec]

Not much change, both sides getting in their attack and winning most.
Losses are 2:1 during the Soviet turn and 3:1 during Axis turn, thanks to a few routs.

[Fetterkrolle]

Does he mix his armies a lot? The post where you showed the 2 battles that Model lost there were atleast 3 different armies attacking. He is loosing a lot of potential if this happens across the front...

However good for you [:D]

[tyronec]

Yes, Soviets are using mixed Fronts and Armies.

This turn same as usual.
Losses 3:1 during Soviet move and 5:1 during Axis move.
Last turn of January, happy days !!!

Model loses another battle in defence but does better attacking, it looks like the defensive CVs are not actually as displayed because they are going down in most of my battles.

Am getting to rotate a few infantry divisions back to REFIT every turn to get their morale back up. The Finns are really suffering because without Leningrad they cannot do any attacks and Morale is steadily going down. I should maybe abandon the area below the line as with Osinovets taken there is no risk of Leningrad getting back in supply. If I were Soviets would be shifting some more attackers to that area.

Soviets cross Kerch, took them 3 attacks to get across. Guess I should have replaced the defenders with a fresh division earlier. Anyway, don't think they can do any harm in the Crimea now.

[chaos45]

German CV in winter is deceptive due to supplies weather an such. Really when using the original CV method a lot of things adjust CV in the actual battle so its an art of command in the game to learn it. Its why the true CV is almost cheating as you know what the projected enemy CV is based on HQ support, projected support units, and projected command values. Is a huge edge to the Germans in 41/42. As they can basically tell exactly where the few good Soviet commanders are before they attack as the Soviet units will already have super high CV compared to others.

You made it through the worst and honestly the Soviets haven't achieved much. He can keep attacking in FEB but come MAR German CV will start to recover a lot and so the Soviets will have to watch out towards the end of FEB or risk being destroyed from being overextended.

He got some guard units built, but will need to fill them up with men and make sure their Experience levels rebuild after the influx of replacements...as it looks like they are still in the front taking heavy losses.

[tyronec]

Start of turn.

Soviets have moved more units up against the Finns, it is time to pull back to the Svir river as my Morale is taking a lot of damage. Will have to build a new line with German units to link to Lake Ladoga but if the Soviets advance to the lake it will give them an exposed salient to defend.

SNOW in the Central zone. There may be the opportunity to make a small pocket (blue arrows).

Did a lot of Recon this turn to assess prospects post Blizzard. Soviets have some entrenchments behind the Don but no sign of any Fort building anywhere. Am thinking it is good to attack in March to June along the boundaries of the weather zones to take advantage of any good weather, so Red arrows '1' or '2'.

[tyronec]

End of turn.

Finnish retreat begins.
I tried assaulting Leningrad but it would take a lot of pioneers to do the job, hoping it is not necessary.

Usual counter attacks down the line, front is fairly static now.

Make the pocket easily enough in the South, 7 small units. Not too confident of it holding but we shall see. Have railed down two Panzer Corps to help out next turn and most of PG1 is fueled up.