Once Again into the Breach - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A)

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The Allies get (if memory serves me right) 40 P-40E/mo, 16 Hurricane/mo, and soon about 40 to 45 F4F-4 Wildcats. The 'c' model Hurricane get 32/mo. I may be off in my numbers, but I'm close. By mid-42 the American Army fighter pilot pool is large (over 500) from all that go in from mandatory withdrawal and training. However, they cannot afford to get into too many lopsided A2A battles and lose 1/2 a month worth of planes. In my limited time playing Japan, I've learned that you need to aggressively seek out the Allied air force in combat. At least in '42 (I'm in May '43).


don't forget the P-39D (as good or better than the P-40E) and the P-400, better than both. Together with the reinforcements (downgrade/upgrade anyone? [:D]) you can build up a force of several hundred Allied frontline fighters by March/April 42 as I have done in my last PBEM. All these fighters were piloted by 70 skilled pilots and they chopped the Japanese to pieces as I've massed them instead of spreading them out on the whole map. If the Allied isn't willing to have his airframes dying bits and pieces and choses the place worth fighting then this can lead to quite significant IJ losses too.

If the IJ player isn't drastically ramping up his fighter production then the Allied aren't far away from total IJ numbers (of course every IJ player usually ramps up production to a great margin) and then much depends on the kill ratios. 1:1 sure favours the IJ but 1:2 or 1:3 for the IJ over an enemy base usually favours the Allied in both airframes and pilots.
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I agree that Japan can have some problems in the March/April time frame when you have to rely mainly on your Zero to carry the load until you can get the Tojo producing. One of the things I learned is to prioritize the R&D efforts on the Tojo to get them asap. The Oscar is useful only as escort, IMO. They get eaten by the Allied fighters by this time.

Each side needs to use mass of fighters over a particular base to gain control. I use my largest Zero groups on sweep missions. As Allies, you can hold your own "IF" you use large numbers on CAP mission. Just a 16 (British) or 25 (American) air group is not enough over a base.
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Michael, one Allied cheat sheet I do have shows Allied aircraft replacements by nationality and plane type. You're right, The US gets 35 P-40Es and 25 P-39Ds from the start. Starting in Mar 42, they get 45 F4F-4s a month. The Brits don't get a lot, 16 Hurri IIB Trops (unless that changed). I'm working on overwhelming Pt. Moresby. You'll get the details in the next replay. Ted has no air force at all in Burma and only a handful of planes in Chungking. Only in Java are planes visible. I'm going after them soon too.
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23 Jan 42

Sub War

The I-158 found the Dutch CM Prins van Oranje and put her down just off Denpasar (south of Java). A TK convoy was spotted in the next hex, so that sub is going after that TF next.

The I 21 took a DC hit off Hawaii. She took light damage and will head to the barn for repairs.

5 Fleet

The engineers finally landed. Airfield construction should increase appreciably now.

4 Fleet

Nothing new to report.

SE Fleet

Troops and engineers landed at Gasmata and will take it tomorrow. An IJNAF AF Unit will land there in a day or so. There is currently a level 1 airfield there. Once it's up to level 2, I'll station a Zero daitai there to begin sweeping Pt. Moresby.

Lae's is almost to level 2. There are 3x Zero chutai there and they will begin sweeps of Pt. Moresby once level 2 is reached. Hopefully, these 54 Zeros should tear apart the P-40E squadron stationed there in short order.

Still no luck damaging any of the enemy subs around Rabaul. Soryu is still there in port.

SRA

Bandjermasin fell to a DA today. Losses were 28(0) to 196(17) Allied casualties. AS is on the way so I can station some fighters there for the Java campaign.

Still no luck attacking the TFs in Soerabaja. I now have 1 Nell daitai & chutati at Makassar and a Betty daitai at Balikpapan on Naval attack with 20% naval search with narrow arcs covering Soerabaja. Eventually.....

I'd send the 4 BBs in but Soerabaja is mined. If those ships come out of port, there's a very good chance they'll run over one of my subs.

