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Battle of the Celebes Sea

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5 April 1944

The question is how can this game screw both players so badly in one turn? Here's how:

My CVTF move ESE 5 hexes except for the Lexington TF which remains behind one hex. That is a fact that will become important later. The main US fleet ends up launching no strikes at all this turn. During the AM phase the convoy I was trying to get was clouded over. During the PM phase the hex the CVTF's were in was clouded over. This if frustrating because the IJN carriers appeared near Jolo. They were five hexes away but I guess for some reason the US fleet didn't think a long range attack was worthwhile. So no launches at all from a force of 3 CV and 6 CVL.

During the AM phase, the Lexington TF was clouded over so the IJN concentrates on the big three. Four major strikes were launched and the CAP wiped them all. That's right not a single leaker. In the AM phase the Japanese lost 37 A6M5, 124 Judy, 83 Jill, and 9 Kate. Also a weak Kamikaze strike from Mindano say 24 Tony and 6 Sally destroyed.

During the PM phase the Lexington TF reacted to the Japanese alone. Nice huh? This TF launches a strike that yields some nice results:

CV Kasagi, Bomb hits 1, on fire
BB Musashi, Bomb hits 1
CV Taiho, Torpedo hits 4, on fire, heavy damage
CL Jintsu, Bomb hits 2, on fire

In addition another 3 A6M5 are shot down. Nice to get the TT hits on Taiho with her armored flight deck. The hit on Kasagi gave an internal explosion critical. Of course the hit on Musashi bounce. I suspect Jintsu is hurting. The counter strike was devastating but here is where the game did me a favor. Only two CV based strikes accompanied by two Kamikaze strikes. Again we see the A6M5c in Kami mode. In all the IJN lost another 20 A6M5, 7 Judy and 13 Jill plus all the Kamikazes. But as hard as this may be to say I got lucky here. Every last attack concentrated on CV Lexington with the exception of one non-penetrating Kami hit on BB SoDak. Lexington sunk and I now have the distinction of losing both Lexington I and Lexington II. This could have been much worse if the Japanes had spread their attacks out on all three carriers. Lexington took 5 TT and 10 Kamikaze hits before succombing.

Total air losses on the day were 462 for Japanese vice 101 for Allies. Very few of the Allied losses were F6F-3's. I am taking a gamble here and moving my entire CV force to just S of Jolo. My hope is to at least catch Taiho and perhaps Kasagi. If I am luck I may get a shot at the entire CV force. Will be interesting to see if Larry keeps all his CVTF in the area to cover the retreating cripples. My thinking is that with all those losses, the Japanese carrier air wings have got to be about shot. The risk of counterstrike is as low as it might ever be. I feel fairly comfortable with this as the combined CVTF's were able to fend off everything the Japs sent at them. Even though I lost Lexington, the three carriers in that TF aquitted themselves pretty well. Should be an interesting turn. I gave all the CVTF the same destination hex, i.e. no follow TF order. In addition, I put the distant groups at Full Speed to assure they crossed the intervening 5 hexes in one turn

To be honest I was pretty hacked off when I saw this turn play out. It was bad enough to have that lone CVTF go off on its own but to have not a single strike from the bulk of my force killed me. Then I looked at the Ship Availability screen and I get 10 USN and 1 RN CV in the next 195 days. With that force I can reign death upon the IJN. Also there are three CV and 2 CVL in CentPac right now.

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RE: Battle of the Celebes Sea

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6 April 1944

Well the Japanese ran away. My strikes put another TT into Taiho and she sinks. AIr losses today were 101 Japanese vs 11 Allied. SO two day total is 563 to 112. Not all of the 112 were CV airgroup losses as I had losses hit other places too.

My Hellcat airgroups don't look so hot so I chose to head back to port. The area north of Jolo is full of TF's but I just can't risk it. Best to head back, upgrade teh F6F-3's to -5 and maybe a few F4U-1D sq to boot and get my invasions going.
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RE: Battle of the Celebes Sea

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7 April 1944

After so much action, things slow down. The Japanese carriers are at Manilla. It is so nice knowing there location. Larry will probably have to pull them out of the theater to get the DL to fall on them now. IL-4 in China peg them every turn now. The US CV's are now ESE of Tarakan and heading for teh Makassar Strait

I am considering a right turn. My plan was to proceed up the SW coast of Bornea to finish the Isolation of Singapore. I am thinking of stopping at Sampit and instead proceed towards Tarakan, Jesselton, and Jolo Island. These bases will allow me to cut off the South China Sea and be more in the general direction I am thinking which is Formosa. I think and invasion of Luzon is back on the menu. Will have to do some reconning to see how stout the garrison is there. I don't want to get bogged down in a land another protracted land battle.

