Nomonhan Redux: Seydlitz (Japan) vs. MBatch729 (Allies)

seydlitz_slith · Post by **seydlitz_slith** » Sat Nov 07, 2009 11:50 am

East of Shilka, I attacked again at 1 to 1 but was unable to dislodge the defenders. I am now going to retreat south to try and link up with my units east of Borzya before my stack gets totally isolated and destroyed.

I have also noticed another incursion on my eastern front with what appears to be two or more units entering the swamp area. I will do nothing about this for the time being, hoping to resolve the Voroshilov battle in time to deal with this other threat.

Meanwhile, at Voroshilov, the artillery duel continued:

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Ground combat at Voroshilov (112,45)

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 8302 troops, 410 guns, 522 vehicles, Assault Value = 2375

Defending force 76945 troops, 1548 guns, 877 vehicles, Assault Value = 2118

Japanese ground losses:
Guns lost 2 (0 destroyed, 2 disabled)
Vehicles lost 29 (18 destroyed, 11 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
1809 casualties reported
Squads: 18 destroyed, 41 disabled
Non Combat: 126 destroyed, 71 disabled
Engineers: 5 destroyed, 8 disabled
Guns lost 68 (38 destroyed, 30 disabled)
Vehicles lost 100 (79 destroyed, 21 disabled)
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Ground combat at Voroshilov (112,45)

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 67414 troops, 1416 guns, 796 vehicles, Assault Value = 2039

Defending force 106258 troops, 1087 guns, 1159 vehicles, Assault Value = 2375

Japanese ground losses:
426 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Non Combat: 49 destroyed, 51 disabled
Engineers: 14 destroyed, 3 disabled
Guns lost 34 (4 destroyed, 30 disabled)
Vehicles lost 113 (57 destroyed, 56 disabled)

Again, the vehicle casualties are almost exclusively transport vehicles and not tanks. However, my vehicle pool is down to a surplus of 9 points and is burning through points as fast as I can produce them. I would assume that the situation is even worse on his side.

In other news, I landed at Singkawang in Borneo and will be fighting there next turn. I also landed at Tacloban on Leyte and will be fighting an even odds battle there for a few turns. I captured Iba, eliminating the last allied unit on Luzon, and I captured Malabalay on Mindano, forcing the last allied units there into the mountain hex NW of Davao.

ComradeP · Post by **ComradeP** » Sat Nov 07, 2009 2:35 pm

Are you going to wait until all of your reinforcements arrive before attacking Voroshilov?

After capturing Voroshilov, how long would it take to turn enough forcea around to remove the recently arrived/the arriving Soviets from your flanks, should you intend to do so?

Do you feel like you're "on track" compared to where you envisioned you would be at this stage when you started playing?

offenseman · Post by **offenseman** » Sat Nov 07, 2009 3:23 pm

seydlitz, I have a more conventional game vs the AI going that is at about 2/8/42.  How many days of resources do you have available to you at this point? I am looking to draw a parallel on usage with what your game is doing vs a more conventional usage might be.

Jim D Burns · Post by **Jim D Burns** » Sat Nov 07, 2009 3:25 pm

ORIGINAL: seydlitz
Yet again, I have failed to totally destroy the 111th region fortress in hex 113,43. It is holding up the advance of my large force. My opponnent sent some armored units into the hex, pushing the odds down to 4 to 1 but I defeat them and yet again all units retreat except for the fortress unit. I am glad that the Chinese do not have any of these fortress units.

I think the problem is the fact the unit is not in a city hex. That means the units individual fort level is what is used to determine surrender/retreat rolls for the individual units in a hex. So until you achieved an attack of 11-1 (assuming it has a personal fort level of 9) no surrender roll can even be made, and static units can’t retreat, so only surrender rolls matter to these units.

From what I’ve read to this point in the AAR, only one reported attack has been over 11-1 so far and that very well could have just been a lucky surrender die roll that allowed it to survive. If those kinds of massive odds continue to fail to dislodge the unit I’d think it was a bug, but so far it may have just been a single very lucky die roll.

Individual fort levels are far harder to remove than city fort levels, so it is possible it still has a fort level of 9 if that’s what it started with.

Jim

seydlitz_slith · Post by **seydlitz_slith** » Sat Nov 07, 2009 9:04 pm

ORIGINAL: ComradeP

Are you going to wait until all of your reinforcements arrive before attacking Voroshilov?

After capturing Voroshilov, how long would it take to turn enough forcea around to remove the recently arrived/the arriving Soviets from your flanks, should you intend to do so?

Do you feel like you're "on track" compared to where you envisioned you would be at this stage when you started playing?

