WHAT WILL BE THE CHOICES?

[norsemanjs]

You make a good point, in that WiTP is modeling the infrastructure of the 40's and that if you make an 20's or 30's scenario in the editor it will not be able to model the infrastructure of the scenario time frame.

For example the resources of many of the areas would not be nearly as developed. Industrial expansion of the 20's and 30's in this part of the world was significant and would have to be modified to historically reflect reality.

If you are not that concerned wth that level of detail, go for it. That is the whole point of the editor.. It takes some of the heat off of the developers, if you want some wild crazy scenario or don't agree with a particular unit rating the developers can simply tell you " don't worry, you can use the editor to change nearly anything" thereby saving them a lot of time and speeding the eventual delivery of this game to our doors!

I'm sure that most people using this forum will use the editor to some degree once they've tried some of the included scenario's.

[pasternakski]

ORIGINAL: Norseman
If you are not that concerned wth that level of detail, go for it. That is the whole point of the editor.. It takes some of the heat off of the developers, if you want some wild crazy scenario or don't agree with a particular unit rating the developers can simply tell you " don't worry, you can use the editor to change nearly anything" thereby saving them a lot of time and speeding the eventual delivery of this game to our doors!

Sure, and more power to 'em. This is a hobby, and it is supposed to be fun.

I just don't want simulation game design to degenerate into nothing more than pandering to whimsy (sorry, I've been reading early 20th century British essayists again).

[Point Luck]

I'm sure that most people using this forum will use the editor to some degree once they've tried some of the included scenario's.

I for one have been playing only edited versions of UV for the last year or so. My opponents and I never have a problem agreeing to the editing rules for a game. We then do our own editing. This way we never know what the other side has changed.

For the last 6 months we maxed out the total amount of ships and A/C that the game would permit, just so we can practice micro-managment on a large scale just to get ready for the big one. Meanwhile have one great time blowing each other out of the water.

[bilbow]

ORIGINAL: Point Luck

I'm sure that most people using this forum will use the editor to some degree once they've tried some of the included scenario's.

I for one have been playing only edited versions of UV for the last year or so. My opponents and I never have a problem agreeing to the editing rules for a game. We then do our own editing. This way we never know what the other side has changed.

For the last 6 months we maxed out the total amount of ships and A/C that the game would permit, just so we can practice micro-managment on a large scale just to get ready for the big one. Meanwhile have one great time blowing each other out of the water.

To each their own I suppose. For me I've been quite happy playing the standard campaigns ever since UV was first publiched. I don't think I have ever even opened the editor, much less played with it. I expect with WITP I will start out with a couple of full-map scenarios then move on to the big one. And be happily gaming for years to come. If in times to come there is an edited scenario out there that by concensus improves the historicity of the game and is reasonably balanced then I may try it. We are however a long way from that point.

[CynicAl]

ORIGINAL: Apollo11

But how come no Midway scenario?

I can think of at least one very good reason for Midway not to be included - the historical information disparity at the Battle of Midway is difficult to reproduce, and it's even harder to do in a "Midway Scenario." Midway was an ambush, not a set-piece battle. The US knew where the Japanese CVs would be at a particular time; the Japanese, on the other hand, did not know the US CVs were anywhere in the area (and in fact were operating on the assumption that the USN, in accordance with the Japanese script, was halfway to the Aleutians).

In a "Midway Scenario," the Japanese player knows he's in for a CV battle before the game starts. [:-] Randomizing the starting positions isn't enough to solve the problem, unless the USN presence (not just position) is also randomized, with a high probability of the Americans showing up later, or not at all - and also a near-certainty that the invasion will fail if the Japanese player does not adequately support the landings (say, because he's keeping Kido Butai in reserve against a possible appearance by the US CVs). Any "Midway Scenario" that doesn't include a pretty huge level of uncertainty for the Japanese player isn't really a Midway scenario. Similarly, the US player in a "Leyte Gulf Scenario" should never know in advance whether Ozawa's carriers are a real danger or toothless decoys. Hindsight is a b- err, beast[;)], in tactical-level games.