Malaya

The second wave arrived without incident. I'll bombard with the six artillery units for a couple of days and then try an assault with the six divisions.

Burma

Spreading like the plague. [:D]
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24 Jan 42

Sub War

The I-23 found an xAP a few hexes east of Hawaii and put 2 torpedoes into her. No report of her sinking but she has to be hurting. Best part was she was carrying troops. [:D]

5 Fleet

Nothing new to report but the engineers are hard at work.

4 Fleet

Nothing new to report.

SE Fleet

I took Gasmata. Construction on the level 2 airfield is commencing immediately. The AS will land tomorrow.

A few of the damn Do-24s sank a small xAK there, but fortunately she was done unloading.

The Aussie company that began the war a Kavieng has been chased to the base at the southern end of the island and finally destroyed today. The remaining 25 guys were finally killed off.

A sweep of Pt. Moresby by 24 Zeros was met by 7 P-40Es. Two were shot down with no loss to the Zeros. A couple were lost to op losses but no pilots were lost. I'll try again tomorrow.

Philippines

Nothing new to report.

China

Nothing new to report.

Malaya

The first bombardment of Singapore happened today. I'll try one more tomorrow then the 6x infantry divisions will try a DA the next day.

Burma

Nothing new to report.

Java

The Nells at Makassar didn't go after the convoys but did a port attack (secondary mission). For no loss, they destroyed 2 AMcs and damaged an AG (1x 60 kg bomb [8|]) and a CM (2x 60 kg bombs). They caught the De Ruyter and pumped her full of holes (5x 250 and 9x 60 kg bombs). She's not showing up as lost but she's definitely hurting. Unfortunately, Soerabaja is a nice port so it'll be able to work on repairing her damage. I'll try another port attack tomorrow. Maybe I can finish her off.

Other Stuff

Ted is out of town until Sunday without his laptop so I have some time to do a lot of the little things I've been neglecting. I did some calculations on Java. I'm going to ship all the resources from Kolaka, Makassar, Bandjermasin, Pontianak, Billiton and Tobali to Java. I'm also going to increase the refineries to 225 (equal to the oil facilities) so all I have to worry about there is fuel. With the added resources, assuming all the LI survives, I can increase the HI factories to a total of 285. Yeah, that'll cost me 225k supply (+25k supply for the refineries) but I'm doing pretty well now in supply so I'm not concerned.

I'm also going to double Georgetown's HI to 20. I'd really like to get my total HI to 7500 when it's all said and done. We'll see if I can achieve that goal.

I've also been trying to figure out what to do with the merchant shipping, the best way to use it. I'll post that later.

I did a count and discovered that I have 220 PBs. [X(]
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I did a count and discovered that I have 220 PBs. [X(]
Wow. I guess you are agressive in your conversion. [&o][&o][&o]
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I did a count and discovered that I have 220 PBs. [X(]

You'll need them, they are torpedo magnets!
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Yep. In my game the PBs best escorting work has been to suck up torpedoes, thus preserving higher value TKs and troopships. [:D]
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Yep. In my game the PBs best escorting work has been to suck up torpedoes, thus preserving higher value TKs and troopships. [:D]


+1....Lord knows they cant hit anything underwater, they can at least run into a torp. Question, Does anyone else use the light xxAKLs as lone cargo transports? I have had some good success getting subs to surface and knocking them around. I loose many of the xxAKLs, but they carry little supply any way.
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All of my To'sus and Kisos have been converted. Only 3 more Ansyu-Cs and they're all done too.
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Japanese AAR continues to cause much head scratching in the Allied camp as details left to the CPU are manipulated by the Emperor's number one.

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ps I wish you were operating in the same date range as we, as you offer more intel than signet on possible GEACPS advances and capabilites. With so much fore sight involved in here, it's hard not to root for the Empire.
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zulu, [:-] [:D]

I'm convinced that the Japanese player has to dig deeply into the details in order to survive. I'm also a logistician by trade so I like all the numbers. I've taken many more chances logistically and strategically this game than ever before. My supply levels are increasing now, so I'm relatively confident that I won't implode the economy. It is rather scary when the supply levels continue to plummet.

