Pricing Suggestion

[Aurelian]

ORIGINAL: aaatoysandmore

And yes, I have EU 1-3 and HOI 1-3.

I do too, but, I never play them. I just have them on a shelf. I got them from Steam on some bargain bin sale for like $4.99 or $7.99 The only Paradox game I ever play is CKII. I played a lillte EU: Rome, but, haven't loaded it back up to play in years. I really don't care for the HOI's system or the Victoria's or the EU's. It's not the kind of game or wargame if you can call them that, that I want to play. I like turn based. I'm surprised I liked CKII but I play it for the dynasty building sim game moreso than the wargame of it, as the ai is just a pushover and I can take over the whole map if I want to in no time. In fact I play it to where when I have 25 provinces I give it to the ai player and I start over as count somewhere, that's more fun than playing a risklike game I can't lose. It's fun to watch the ai destroy what I build up over the years.

I had the misfortune to get involved in a multiplayer HOI 2. It was a freaking disaster. Too many arguments over the turn speed. Then on the second try, some guy wanted to free Palestine. So he ran the game for awhile. When he let us in, the game just feel apart. Brain dead Britain, France attacks Germany in 1937.....

Give me PBEM every time. And none of this Albania conquers Europe stuff.

[wodin]

You can have a strategy game with no war of fighting whatsoever. Could be a business empire type game.

A strategy game is a game that usually is at a higher scale than a tactical or operational game. I.E You have Grand Strategy games like HOI or WitPAE or Strategic Command series. A Strategy wargame normally has resources and finances etc to manage aswell as combat. Operational and esp tactical games concentrate on the fighting with no governmental aspects i.e Decisive Campaigns or Steel Panthers.

Strategy is normally your long term plan in a Grand Strat game..where as tactics are your pl;ans for a tactical game.

ORIGINAL: Joel Levin

this will probably seem like blasphemy to some here but i just can't see the difference between wargames and strategy games. There are a few posts here trying to explain but i just can't see it. It's all strategy games as far as im concerned. There are two types of strategy games, rts and tbs. That's it.. Atleast in my world. :p it's all about tactics and resource handling.. Wether it be manpower, units or oil and steel it's all about the winning strategy regardless of the setting and the era.

[dutchman55555]

I see that Tim Stone's review was less than glowing, and price did come into expectations of what the customer should be receiving, versus what he's actually getting.

[parusski]

I have arrived. After waiting through 27 pages of this drivel I will settle the issue. ALL games should be managed through exchanges. The prices of all games should be income based and the exchanges should be run by the US government.

See, easy solution. Now everyone go back to gaming...or posting.

[Boomer78]

Just wait until hyperinflation kicks in! You'll see a great deal for a game going for only $399.99. Of course by that time they'll jack the minimum wage up to $75/hour, just to make the little urban peons think they've got a bargain. And onwards and upwards we go.

[dutchman55555]

ORIGINAL: Boomer78

Just wait until hyperinflation kicks in! You'll see a great deal for a game going for only $399.99.

Or as Matrix calls it, Next Tuesday.

[parusski]

ORIGINAL: Boomer78

Just wait until hyperinflation kicks in! You'll see a great deal for a game going for only $399.99. Of course by that time they'll jack the minimum wage up to $75/hour, just to make the little urban peons think they've got a bargain. And onwards and upwards we go.

Yes, that will all occur.

But we have a problem with any pricing model in dealing with the dirty Dutch. Josh remain silent.

[aaatoysandmore]

ORIGINAL: parusski

I have arrived. After waiting through 27 pages of this drivel I will settle the issue. ALL games should be managed through exchanges. The prices of all games should be income based and the exchanges should be run by the US government.

See, easy solution. Now everyone go back to gaming...or posting.

All these pricing threads ever amount to is "what I think" opinion threads. Waste of time to even post in them really, but, there's nothing else to do. Matrixgames or really no other site is going to care what we say on pricing. You ever see them immediately change some price of their newest games or even their oldest? You're all just blowing smoke into the wind or spitting in it. lol Best talk about something worthwhile like the upcoming Field of Glory II if it will be as bad as the first or will it be improved for solo play?