The first units have arrived at Makassar. Will be a few more turns before the rest catch up. I sent one Tank BTN to the hex west of the base to isolate it. I don't want a large Japanes force retreating into the jungle that will force me to keep anything more than a token garrison here
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RE: Battle of the Celebes Sea

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I just looked at your last screenshot and pulled up Big B's mod from the Allied side. I noticed a few things. [:)] 

I see that Talaud Island is still an Allied dot base with port 0(1) and AF 0(1); Galeia is Japanese with port 0(1) and AF 0(2), but unoccupied. What about a grab for Namlea and/or Manado?? I would look at bases that are unoccupied and/or lightly held to make a swift strike in this direction.

Not knowing your force disposition, but I would take Namlea and make a lightning strike for Talaud Island and use massive numbers of transports and/or patrol planes to build this base up quickly.
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RE: Battle of the Celebes Sea

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8-9 APril

US CVTF are near Makassar. They should make Lautem in two turns. There they will upgrade and repp up before everybody sets off for Bandjermasin.

Half my units arrive at Makassar. I have another 500 AS one hex away. Should easily have a 2:1 edge in base AV before I turn the bombers and SCTF loose on the Japanese based there.

Not much else going on right now.


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RE: Battle of the Celebes Sea

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10-15 April 1944

Slow turns and I fell off the first page. Those of you who read my opponents AAR know he had a sub torpedo CVL Belleau Wood on the 13th. She is safely at Lautem pumping out. A sweep of Balikpapan on the 15th yielded nearly even losses. These are a tough group of units. Must be one of the few Larry has. The first deliberate atack at Makassar on the 13th went off at 1 to 1, reduced forts to 7, and cause 1900 Japanese casualties to 300 Allied. Another Deliberate attack is ordered next turn. Larry has been flying in troops and/or supplies and these have been routinely intercepted by LRCAP

There appears to be a IJN CVTF near Palambang heading into the Java Sea. They are on a collision course with my Bandjermasin TF's. CV Enterprise was at Lautem after upgradig to F6F-5. I am rushing her and her two CVL consorts into the battle zone. At this point only 10 F6F are repaired. I am hping to get at least another ten before battle is joined. I know this is a risk but I think I need the firepower here. In addition, P-38 LRCAP can be provided from Maumere and will be

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RE: Battle of the Celebes Sea

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16-17 APril 1944

The Japanese carriers went to Batavia and then through the Selat Sunda. A USN fleet boat put a TT into CA Chikuma. The IJN CVTF and a SCTF are 600 nm SSW of Padang. That base is at 4/90%. I have another 50 fighters tagged for there if it can make it before the Japanese arrive. The is a stout RN SCTF at Padang built around 2 BB, BC Renown, a CA, two RN CL, CL Honolulu and about 10 DD.

The US CVTF are off Bandjermasin waiting for my MSW TF which got lost. It will take two turns for that unit to get there. Tempted to just send the troops in, there are MSW embedded in the AMPH TF. The Enterprise TF is approaching and will arrive next turn. F6F strength of CV Enterprise is now 23/40. Should be near full strength in two turns. If things go well at Bandjermasin, I may run the US CVTF north to block the Selat Sunda. Wouldn't that be a pickle to put the IJN into. Only concern is there is a lot of Japanese LBA up there.

I suspect we will see a max effort at Padang next turn. I expect CV air plus likely a SCTF raid accompanied by a strong LBA attack from Malaya. Not much I can do at this point in time. Two more days is all I needed. Still even if we get some leakers on the RN SCTF, they will be doing their job. It is likely that the Japanese aircraft losses will be very high. The KB may be trying to run home with no aircraft aboard. The other option is that Larry may head west to try to raid commerce in the IO. He will find .......... nothing! There is not a single convoy out there now

On the 15th the second deliberate attack at Makassar came off at 2 to 1 and reduced forts to 6. Bombarding now. When is it a good time to go shock attack? Do I wait until I get a 3 to 1 deliberate attack?