Back to the game.....

I converted the Soryu's fighter daitai to a training outfit and am keeping it at Truk. I should have done that a week ago but kept waffling.

Still pondering her DB and TB daitai. I probably won't convert them.

My R&D is costing me about 3-4k supply a turn. Not enough to worry about. I converted another factory to a 30 plane N1K1-J, the third of that type.

My factory expansion is winding down a lot now. Here's what's going on right now:

Hong Kong HI - 75(25)
Tarakan Refinery - 86(4)
Miri Oil - 186(114)
Tarakan Oil - 86(4)
Nagoya Ha-32 - 98(2)
Tokyo Ha-32 - 98(2)
Nagoya Ha-33 - 88(22)
Utsonomiya Ha-33 - 48(27)
Maebashi Ha-34 - 33(47) - will be expanded more later
Tokyo Ha-35 - 229(1)
Tokyo Ha-35 - 49(1)
Yokohama Ha-35 - 48(2)
Saigon Repair Yard - 20(30)

In 4 days, expansion will drop from 13 to 7 factories. I'm pretty sure I'm out of the woods as far as supply concerns.
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In 4 days, expansion will drop from 13 to 7 factories. I'm pretty sure I'm out of the woods as far as supply concerns.
Wow. Less than two months. Amazing.

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In 4 days, expansion will drop from 13 to 7 factories. I'm pretty sure I'm out of the woods as far as supply concerns.

Mike, just a quick question on your industry expansion. Did you expand your aircraft R&D factories all at once at the beginning or incrementally?

I ask because I thought I read somewhere on these forums that larger aircraft R&D factories are more likely to repair each turn than smaller ones. If this is true, then it seems like it would be smarter to expand them all the way to max size (30) right from the start. This would put a bit of a strain on the supply situation, but if it allows them to repair faster, it may be worth it.
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Hi Icedawg. Welcome to where the crazy Japanese economic nuts tend to congregate.

I didn't touch R&D at all until January 42. In retrospect, I should have started some of the early factories (A6M3 and the Helen come to mind) in December but I was concerned about supply. I just let the R&D factories go as they started until I decided to work on speeding up certain airframes. I convert factories then increase their size to 30. Here's what I have so far:

A6M2-N - 3x30. I'll let one become operational and convert the rest to A6M5.

A6M3 - 5x30 and 1x60. The size 60 was an error and done before I was thoroughly familiar with R&D. I'll convert all to the A6M3a as they complete repairs. That's the airframe I really want. I don't think it's worth building the A6M3.

Ki-49-Ia - 3x30. I'll convert all to the next model of Helen as they complete repairs, which is the model I want.

Ki-44-IIa - 3x30. I'll let them all become operational.

N1K1-J - 3x30.

Ki-84a - 3x30.

B7A2 - 1x30.

D4Y1 - 1x30.

Only 3-4 factories actually increase each turn so the supply cost isn't extreme. Every few days I convert another R&D factory and increase it to 30.
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Hi Icedawg. Welcome to where the crazy Japanese economic nuts tend to congregate.

I didn't touch R&D at all until January 42. In retrospect, I should have started some of the early factories (A6M3 and the Helen come to mind) in December but I was concerned about supply. I just let the R&D factories go as they started until I decided to work on speeding up certain airframes. I convert factories then increase their size to 30. Here's what I have so far:

A6M2-N - 3x30. I'll let one become operational and convert the rest to A6M5.

A6M3 - 5x30 and 1x60. The size 60 was an error and done before I was thoroughly familiar with R&D. I'll convert all to the A6M3a as they complete repairs. That's the airframe I really want. I don't think it's worth building the A6M3.

Ki-49-Ia - 3x30. I'll convert all to the next model of Helen as they complete repairs, which is the model I want.

