Luftwaffe vs VVS - GC41 - First Turn Bombing Tips
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RE: Luftwaffe vs VVS - GC41 - First Turn Bombing Tips
Hi metaphore,
thank for your message. Now it's clear how to hit 2 airbases twice using the box system. But how to prevent the empty one from being targeted? I guess I need more practice in setting up boxes!
thank for your message. Now it's clear how to hit 2 airbases twice using the box system. But how to prevent the empty one from being targeted? I guess I need more practice in setting up boxes!
RE: Luftwaffe vs VVS - GC41 - First Turn Bombing Tips
Before building my first AD, I will delete all those automatically created at the start of the game and I will change the Air Doctrine for Ground Attack with those settings:


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RE: Luftwaffe vs VVS - GC41 - First Turn Bombing Tips
Sorry, I got interrupted by familly business!ORIGINAL: Teo41_ITA
Hi metaphore,
thank for your message. Now it's clear how to hit 2 airbases twice using the box system. But how to prevent the empty one from being targeted? I guess I need more practice in setting up boxes!
I'm showing that in a couple of posts
But, in short, the empty ones are never targeted!
RE: Luftwaffe vs VVS - GC41 - First Turn Bombing Tips
Next, we need to check our aircraft loadouts:
- fighters are set without fuel tanks by default
- Bombers (level) are set to 50kg bombs without fuel tanks by default:

- fighters are set without fuel tanks by default
- Bombers (level) are set to 50kg bombs without fuel tanks by default:

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RE: Luftwaffe vs VVS - GC41 - First Turn Bombing Tips
As I'm just implementing jubjub's ADs, I'll copy what he probably did himself:
- KG 77 was reassigned to Luftflotte 2
- StG 1, 2 & 77 were not used and set to REST on turn 1
And now, I think we are good in order to build the first AD.

- KG 77 was reassigned to Luftflotte 2
- StG 1, 2 & 77 were not used and set to REST on turn 1
And now, I think we are good in order to build the first AD.

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RE: Luftwaffe vs VVS - GC41 - First Turn Bombing Tips
Here is the first one, target (171,138) with 5 hexes area:


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RE: Luftwaffe vs VVS - GC41 - First Turn Bombing Tips
About AD settings, I just count the number of occupied airfields in the box and set it as the number of strike for this AD (1 strike per occupied airfield):


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RE: Luftwaffe vs VVS - GC41 - First Turn Bombing Tips
As recommanded by jubjub, we set 40 bombers escorted by 10 fighters for each strike.
The staging base was set at Memel (click on what was picked by the AI and change it) were we sent II/JG54 for escort
Everything else is left to auto for the AI to pick amongst Luftflotte 1 forces (138 fighters, 126 bombers)
The staging base was set at Memel (click on what was picked by the AI and change it) were we sent II/JG54 for escort
Everything else is left to auto for the AI to pick amongst Luftflotte 1 forces (138 fighters, 126 bombers)
RE: Luftwaffe vs VVS - GC41 - First Turn Bombing Tips
Now, we can set the second and last AD for Luftflotte 1.
This time, we'll set 4 strikes (4 occupied airfields), each with 40 bombers and 10 escort, and keep the staging base were the AI put it at Blumenfeld:

This time, we'll set 4 strikes (4 occupied airfields), each with 40 bombers and 10 escort, and keep the staging base were the AI put it at Blumenfeld:

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RE: Luftwaffe vs VVS - GC41 - First Turn Bombing Tips
everything looks so far exactly like jubjub's post (above) and we can start to build Luftflotte 2's ADs


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RE: Luftwaffe vs VVS - GC41 - First Turn Bombing Tips
First AD for Luftflotte 2; at the moment, the number of aircraft auto assigned is higher compared to jubjub's but it will reajust itself later. I also transfered SKG 210 from Luftflotte 2 to Luftflotte 4.

(edit: correct number of strike is 6)

(edit: correct number of strike is 6)
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RE: Luftwaffe vs VVS - GC41 - First Turn Bombing Tips
2nd AD with 2 only strikes; the order matter as they will be executed in this order at the same level of priority.


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RE: Luftwaffe vs VVS - GC41 - First Turn Bombing Tips
3rd AD with 4 airfields to strike; the number of aircraft per strike was always set at 40 (10) in all ADs so far.


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RE: Luftwaffe vs VVS - GC41 - First Turn Bombing Tips
4th AD is manualy assigning 40 unescorted He 111 of KG 53 to strike Baranovichi. The priority of this one is set lower (normal) than all the others.


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RE: Luftwaffe vs VVS - GC41 - First Turn Bombing Tips
5th and last AD for Luftflotte 2 is manually sending Bf 110s from ZG26 to strike deeper those 2 Airfields.


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RE: Luftwaffe vs VVS - GC41 - First Turn Bombing Tips
Those 7 ADs of AGN and AGC with overlapping:


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RE: Luftwaffe vs VVS - GC41 - First Turn Bombing Tips
Thank you metaphore! So your trick is to leave the assignment on auto! I will try that!
RE: Luftwaffe vs VVS - GC41 - First Turn Bombing Tips
ORIGINAL: Teo41_ITA
Thank you metaphore! So your trick is to leave the assignment on auto! I will try that!
It's how jubjub build those ADs and I'm just rebuilding them following his instructions. Also, he explained why things are done like that if you go back to the first page of this thread to read his introduction post.
But yes, unless one has a good reason to assign manually aircraft to missions, the AI will extract more from the pooled a/c, the highest level (Luftflotten) the better.
RE: Luftwaffe vs VVS - GC41 - First Turn Bombing Tips
I'll post the rest of those ADs for AGS as things are quite interesting in the South with Minor Allies forces and Crimean strikes 
First, rebasing KG 55 and SKG 210:

First, rebasing KG 55 and SKG 210:

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RE: Luftwaffe vs VVS - GC41 - First Turn Bombing Tips
1st AD for Luftflotte 4 is targetting 4 airfields with a staging base set at Hostynne... but Rovno AF is out of range for the escort (see green/purple hexes below):


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