My Superbees were moved up to Diamond Harbor and I failed to reset thm so they hit Hong Kong's AB. Darn I wanted to wait a few more days until I had all four groups ready. Oh well. Recon of Miri ad Brunei will start in a few turns. These are the first targets on my list
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RE: Battle of the Celebes Sea

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18-21 April

The troops are ashore at Bandjermasin and find only three BF there. I guess three ID and four tank units was a bit of overkill. The Japanese have not struck this invasion at all. I think I may have caught Larry flatfooted here. I think he was expecting a move on Bali, Java, or Balikpapan. Bandjer is a SPS 3(3) AB. Engineers inbound.

At Makassar, successive Deliberate Attacks have reduce Forts to 4. The Deliberate attack on the 21st came off at 7 to 1. The one on the 22nd came off at 2 to 1. I am going back to resting. Was really surprised I didn't capture the base on the 7 to 1 attack. I don't understand the combat results some times as at Sian I had level 8 forts and good supply when the base fell and all my units surrendered in a single 4 to 1 attack.

Units will begin loading for Amboina next turn. I am pulling the Makassar and the bulk of the Bandjer combat units back to Darwin for R&R. I have two ID that were in the SOlomons at Townsville now nearly fully reconstituted. I am in the process of pulling the 33rd ID out of Buin. It has been replaced by a NZ Inf BGD.

The second marines are being pulled from Enitewok and are being replaced with a RCT.

The IJN CV's have not yet returned from their IO adventures. The 3rd and 4th B-29 units have arrived and have moved to Diamond Harbor. They will shift to Rangoon to hit resources on northern Borneo
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RE: Battle of the Celebes Sea

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22 April 1944

Bandjermasin falls with a whimper rather than a bang. The three BF retreat into the jungle to become training targets. Hey, what's good for the goose is good for the gander. Disruption falling a little slow at Makassar. Holding on the next Deliberate Attack for one turn. I have the MSW to sweep the hex now that Bandjer is done. I will sweep and then off load some supplies. That should help the situation there. Engineers leaving Darwin for Makassar and Bandjermasin.

Found me an AO in the Northern Java Sea. I think he is trying to head out to refuel the IJN CVTF lurking out there some where. To make room for the B-29's at Rangoon, Trico now has a fair number of Liberators. If Larry decides a raid in the IO is a good idea, he may run into some trouble.

Larry admitted he is feeling a MS pinch. He has been using AP's to move resources. He is gonna feel the squeeze even more real soon

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There Here!!!

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23-24 APril 1944

The Superbees hit Brunei on the 24th. Only 108 planes made it out of 192. Only 48 Oil hits. Faigue went through the roof. Going to have to get used to using these guys. In the meantime they will rest up before heading south again.

Makassar fell on the 24th. MSW inbound then Supplies and Av support.

The combined efforts of subs and LBA are yielding at least one MS a day of late (TK/AK/AP). A sub hit a MLE off Tarakan. Wonder if that was heading in or out.

As this most recent series of invasions are wrapping up, its time for counter air ops again. Large concentrations of Japanese a/c are present at Singers, Sorobaja, and Balikapan. Time to hit the Japanese LBA where they are

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RE: There Here!!!

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You could rest your Super Bees up.
Next, make sure they all have good leaders.
Then, without recon hit the port at Manila.
Why?? He probably retreated his CVs there after your last encounter. You might not sink them, but put them out of commission for a few months.
 
Give thought to hitting some of his major repair shipyards with them to put some fear in him. [;)]
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RE: There Here!!!

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No the CV's are in the IO except maybe for Amagi. They disappeared through the Selat Sunda a week ago and have not come back. I think Larry has the misbelief that I have a bunch of convoys running from Aden to Perth. As I said before, nothing but empty ocean out there. With My CV's sitting off Bandjermasin, he has a problem now doesn't he? I am thinking about refueling them form the AO's I brought and Sending up to Sunda to be ready for the IJN CVTF return. He has to come back through Selat Sunda (Sunda Strait) as his only other rentry points would be Bali or Timor and that would be a VERY bad idea. As there has not been a single raid against the Bandjermasin force, sorties are all near 100% in my CVTF.

