TM, RA, and BTS Re-Write

[John 3rd]

How the heck did this happen? We haevn't messed with Allied ground unit very much...

Not that I want to know...are there more issues with the Allies?

[John 3rd]

Am avoiding doing a turn (and getting depressed) and loaded the most recent variant of the Mods. While looking at the reinforcements, I saw that--for some unknown reason--we have left the I-400s SS in the building cue.

That's STUPID! Will get rid of them. How many medium SS can be built for a monstrous I-400? Opinions...

[Kitakami]

ORIGINAL: John 3rd

How the heck did this happen? We haevn't messed with Allied ground unit very much...

Not that I want to know...are there more issues with the Allies?

I checked all my current Aus units, and see none. Truth, I have not checked the Allies as carefully as I did the Japanese, but if I find more, I will post them here.

[Kitakami]

ORIGINAL: John 3rd
Am avoiding doing a turn (and getting depressed) and loaded the most recent variant of the Mods. While looking at the reinforcements, I saw that--for some unknown reason--we have left the I-400s SS in the building cue.

That's STUPID! Will get rid of them. How many medium SS can be built for a monstrous I-400? Opinions...

I would only remove them in the Lite version. If the Yamatos are built, why not the I-400s?

[John 3rd]

ORIGINAL: Kitakami

ORIGINAL: John 3rd
Am avoiding doing a turn (and getting depressed) and loaded the most recent variant of the Mods. While looking at the reinforcements, I saw that--for some unknown reason--we have left the I-400s SS in the building cue.

That's STUPID! Will get rid of them. How many medium SS can be built for a monstrous I-400? Opinions...

I would only remove them in the Lite version. If the Yamatos are built, why not the I-400s?

You know...there is some SERIOUS logic in that statement. You're damned handy to have around Sir!

[John 3rd]

I think the I-400 thinking really occurred due to my picking up a copy of Carpenter and Polmar's Submarines of the Imperial Japanese Navy. Very nice addition to the Resource Library.

Stanislav and I never truly went thru the Japanese SS except for his creation of the KD8-Class.

We've now played around with the beginning of the SS. We've added more of the large, experimental SS thru the Treaty. Anyone used those new Float Plane carrying American SS?

Since I've moved so far into RA (albeit MUCH older version) with Dan, I notice things. LOTS of SS Transports that are basically useless. The I-400s are another. Might be getting an idea here.

Would love to sound it out with my current co-creator IN PERSON but will have to sound Michael out on some thinking thru here and email.

For players experienced with the Mods, do you have any ideas regarding 3rd Circle forward SS construction?

[offenseman]

Question about the CA Takao. Tower armor is listed as 16. Is that correct?

[John 3rd]

Nope. Which Mod and Version?

[offenseman]

ORIGINAL: John 3rd

Nope. Which Mod and Version?

BTS 4.7 Have to port my Takaos until that gets fixed.

[offenseman]

Will changing the db for correct tower armor apply to ships already on map? All my Takaos are already built. I'd sure hate to try to live with them having only 16 tower armor.

[John 3rd]

On the case. Give me a few minutes to pull up the Mod.

[John 3rd]

ORIGINAL: offenseman

ORIGINAL: John 3rd

Nope. Which Mod and Version?

BTS 4.7 Have to port my Takaos until that gets fixed.

That number is correct. Jentschura lists the Takao class having Belt: 3-4", Deck 2", Turrets 6", and Barbettes 3" No tower listed.

Atago has slightly thicker Belt.

That is reality unless someone has something else.

[offenseman]

Amazing. Even some of the old CLs have 50mm. Thanks for checking.

[John 3rd]

Had to check. Was pretty sure of the answer but also wanted to make sure I was not wrong.

[John 3rd]

OK. I re-tooled the SS Force in Between the Storms Lite.

Exact changes are deleting 15 of the Transport SS and total deletion of the I-400 Class. Replacing them are nine additional KD8 boats that come in during 1944-5. While not major changes, it follows the precedence of what BTSL is all about so it now is congruent with other decisions made in the Mod.

Will publish this as BTSL 5.0.

This is not a major change for any games already going. Wish I'd thought of it earlier but c'est la vie.

[ny59giants]

FYI - You can upgrade to the latest version of the mod and have any changes to your ships take effect when they have their next upgrades. Long ago when they first changed the number of slots a sub had for torpedo tubes took effect when you upgraded your subs. I've always remembered this since then.

[Kitakami]

ORIGINAL: John 3rd
OK. I re-tooled the SS Force in Between the Storms Lite.

Exact changes are deleting 15 of the Transport SS and total deletion of the I-400 Class. Replacing them are nine additional KD8 boats that come in during 1944-5. While not major changes, it follows the precedence of what BTSL is all about so it now is congruent with other decisions made in the Mod.

Will publish this as BTSL 5.0.

This is not a major change for any games already going. Wish I'd thought of it earlier but c'est la vie.

I like the changes.

One thing some players do not see, and I am finding out by playing the Allied side, is that this mod is NOT just adding toys to the Japanese side. True, Japan gets many new toys to play with, but the Allies get:

- 10 to 7 advantage in added naval tonnage BOTH to the USN and RN in the treaties. That means more than I thought it would.

- Slightly increased Chinese replacements. I am seeing the difference in my current game.

- Better state of readiness both in the Central Pacific and Alaska. The Central Pacific does not do much, but the difference in Alaska IS important.

- USN ships shifted to the Philippines. It may not look like much on paper, but ask any JFB what CL Boise or CA Houston can do if not checked. Well... add CA Chicago to the mix.

- A second BC to sail with HMS PoW. Yes, those BCs are fragile, but she is nothing to sneeze at.

If you add all that, plus a few changes on how to play the game as the Allies, you will find this a very enjoyable Mod. One that is definitely not a JFB fantasy. In fact, it may be just the opposite. Ask my esteemed opponent.

Just my 2 cents, as usual

[John 3rd]

Thanks. REALLY appreciate the insight!

[Falken]

Hey John,

Was going to run another turn tonight? should I wait, or will 5.0 take an additional few days? No rush, just need to know if I should wait or just keep going w/ 4.7.....

Thanks..

[John 3rd]

Run your turn. Am thinking on some things before I Post 5.0.