[Mad Russian]

ORIGINAL: gradenko_2000


Hearts of Iron 3 is a deep and complex strategy that does cover the Eastern Front, and is Paradox's best-selling game, but that's just an anomaly, I guess.

Hearts of Iron 3 is a game so overpriced that it's unbelievable. I bought Hearts of Iron 1 and it was a piece of junk. They took all our complaints and put them into Hearts of Iron 2 which was better but still no good. Finally they got to Hearts of Iron 3. If you paid to be a Beta Tester for Paradox along that journey that game is tremendously overpriced.

Good Hunting.

MR

[aaatoysandmore]

I didn't even buy HOI III and all the DLC when it was cheaper than dirt like $3.99, I think it and the expansions were something like $7.99 combined because Semper Fi was in there and they thought the cow jumped over the moon with that expansion and the patch they tried to charge everyone for by putting it in Semper Fi. Making History the 2nd one was a better game, better ai, and more fun to play. It's even turn based.

[Hotschi]

ORIGINAL: dutchman55555

Or as Matrix calls it, Next Tuesday.

This is not a Matrix reply - that's what I always hear from my landlord whenever I ask him when he's going to fix something at this place I've rented [:@]

[navwarcol]

I think that for an average family to go, say, to a sporting event or a concert, or for that matter, to a fairly nice (non-McDonalds) dinner.. they will already spend this price, or more, for something that will be but a memory the next day. I sincerely doubt the claims of unaffordability, etc. based on that.
I can somewhat understand the idea about a demo... I would have hesitated at that one also, except knowing these developers from the old Harpoon days, and knowing they would put out a great effort.

[dutchman55555]

Just received a personalized impersonal e-mail from Matrix saying that since I enjoyed Harpoon, I've gotta buy Command.

Went to the site, still $90.

Nope.

[ekcut]

I'm sorry to say I did the same thing. I've been a Harpoon fan since the original came out.

I had no idea this game existed. After reading the write up on the email I just got, I came here credit card in hand only to have the wind let out of my sails by the price.

I'm a casual strategy gamer. I don't always have the time to learn games with a steep learning curve like this one appears to have. The price is a big risk for part timers like me.

Too bad. It looks amazing! I understand it's a business and prices are set to find the perfect balance, but had it been $50 I'd be playing right now rather then complaining about it.

[dontsayit2]

ORIGINAL: Mad Russian

ORIGINAL: gradenko_2000


Hearts of Iron 3 is a deep and complex strategy that does cover the Eastern Front, and is Paradox's best-selling game, but that's just an anomaly, I guess.

Hearts of Iron 3 is a game so overpriced that it's unbelievable. I bought Hearts of Iron 1 and it was a piece of junk. They took all our complaints and put them into Hearts of Iron 2 which was better but still no good. Finally they got to Hearts of Iron 3. If you paid to be a Beta Tester for Paradox along that journey that game is tremendously overpriced.

Good Hunting.

MR

Not sure how you came to that conclusion, but HOI2 is one of the most popular rts WW2 games ever. There are over 15 different iterations of that game engine, including AOD and Iron Cross.

Did you even play it?

[aaatoysandmore]

you must remember taking the wife and family out to dinner is a "necessity" or she will kill you and buying games is a nicety....she will still kill you if she finds out. Of all things games cannot be associated with 1 night of family entertainment because that is priceless...it's a memory you will have and they emptying of your billfold you will have forever. [:D]

[Alchenar]

Not that I approve of necroposting (especially this thread), but HOI4 was announced last week and the early previews make it sound like they've identified and fixed everything that was wrong with HOI3.

[Riso]

Clearly I am crazy, because I think you shouldn't sell your games for more than the price of so called AAA games like Call of Duty.

[aaatoysandmore]

There should be a $10 games section and a $5 game section too and all games 10 years or older should be $5 and new releases after 2 years should be $10 [:D]

[IainMcNeil]

Everyone has had their say and it keeps going round in circles. There is nothing new here so I'm going to close it down as its not adding anything to the forum and these threads tend to degenerate in to personal attacks at some point.