I haven't decided. If I can get all of the disruption cleared from my infantry units I will most likely attack. Otherwise I will wait on the Southern Army forces to land and potentially march to Vladivostok so that the Voroshilov units just die instead of retreating to Vladivostok.

If I need to move the units I can do so relatively quickly via rail.

I feel that I am now behind in the Russian campaign and slightly behind in the SRA.

seydlitz_slith · Post by **seydlitz_slith** » Sat Nov 07, 2009 9:06 pm

ORIGINAL: offenseman

seydlitz, I have a more conventional game vs the AI going that is at about 2/8/42. How many days of resources do you have available to you at this point? I am looking to draw a parallel on usage with what your game is doing vs a more conventional usage might be.

As of end of turn 2/7/42 I had 5,976,428 resource points. I am producing 289,580 per turn and using 286,270 for a net gain of 3,310 per turn.

Hope this helps.

seydlitz_slith · Post by **seydlitz_slith** » Sat Nov 07, 2009 10:42 pm

Turn 64 8 Feb 1942

The weather was rotten, but all of the KB strikes flew as did all Nell/Betty strikes out of Japan. About half of the Korea based strikes flew, and the rest cancelled due to weather.

The KB is steaming quite literally in a sea of subs. I worry about this but I have taken precautions to screen the capital ships. The war must go on. In fact, one of my ASW units prosecuted and claims to have sunk a sub in the KB's hex during the night hours.

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ASW attack near Nakhodka at 113,49

Japanese Ships
CS Chiyoda
DD Tanikaze
DD Shikinami
DD Hibiki

Allied Ships
SS ShCh-122, hits 2

ShCh-122 diving deep .......
DD Shikinami attacking submerged sub .......
DD Hibiki fails to find sub, continues to search......
DD Shikinami fails to find sub, continues to search......
DD Hibiki attacking submerged sub .......
DD Shikinami fails to find sub and abandons search...
DD Hibiki attacking submerged sub .......
DD Hibiki fails to find sub, continues to search......
DD Hibiki fails to find sub, continues to search......
Escort abandons search for sub...

seydlitz_slith · Post by **seydlitz_slith** » Sat Nov 07, 2009 10:44 pm

His land unit movements are worrying but not much that I can do immediately.

Same issue up north.

seydlitz_slith · Post by **seydlitz_slith** » Sat Nov 07, 2009 10:46 pm

I am continuing to chew up his aircraft on the ground and in the air if encountered. I am concerned that I lost 8 Vals because I have only 5 in the replacement pool and can build only 12 per month.

seydlitz_slith · Post by **seydlitz_slith** » Sat Nov 07, 2009 10:48 pm

Here is the Voroshilov summary for the turn.

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Ground combat at Voroshilov (112,45)

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 7343 troops, 418 guns, 477 vehicles, Assault Value = 2402

Defending force 76235 troops, 1544 guns, 855 vehicles, Assault Value = 2098

Japanese ground losses:
Guns lost 3 (0 destroyed, 3 disabled)
Vehicles lost 17 (3 destroyed, 14 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
2252 casualties reported
Squads: 24 destroyed, 42 disabled
Non Combat: 94 destroyed, 86 disabled
Engineers: 5 destroyed, 9 disabled
Guns lost 43 (23 destroyed, 20 disabled)
Vehicles lost 71 (32 destroyed, 39 disabled)

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Ground combat at Voroshilov (112,45)

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 66541 troops, 1425 guns, 781 vehicles, Assault Value = 2011

Defending force 105922 troops, 1095 guns, 1127 vehicles, Assault Value = 2402

Japanese ground losses:
518 casualties reported
Squads: 2 destroyed, 7 disabled
Non Combat: 60 destroyed, 71 disabled
Engineers: 5 destroyed, 9 disabled
Guns lost 38 (22 destroyed, 16 disabled)
Vehicles lost 100 (42 destroyed, 58 disabled)

seydlitz_slith · Post by **seydlitz_slith** » Sat Nov 07, 2009 10:49 pm

Finally, news from the south...Japanese forces captured Singkawang on the NW tip of Borneo.

TOMLABEL · Post by **TOMLABEL** » Sun Nov 08, 2009 3:34 pm

I can't remember if someone asked about the spares, but here is an example. They're good to differentiate nationalities and include matching map icons too.

OK - back to this fabulous AAR!![&o]

Rob Brennan UK · Post by **Rob Brennan UK** » Sun Nov 08, 2009 5:06 pm

Looks like his supplies are running low in Voroshilov. Im basing this on the relative number of gun tubes and losses. Tubes are roughly similar in number and i would imagine in calible too (soviet arty is good). Losses however are 4-1 in your favour. This may of course be an artifact of you good choice to use rest mode and rotate units.

