MM (allied) vs ComadrejaKorp (axis) ComadrejaKorp welcome :)

[Harrybanana]

ORIGINAL: ago1000

ORIGINAL: Harrybanana


If by "your convoys will be more vulnerable" you mean that an unescorted convoy will suffer more losses than an escorted convoy than I don't think that is true. Unless a change has been made that I am unaware of, escorts have no effect on how many MS are sunk.

If in the combat calculator there is no aspect of the equation where escorts reduce the chance of sinking an MM then this is contrary to the manual (p.22 & p.83).

Alvaro posted a few months ago that escorts did not reduce the chance of sinking MMs. If this has been changed than that is great, but I don't think it has been changed.

[kennonlightfoot]

Yes I felt the subs where doing fine in our games as well. But I looked in the AARs and actually number of sunk escorts not that high and a lot of subs were sunk as well. So I feel these two games are worse but it is such a small statistical sample so hard to know if it is coincidence or if something has changed. But maybe the subhunter bonus just is not as good as the very random chance of hitting subs with CVs.

I did do a limited test using 1939 through May 40 using 9U17. I built one additional U-Boat unit so the number starts at 2 and increases to 4 by Jan 40. During that time the UK lost 8 Escorts. The Germans only suffered 7 hits to subs. Considering the Germans only need to repair while the UK has to build new Escorts, the German kill ratio would eventually destroy all the Escorts. It is a snowball effect as well since as more Escorts are killed, fewer subs will be damaged so the German player will have more U-Boats out killing Escorts. And these are numbers for 1939/40 when the Germans have to operate out of German ports.

I couldn't tell if loss of escorts had any effect on Merchant kills or not. During the 9 months covered the UK lost 90 Merchants. That is an average of 4.5 per turn. The UK lost the ability to put ten Escorts in both the North and South Atlantic pretty early but they had a least 7 or 8 (with French help) most of the time. I didn't attempt any avoidance tactics by the Germans. They just sailed out and put one stack on North and one or South Atlantic and stayed there until they needed to refuel. In May I did see a rise in kills (7 Merchants per turn) but I stopped my test then.

[ago1000]

@MagicMissle
Gotta love that partisan unit destroying rail lines.
What's your oil situation like? You control Iran's oil too I believe?


@Harrybanana
Thanks for the response.

[MagicMissile]

Nice that someone makes some testing I might try it too later.
Might be we have a small problem in the Escort losses I dont know.
Also Supply oilers might be a bit too good. 30 pp every 5 turns you can stay out at sea forever.

[MagicMissile]

Yes a bit lucky but there were other lines. so no real effect. As can be seen by the complete lack of garrisons basically the partisan threat is rightly not taken particularly seriously. This area too possibly should be looked at. Partisans fairly toothless nowadays.

UK oil was fine with both Persia and Iraq but with the South Atlantic line off it is a bit worse but I think UK still ahve about 75% 300 oil or so.

[MagicMissile]

September 12 1941

Northern part of Russia. Leningrad should survive 1941 anyway.

[MagicMissile]

Central part of Russia. Moscow too should hold. The disaster or at least very ba news are in the south [:)]

[MagicMissile]

An attempt of a huge Dnepr river pocket almost suceeds. Spy reports from Berlin stats that the plan was to force the front eastwards even if there might be some casualties. And in this respect it suceeded. Rostov might well fall and oilfields might be hard to defend in 42.

The classic case of knowing when to run and knowing when to stand. With only two turns of clear weather left I feel I should have retreated from the river. The river alone is not defense enough when facing 9 mech units standing next to you.
Think I was a bit distracted by the mech units in front of Moscow last turn so didnt give the riverline much thought. Ah well live and learn.

I am not sure I might have forgotten screenshots of the last turn of september but I managed to eliminate one arm and one mech corps as a revenge. A small success but in all honesty I feel pretty outplayed in both games for the moment but it is not over [:)].

[MagicMissile]

September 26 1941

I did not forget screenshots [:)]. Now follows some crazy turns which showcases why I really like this game. How you can be thrown from despair to hope and back to despair again (or not).

In the north not much going on.

[MagicMissile]

Not that much going on in the center either

[MagicMissile]

But in the south as I wrote earlier some Soviet counterattacks remove one arm and one mech corps.

Also but not the least I manage to cut off the whole spearhead in the south and that with bad weather approaching.

[MagicMissile]

October 10 1941

In Africa I last turn withdrew a few units from Africa thinking I should take them to europe. Either to Norway or possible invasion of Portugal. This seems to have been spotted and the Axis went to the attack. They severely damage a inf corps but they lose a whole lot of effectiveness so the 8th Army sees its chance and fuel up the 2 arm corps available and rush to the attack. The offensive going way better than expected with both axis one German and one Italian arm corps shattered crazy. So in 2 turns the Axis have lost 4 mech units and raised the allies spirit a lot.

Ignore the Combat report with the Uboats. Nothing to see there just 16 merchants and 1 escort sunk [:)].
German subs now on 43 tech I still have 41 tech escorts (been at 30-40 days for a couple of turns it doesnt move) and my German subs in the other game is 150 days away from 43 tech. Maybe this is something to think about too is the random outcome from tech a bit too big?

[MagicMissile]

In the Sovietunion there is a great cheer for all the rain that falls.

In the south the Panzers own 1812 march begins. I try to gather as much forces around them as I can and I manage to keep them out of supply one more turn.

In the worst case scenario they should be out of action for the whole winter and I should be able to reclaim the land I lost in the first place. In a better scenario there could be some hope of catching a few of them.

Note another invasion now by an italian corps on Crimea.

[MagicMissile]

All eyes are on the south. Rain stops most action in the center

[MagicMissile]

Same in the North.

[MagicMissile]

And finally the situation in Norway. I am not making much headway not even sure what my objective is here but it does take some German units to contain the British.

[MagicMissile]

October 24 1941

The British reach Tobruk. Wont be easy to move that Italian mech might bypass for now we will see.

[MagicMissile]

And in the Ukraine the rain pours down even more and the German mech units are really suffering and again I manage to hold the supply closed.

[MagicMissile]

Central fron t not much happening

[MagicMissile]

And in the north there is a small puss against very weak Soviet units south of the lake.