How many would like to see a new and update WiR

[Lucifuge]

That's taking it to far! nobody should give away their dog.

Hey we all have to make sacrifices sometimes and if my dog has to make this one so I may wage war on Russia then so be it! He is a loyal pet after all. Man how greedy are we, we havent even gotten WiTP copies yet and we already want more...

[kev_uk]

WiR is cool, but wouldnt some other theatre be more interesting? The med sounds fantastic, at least its not been widely covered, such as the Eastern Front?

Then again, I did get widely excited about RTM, and look what happened to that? [:(]

Personally I would leave an updated WiR till after a med game, as it will be new ground and I think far more exciting than a soviet-german slugfest which the soviets will always will...

[freeboy]

RTM?

[blam0]

I'd love to see a new WiR!!!!

[Jonny_B]

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Army Infantry Rules!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I would like to see a war game like High Command, only rebuilt by Matrix and 2by3 gamers, a game encompassing the entire European Theatre, North Africa, Atlantic Ocean, middle east, most of Russia and the northern Norway, Sweden Finland areas.

[anarchyintheuk]

I did the exact same thing. I remember getting that sinking "the others are just like this one" feeling after I loaded Jutland first. Looking through the various ships in Tsushima just to the see the various armament and capabilities was interesting though.

[kev_uk]

ORIGINAL: freeboy

RTM?

The infamous 'road to moscow'......

[Onime No Kyo]

I think its time I chimed in on this one. I would LOVE to see a game that encompases all of Europe, Scandinavia, Russia and Med/N. Africa. But I dont think there can be any talk of using the WitP engine for anything. In a game that has little or nothing to do with either airpower or naval affairs (respectively), the WitP land combat style would suck. You would get TOAW all over again and I shudder at the mere thought. So the whole thing will have to be created essentially from scratch (although you can keep the air combat aspect).

I think Matrix could pop out a quickie Med game with minimal effort. But this would be an anticlimax after WitP, like going back to UV after the "big game".

But unless Matrix is averse to making a a few bucks, I say give us a Med game and then throw all your effort (hopefully with all present participants) into an all-Europe game.

[Becket]

Count me in for War in Russia. I want to take a stab at making Operation Mars succeed, or (on the other side) breaking Sixth Army out of Stalingrad early to see if it's possible to save them (doubt it).

Tactical fleet action would be interesting, but my tactical land-based dance card is filled up with Combat Mission (BB and AK). No RTS, please, but WE-GO would rock.

[Becket]

ORIGINAL: kev_uk
Personally I would leave an updated WiR till after a med game, as it will be new ground and I think far more exciting than a soviet-german slugfest which the soviets will always will...

Why would the Soviets always win? IMO, the Germans can acheive a knockout blow by taking Moscow or the Caucasus region (rules would need to assume that the Soviet government doesn't escape Moscow prior to its fall, though). It should be hard, but possible. If the Germans fail to achive victory by the end of 42, then the juggernaut is coming, and it's more a matter of how long can you hold out.

[Becket]

ORIGINAL: Damien Thorn

ORIGINAL: Ron Saueracker

ORIGINAL: Hartley

Sure, but what is the commercial potential of any wargame not involving US forces ?

Sad but true in many respects.

I don't think so. Maybe it's because I almost never play the US (except in revolutionary war scenarios or Nato vs USSR scenarios) but I think most people who play the US would be very happy playing either Germany or the Soviets.

I think Battlefront did just fine with Combat Mission: Barbarrossa to Berlin, even though it features nary a Western soldier.

[Onime No Kyo]

After the shelacking I just receved from Arnir I hesitate to make a statement of this scope, but I would contend that the Wehrmacht had very little chance of completely destroying Russia's ability to make war. I think the standing misconception is that by taking Moscow, the Germans would have won the war. This is a mistake in my opinion. The key to defeating Russia was the industry and oil supplies. By throwing Guderian at Moscow instead of Kiev, Germany would have forefitted much of the advantage they had going into the summer offensive of '42, making the penetration of the Caucasus that much harder. Much of the heavy industry was already out of reach in the Urals by this time. As for the government, that would be very silly, with Uncle Joe having a train waiting for him at the station.

[freeboy]

oni,
Fortunately we will never know, but I agree, and I like to point out vast areas greeted the germans as liberators... strange but true. If they had the sense to "free" these subjugated peoples perhaps several hundred thousand troops, or more could have been trained and deployed.

[kaleun]

There is three kinds of stupid: Stupid, realy stupid, and attacking Russia

That said, I always played the Germans when playing WIR.
[8|]

[Becket]

ORIGINAL: freeboy

oni,
Fortunately we will never know, but I agree, and I like to point out vast areas greeted the germans as liberators.

It is true that the Kazahks and other ethnic minorities felt this way. To their everlasting sorrow, for the most part. The persecution by their "liberators" came quickly, and then the persecution by Stalin fell swiftly after the territory was retaken. [:(]

To Oni -- the point about Moscow is really tied in to whether they get Stalin. If Stalin dies, IMO there would be a huge power vacuum, perhaps significant enough to cause the country to surrender. Maybe not, though. However, if they achieve Moscow and the Cacausus, then Russia's ability to make war would be gone, for at least a few years. The Soviets might wait patiently on the other side of the Urals, then come out years later to counterattack, but that's about all they could do.

Remember, if Gamelin had positioned better forces at Sedan, or if he had abandoned the Dyle Plan and kept his forces in France, we might be talking about whether or not it was possible for the Germans to take France. OKW put the chances of success at 10%. Barbarrossa is similar, to me at least.

[highblooded]

The Eastern Front is my favorite WW2 theater of all time. I would definately purchase an updated version of WIR. Gary please please please remake this game for windows.

[Stavka_lite]

ORIGINAL: Becket

ORIGINAL: Damien Thorn

ORIGINAL: Ron Saueracker



Sad but true in many respects.

I don't think so. Maybe it's because I almost never play the US (except in revolutionary war scenarios or Nato vs USSR scenarios) but I think most people who play the US would be very happy playing either Germany or the Soviets.

I think Battlefront did just fine with Combat Mission: Barbarrossa to Berlin, even though it features nary a Western soldier.

Battlefront released Afrika Korps (Med Front) a couple of months ago and you can't find a Russian anywhere in that game[:D]

[PlacidDragon]

I'd definately order an updated WIR, that is my favorite strategy war game of all time (hands down)

[Joel Billings]

Just so everyone knows, back in 2000 we put a lot of time into the database, map and initial design of a new Russian front game. If I remember it right, it was 10 mile hexes and used a system that was turn based with move/attack in the same phase. This was put on the back burner while we finished UV/WitP and then World at War. We felt that World at War had greater sales potential and after all of the time invested in UV/WitP we wanted to work on something a little simpler. If/when we get back to working on a Russian Front game, it will be the one we started work on in 2000. We know what we wanted to do, just didn't have the time to do it and everything else. Once WitP and GGWaW come out, we have at least 5 games we are interested in working on (the only two you guys know about now are Med War and Russian Front). As usual, our eyes are bigger than our stomachs. We'll just have to all wait and see what develops. [:)]

[mogami]

Wow I'd love a screen shot of the map. [X(]