RE waiting until Vladivostok is under siege. I think your assuming he cant retreat from one contested hex into another as in old WitP. However he can in AE as its hexsides that now matter. So bearing that in mind, clobber Voroshilov when you think you can rather than waiting for the landing force. and more soviet troops eating up supply in vlad and being heavily disabled too boot won't improve his AV much while consuming limited supply.

His eastward drive from Bikin is as you have identified, a major worry. you really need to reduce the soviets in the south asap.

Facinating AAR .. thank you [&o]

Jim D Burns · Post by **Jim D Burns** » Sun Nov 08, 2009 5:20 pm

ORIGINAL: Rob Brennan UK
However he can in AE as its hexsides that now matter.

After seeing what happened to the units in Manila, I'm not sure this aspect of the game is WAD. Otherwise the Manila units should have retreated to Clark, but they surrendered instead.

Jim

seydlitz_slith · Post by **seydlitz_slith** » Mon Nov 09, 2009 12:34 am

Turn 65 9 Feb 1942

First the bad news during the turn....
The soviets captured the swamp town of Fuchin on the eastern border. I knew it was coming, but I still didn't like it.

Now the good news....
I captured Suchin, taking yet another of his satellite airfields away from him around Vladivostok.

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Ground combat at Suchan (113,46)

Japanese Shock attack

Attacking force 30241 troops, 275 guns, 66 vehicles, Assault Value = 832

Defending force 4487 troops, 50 guns, 236 vehicles, Assault Value = 134

Japanese engineers reduce fortifications to 0

Japanese adjusted assault: 1084

Allied adjusted defense: 67

Japanese assault odds: 16 to 1 (fort level 0)

Japanese forces CAPTURE Suchan !!!

Allied aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft losses
No Allied losses

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), disruption(-), preparation(-), experience(-)
Attacker: shock(+)

Japanese ground losses:
242 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 10 disabled
Non Combat: 4 destroyed, 7 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Guns lost 1 (0 destroyed, 1 disabled)
Vehicles lost 2 (0 destroyed, 2 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
838 casualties reported
Squads: 13 destroyed, 23 disabled
Non Combat: 124 destroyed, 59 disabled
Engineers: 14 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 35 (28 destroyed, 7 disabled)
Vehicles lost 225 (195 destroyed, 30 disabled)
Units retreated 2
Assaulting units:...
57th Division...
24th Division...
4th Medium Field Artillery Regiment...
...
Defending units:...
1st Ussurii Tank Brigade...
34th VVS Base Force...

seydlitz_slith · Post by **seydlitz_slith** » Mon Nov 09, 2009 12:37 am

The weather was bad again and none of the strikes against Voroshilov flew. However, the KB strikes on Vladivostok, Nakhoda, and Suchan all flew and we again reaped a harvest of submarines in port.

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Morning Air attack on Nakhodka , at 112,47

Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid spotted at 44 NM, estimated altitude 15,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 16 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 23
B5N2 Kate x 43
D3A1 Val x 23

Japanese aircraft losses
B5N2 Kate: 2 damaged
D3A1 Val: 6 damaged

Allied Ships
SS ShCh-115, Bomb hits 3, and is sunk
SS L-9, Bomb hits 1, and is sunk
SS ShCh-123, Bomb hits 3, and is sunk
SS ShCh-116, Bomb hits 2, and is sunk

Port hits 5
Port fuel hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:
10 x D3A1 Val diving from 10000'
Port Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
25 x B5N2 Kate bombing from 11000 feet
Port Attack: 2 x 250 kg SAP Bomb
13 x D3A1 Val diving from 10000'
Port Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
18 x B5N2 Kate bombing from 11000 feet
Port Attack: 2 x 250 kg SAP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on Suchan , at 113,46

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid detected at 40 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 15 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 13
B5N2 Kate x 27
D3A1 Val x 18

Allied aircraft
no flights

Japanese aircraft losses
B5N2 Kate: 1 damaged
D3A1 Val: 6 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
SB-2: 2 destroyed on ground

Airbase hits 6
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 11

Aircraft Attacking:
18 x D3A1 Val diving from 10000'
Airfield Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
27 x B5N2 Kate bombing from 11000 feet
Airfield Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on Vladivostok , at 112,46

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 30 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 24
B5N2 Kate x 49
D3A1 Val x 30

Japanese aircraft losses
B5N2 Kate: 8 damaged
D3A1 Val: 8 damaged

Allied Ships
DD Ryanyi, Bomb hits 1, on fire, heavy damage

Allied ground losses:
9 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 0 disabled

