It there were another...

swagman · Post by **swagman** » Thu Jan 10, 2002 7:18 am

Sorry if I am being "practical", but given the poor response to the latest MC...shouldn't the focus be on potential sales.

Most MC's will be sold in the States...a popular US unit is likely to sell well...the MC would follow that unit through its battles in a number or theatres...the desert, italy, western europe...I don't know which would be best...the big red one, 1st armourmed or 101 Airborne...european battles would be preferable due to the armour.

If the intention is to sell only to the converted, then a mini-campaign or winter war would be as good as any...but to attract new buyers, the potential buying public needs to be identified, and a product built that caters both to the new and the old.

As a SPWAW die-hard, I would love a single campaign from start to finish, like Italy...but I would gues US customers would be more likely to buy "Battles of America's own 101st" than "MC Italian Campaign".

richmonder · Post by **richmonder** » Thu Jan 10, 2002 9:33 am

Being an American, I can say for myself - no.

American force action gets overdone - it's in every WW2 game. I am interested in what the British faced when attacking up the Italian penisula. Hey, the majority of Euro-Americans are of British descent anyways.

Redleg · Post by **Redleg** » Thu Jan 10, 2002 10:03 am

U.S. forces will NOT influence me to purchase a M/C. In fact, it would be a deterrant.

I would like to see something different!

Soviet
Finland (either Winter War or Continuation)
Axis Allies
Canadian or Anzac
Etc, etc

TheZel66 · Post by **TheZel66** » Thu Jan 10, 2002 9:47 pm

or how about a us/russian invasion of the japanese mainland....

ubertechie · Post by **ubertechie** » Thu Jan 10, 2002 11:09 pm

Originally posted by skukko: - edited

For example Ubertechies own work, Sealion, has according his words already 50 battles built. That is alot of work. ( Gongrats, pal <img src="wink.gif" border="0"> ) Think about it a while... Without better knowledge of these scenarios: If they are independent scenarios that are tight-depending of results, it cuts actuall battles, (ones that gamer sees) to 1/3 or even 1/6, -of 50. Not much to fight ? If these scenarios are not diverting anywhere, it would need at least 100 differend variations of each scenario, if attached to a MC. Does that campaign and events around it provide so much material that it want be just slight changes to base scenario? Does it feed designers imagination to do it from bottom of a heart? mosh

Thanks for the congrats - a bit of further info and to answer a few questions.
there are 50 battles as in 50 different area maps - most of these have at least 2 (some as many as 5) possible variations (not yet completed but storyboarded) - Whilst i agree that it may not be enough to produce a MC big enough to be sold - im doing it because i live in the area and it is of particluar interest to me and furhter its a way of Paying for SPWAW by giving something back - KUDOS to MATRIX for having hte balls to do it in the 1st place and felt that the normal campaign tools just didnt allow me to create the campaign i wanted to

I have plenty of material to support this campaign - pictures etc and am willing to do the work - but as the MC tools are not in the PD then i cant - what do i do next ? - i cant build a MC without them - i have even previously offered to sign a NDA/liscence for a 1 time use - no avail - i understand that they are IP for matrix but dont know the way forward - any comments WB or MATRIX ?

Thanks
Ubertechie

RockinHarry · Post by **RockinHarry** » Thu Jan 10, 2002 11:28 pm

I would like to see (..or help design) a Brit or Canadian side campaign for ETO 44/45 either NWE or Italy, starting with sicily.
Also a soviet side campaign from 1943 onward would be great!

__________
Harry

Grumble · Post by **Grumble** » Fri Jan 11, 2002 12:19 am

My two euro's:

1- Winter War through Continuation and Lapland Wars
2- Norway Campaign
3- Chindits/"Merrill's Marauders" in China, Burma, India

I personally don't agree with the "huge is better" philosophy. I could've generated a Russian Campaign in '41-42 or North Africa '41-43 (and have), but that didn't stop me from enjoying the Mega-Campaigns based on both of those theaters...

RichardTheFirst · Post by **RichardTheFirst** » Fri Jan 11, 2002 12:20 pm

Excuse me for being a pain, but sometimes I get p***ed.

RockinHarry, you are not an english-speaker, so no excuse: what is ETO and NWE?

!"$"$%$/&/)(/)=?(=?(("%%/&)=

K G von Martinez · Post by **K G von Martinez** » Fri Jan 11, 2002 3:52 pm

ETO = European Theater of Operations
NWE = ???

@Grumble: do you think your ideas are so much more valuable than others? 2 Euros = 200 cent, while everybody else only gives his two cents! <img src="biggrin.gif" border="0"> <img src="biggrin.gif" border="0">

Resisti · Post by **Resisti** » Fri Jan 11, 2002 3:53 pm

Originally posted by RichardTheFirst:
Excuse me for being a pain, but sometimes I get p***ed.

RockinHarry, you are not an english-speaker, so no excuse: what is ETO and NWE?