Ki-44-IIa - 3x30. I'll let them all become operational.

N1K1-J - 3x30.

Ki-84a - 3x30.

B7A2 - 1x30.

D4Y1 - 1x30.

Only 3-4 factories actually increase each turn so the supply cost isn't extreme. Every few days I convert another R&D factory and increase it to 30.

I wouldn't call you guys crazy. More like "gods of logistics"!

I am thinking of more or less the same plane types, but lots more factories.

A6M series - 8 x 30
A7M2 - 3 x 30
N1K1-J - 8 x 30
J7W1 - 3 x 30
J8M1 - 3 x 30
Ki-44 series - 8 x 30
Ki-84 series - 8 x 30
Ki-202 - 3 x 30
D4Y series - 6 x 30
B7A2 - 8 x 30
B6N2 - 8 x 30
P1Y series - 6 x 30

Is this too much to devote to R&D? I'm assuming it is. Otherwise you probably would have been more aggressive than you were.
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You have 9 factories working on the Zero series. That comes down to 300 planes per month (especially when you get to the M5 model). [X(] [X(] I would use the size 60 and a 30 to be just R&D factories and continue to move forward to the next plane in the series. Expand three factories to size 60 (180/mo) or four to size 45 (180/mo). Thus, IMO you have three factories too many here.

Meanwhile, you have just 3 factories working each on the Tojo (90 planes per month), George and Frank. IMO, I want to be able to move two factories forward for each. Again, like the Zero, I want one to be size 60.

Not knowing what models you will not use (I am skipping the Tony), I would look at converting the Lily and Sally once the Helen comes out.

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Disregard

Didn't read carefully enough.
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Looking at the "At Start" airframes, I see 9 factories that can be converted in the first 6 months of the war. The question will then be to what?!?


Scenario 1 – Airframe Production
Type......Name....Date....Convert To
A6M2......Zero....41/12...
B5N1......Kate....41/12...
D3A1......Val.....41/12...
E13A1.....Jake....41/12...
E14Y1.....Glen....41/12...
F1M2......Pete....41/12...YES
G3M2......Nell....41/12...
G4M1......Betty...41/12...
H6K4......Mavis...41/12...YES (once Emily producing)
Ki-21-IIa.Sally...41/12...YES (once Helen producing)
Ki-27b....Nate....41/12...YES (once sufficient Oscar)
Ki-27b....Nate....41/12...YES (once sufficient Oscar)
Ki-36.....Ida.....41/12...YES
Ki-46-II..Dinah...41/12...
Ki-48-Ib..Lily....41/12...YES (once Helen producing)
Ki-51.....Sonia...41/12...YES
Ki-56.....Thalia..41/12...YES
Ki-57-I...Topsy...41/12...
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You have 9 factories working on the Zero series. That comes down to 300 planes per month (especially when you get to the M5 model). ...
Not too unusual for me. Once getting to A6M5 model, then let 100 or so produce with the balance continuing to R&D up to the A6M8 model. The A6 series is nice to R&D as it upgrades so far, right?
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Ki-44-IIa - 3x30. I'll let them all become operational.

N1K1-J - 3x30.

Ki-84a - 3x30.

B7A2 - 1x30.
Pretty much what I do as well. Nice to see my numbers validated. [;)]

First Tojo is good and follow on ones don't improve that much, so no real need to follow through. Same with George. The "b" model Frank is really the best, but it is a separate R&D line from the "a" model and comes so much later that I also tend to R&D the "a". I love the Grace, but it comes so late and the R&D factories for me take for ever to repair. Very hard to spend a lot of R&D on it as who knows how many CV's I'll have when it finally arrives.

One thing, I do R&D the Oscar. That last Oscar, the IV? model is a reasonable plane and a GREAT kami. As it is in the R&D line, it is easy to accelerate. I need Oscars and they are the only IJA plane which can escort Helen to range and in escort role they do as well as any other (sacrificial lamb). Tojo and Frank have short legs.
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