Port hits 2
Port supply hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:
5 x D3A1 Val diving from 10000'
City Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
13 x B5N2 Kate bombing from 11000 feet
City Attack: 1 x 800 kg AP Bomb
18 x D3A1 Val diving from 10000'
Port Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
14 x B5N2 Kate bombing from 11000 feet
City Attack: 1 x 800 kg AP Bomb
7 x D3A1 Val diving from 10000'
Port Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
13 x B5N2 Kate bombing from 11000 feet
Port Attack: 1 x 800 kg AP Bomb
9 x B5N2 Kate bombing from 11000 feet
Port Attack: 1 x 800 kg AP Bomb

seydlitz_slith · Post by **seydlitz_slith** » Mon Nov 09, 2009 12:39 am

Pretty sure that I sunk these subs. Nakhoda no longer has an anchor symbol so I guess that I sank everything there. Vladivostok now lists only 4 DDs in port.

seydlitz_slith · Post by **seydlitz_slith** » Mon Nov 09, 2009 12:43 am

Every time I take an airfield it seems like I destroy more aircraft. I am also killing planes on the ground with my bombing. I asked my opponent if his air operations had slowed due to pilot or airframe shortage. He told me that it was due to a lack of replacement aircraft. He says that he has exhausted all soviet aircraft replacements in the pool until 1943. Not sure how this could be since I do not play allied, but that is what he said.

seydlitz_slith · Post by **seydlitz_slith** » Mon Nov 09, 2009 12:47 am

Here are the combat results for the artillery duel at Voroshilov for the turn. I am going to gamble that he is low on supplies. All units are shifting from reserve to shock attack here next turn. If he is out of supply or has everyone in reserve then I have a chance of breaking through. Otherwise I will lose and go back to bombarding him with aircraft and guns.

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Ground combat at Voroshilov (112,45)

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 6443 troops, 407 guns, 439 vehicles, Assault Value = 2398

Defending force 74045 troops, 1531 guns, 806 vehicles, Assault Value = 2030

Japanese ground losses:
79 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 48 destroyed, 3 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 17 (6 destroyed, 11 disabled)
Vehicles lost 53 (52 destroyed, 1 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
1899 casualties reported
Squads: 20 destroyed, 39 disabled
Non Combat: 72 destroyed, 63 disabled
Engineers: 12 destroyed, 12 disabled
Guns lost 39 (19 destroyed, 20 disabled)
Vehicles lost 94 (76 destroyed, 18 disabled)

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Ground combat at Voroshilov (112,45)

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 65039 troops, 1411 guns, 735 vehicles, Assault Value = 1945

Defending force 104422 troops, 1065 guns, 1040 vehicles, Assault Value = 2398

Japanese ground losses:
565 casualties reported
Squads: 4 destroyed, 5 disabled
Non Combat: 92 destroyed, 33 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 5 disabled
Guns lost 33 (9 destroyed, 24 disabled)
Vehicles lost 127 (86 destroyed, 41 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
10 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Here is the sitrep for the area:

seydlitz_slith · Post by **seydlitz_slith** » Mon Nov 09, 2009 12:49 am

In China, I captured Changsha....

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Ground combat at Changsha (82,52)

Japanese Shock attack

Attacking force 99786 troops, 907 guns, 135 vehicles, Assault Value = 2796

Defending force 73323 troops, 422 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 1432

Japanese adjusted assault: 2411

Allied adjusted defense: 467

Japanese assault odds: 5 to 1 (fort level 1)

Japanese forces CAPTURE Changsha !!!

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), leaders(+), disruption(-), fatigue(-)
Attacker: shock(+)

Japanese ground losses:
5313 casualties reported
Squads: 9 destroyed, 348 disabled
Non Combat: 5 destroyed, 171 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 33 disabled
Vehicles lost 11 (3 destroyed, 8 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
31411 casualties reported
Squads: 1165 destroyed, 11 disabled
Non Combat: 1399 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 219 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 69 (69 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Units retreated 13

Defeated Allied Units Retreating!

Assaulting units:...
116th Division...
39th Division...
34th Division...
6th Division...
13th Division...
13th Tank Regiment...
3rd Division...
40th Division...
58th Infantry Regiment...
51st Ind.Mtn.Gun Battalion...
1st Mortar Battalion...
11th Army...
8th Ind. Engineer Regiment...
2nd Ind. Mountain Gun Regiment...
2nd Ind. Engineer Regiment...
15th Ind.Medium Field Artillery Regiment...
14th Medium Field Artillery Regiment...
52nd Ind.Mtn.Gun Battalion...
...
Defending units:...
10th Chinese Corps...
20th Chinese Corps...
72nd Chinese Corps...
73rd Chinese Corps...
58th Chinese Corps...
53rd Chinese Corps...
26th Chinese Corps...
87th Chinese Corps...
74th Chinese Corps...
37th Chinese Corps...
99th Chinese Corps...
9th War Area ...
19th Group Army...

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