I do like the Manilla idea though. The one unit at Brunei is light pink so I doubt there is enough supply there to repair the damage. In addition with Makassar and Bandjermasin coming online in the next week or so, B-24's and B-17's can rough up Brunei, Miri, and Tarakan. I may attempt a landing at Amboina supported with just the 9 CVE I have in theater and LRCAP from Lautem. This might catch my opponent on his heels if the main CVTF's are still in the Western Java Sea. Just two years ago in game time the shoe was on the other foot with the KB roaming the Java Sea killing everything in its path. While the game as Allies at this point is about 80% administrative, the 20% part is a lot of fun.
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RE: There Here!!!

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I really like the KB ambush idea. Sounds like it has potential.
 
By the way, I've been reading your AAR for a while now, and I've really enjoyed it. Thanks for writing it!
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RE: There Here!!!

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ORIGINAL: HMS Resolution

I really like the KB ambush idea. Sounds like it has potential.

By the way, I've been reading your AAR for a while now, and I've really enjoyed it. Thanks for writing it!

Thank you for the encouragement. I am sure most AAR writers not named Cuttle fish wonder if anyone is out there at times. I am really growing to like the blockade of the Selat Sunda idea. Only problem is Singers which has 40 fighters and 130 bombers present. Hmmm, how about sweeps out of Padang then a hearty B-29 raid on the AB there. He better get back soon because if he were to run out of fuel = no sorties. I have no idea how long a TF on cruise setting could stay out there but it has to reach a limit eventually. Need to check my notes and see exactly when I spotted them last
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RE: There Here!!!

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25-26 APril 1944

The Superbees are resting. All leaders have been checked a a few replaced. In addition 10th AF HQ is moved to Rangoon to help out I hope.

The Kamikaze's came again today at both Makassar and Pinrang. The CAP did its job but we had a few leakers. No hits. CAP is being augmented in both locales. The mines are cleared at Makassar and the MSW move to Pinrang to clear some there. I need to finish unloading supplies at Bandjermasin. Unfortunately thsi base is a bit exposed so I need to offload a bunch so as to not run out.

Still no site of teh IJN CV's. I lost track of tehm on the 17th. So they have been lurking out in the IO for nine days. They have to be coming back soon.

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RE: There Here!!!

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Still no site of the IJN CV's. I lost track of them on the 17th. So they have been lurking out in the IO for nine days. They have to be coming back soon.


Would he consider a raid towards NW corner of Australia?? If you have Exmouth built up, your OK, but he may be looking for unescorted transports over there and towards the map edge. Just a few thougths.

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RE: There Here!!!

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Still no site of the IJN CV's. I lost track of them on the 17th. So they have been lurking out in the IO for nine days. They have to be coming back soon.


Would he consider a raid towards NW corner of Australia?? If you have Exmouth built up, your OK, but he may be looking for unescorted transports over there and towards the map edge. Just a few thougths.


I considered that too but Broome is a level 8 AB now so I don't think he would ventrue too close to that part of the Map. As to transports, they don't exist. The only shipping in the entire IO is between Aden and Ceylon. My supplies have been running from WC to Townsville to Darwin. LBA is continualy hitting all AB in northern NG to keep that SLOC clear. The bulk of the eastern MS fleet just returned to Ceylon from Padang and is repping/upgrading while the RN heals. So until I move on northern Sumutra, there is no plan for any new MS activity in the IO. I have to believe they are steaming out there in circles trying to find something. Now I have my CVTF parked about 500 NM from the Sunda Strait. Even if he tries to sprint back, Sunderlands out of Padang should pick them up at least 300 nm west of the strait. That will give me ample time to get my CVTF in position. In probably about two or three turns, I will hit Singers as hard as I can. That base may be his best hope to deter me from risking my carriers.

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The Waiting is the Hardest part.

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27-28 April 1944

Two slow turns. Another Japanese TK goes down. I literally am seeing a MS sinking every turn these days. Troops loading for AMboina. Supplies unloading at Bandjermasins and Makassar. I am switching out the US 6th ID at Pinrang for two Aussie BGD.

Did a full map check today and realize I again need to repoistion MS.

One thing I have been doing for the last few weeks is moving supplies and a few units up to NoPAC. Unmak Is is being developed as an AB. I could use a little more AV Support up here.

It has been eleven days and still no sign of the IJN CVTF. We wait. Resting up some units so I can hit SIngers in 2 days.
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RE: The Waiting is the Hardest part.

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It has been eleven days and still no sign of the IJN CVTF. We wait.

That is interesting and disturbing. Perhaps he has oilers in the IO as well?
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