!"$"$%$/&/)(/)=?(=?(("%%/&)=

ETO= European Theatre of Operations
NWE= not sure but I guess for: North West Europe

RichardTheFirst · Post by **RichardTheFirst** » Sat Jan 12, 2002 1:44 am

Cheers Federico and kgvm, although North West Europe will be England, Ireland, Iceland... (not much sense)

asgrrr · Post by **asgrrr** » Sat Jan 12, 2002 1:51 am

Originally posted by RichardTheFirst:
Cheers Federico and kgvm, although North West Europe will be England, Ireland, Iceland... (not much sense)

Wazza... Iceland not interesting? We do play football you know...
And Iceland played a big part in WW2... my granpa heard the Hood blow up!

Allright, I'll stop now.
<img src="wink.gif" border="0">

Grumble · Post by **Grumble** » Sat Jan 12, 2002 2:11 am

@Grumble: do you think your ideas are so much more valuable than others? 2 Euros = 200 cent, while everybody else only gives his two cents!

YES THEY ARE! <img src="smile.gif" border="0">
(Well, I can't give 2 Pfennig anymore....)

Frank W. · Post by **Frank W.** » Sat Jan 12, 2002 3:31 am

Originally posted by Wild Bill:

Now that would definitely be a UN kind of war! <img src="biggrin.gif" border="0">
Wild Bill

U.N.???

how about korea than???

cool idea,or not?

stuff is almost the same as WWII

voyrep · Post by **voyrep** » Sat Jan 12, 2002 7:05 am

I would like to see a MC covering the Finnish offensive towards Leningrad in 1941.
This should be a tough one as the Finns lacked
tank support most if not all the time.

I also like the idea to command the Brits from Sicily and onwards.

Voyrep

V-man · Post by **V-man** » Sat Jan 12, 2002 9:41 am

Originally posted by Wild Bill:
If there were another Mega Campaign, what area-time frame would you like to play?

Wild Bill

Normandy, the Bocage, to Paris. that leaves a LOT of fighting, very intense, especially the breakout.
You have the landings, the buildup of the beachead, the breakout, the pursuit, even Falaise, if you like UK action.
The mix of units is US, Canadian, UK, Polish, Czech, German (including less than fully German Static units!), Paras, Funnies, Waffen-SS and Panzer Lehr!

RockinHarry · Post by **RockinHarry** » Mon Jan 14, 2002 2:50 pm

Originally posted by RichardTheFirst:
Excuse me for being a pain, but sometimes I get p***ed.

RockinHarry, you are not an english-speaker, so no excuse: what is ETO and NWE?

!"$"$%$/&/)(/)=?(=?(("%%/&)=

<img src="eek.gif" border="0"> <img src="biggrin.gif" border="0">

Sorry....

ETO = European Theater (of) Operations
NWE = North West Europe

...thought that were well known Abbrevs. for all us history buffs here.

________
Harry

Christophe Jaureguiberry · Mon Jan 14, 2002 7:33 pm

Originally posted by Wild Bill:
[QBThe second one is (2) a series of smaller Mega Campaigns. That would include a lot of those mentioned, Poland vs Germany, France 40, Torch, Kursk, Bagration, the Minor Countries (Balkans), or one on a commando group. Perhaps Merrill's Marauders, Battle of the Bulge, Market Garden, Stalingrad...all of these would make nice little Mega Campaigns of 15-20 battles with documentation and pics, etc.
Wild Bill[/QB]

Hello Wild Bill,

I share your opinion that MC should be fun and give us the opportunity to learn something new. My vote for a new MC goes to a collection of mini-campaigns concentrating on "exotics". This could include: Poland 1939 on the Polish side, France 1940 on the French side, the Narvik campaign on the Allied (French/British/Polish) side or German side, the Italian invasion of Abyssinia 1935 on the Italian side, Italy in the Balkans on the Italian side, Guadalajara on the Italian or Spanish Republican side, Merill's Marauders on the Allied side, The Chindits on the Allied side, the Invasion of Malaysia (+Singapore) on Japan's side, Japanese offensive in China on Japan's side, the invasion of the Phillipines on Japan's side, the British campaign against the Italians in Abyssinia 1941 (on the British side), etc, etc...

Regards,

Christophe

RichardTheFirst · Post by **RichardTheFirst** » Tue Jan 15, 2002 7:25 am

Originally posted by RockinHarry:

ETO = European Theater (of) Operations
NWE = North West Europe

...thought that were well known Abbrevs. for all us history buffs here.

Accepted <img src="biggrin.gif" border="0"> . Not all of us are history buffs here although I could have reached the ETO if I thought a little bit (I guess I'm reserving my little gray cells for more important things).

Now don't do it again (clap). <img src="biggrin.gif" border="0">

panda124c · Post by **panda124c** » Fri Jan 18, 2002 10:40 am

Another thought how about a small MC of the Canadians clearing the Anturp (spelling sorry) estuary, lots of little anphibous invasions. Spelling is real bad tonight. Landing craft, allagators, infantry. <img src="biggrin.gif" border="0"> <img src="biggrin.gif" border="0">