Thinz2 vs Zuluhour
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RE: 1944
Your CAP didn't fly mine did. I sent in 1 CV verus 3 with no pickets and poor nav search. I thought I would of had 3 days before the MKB showed up but no they struck in 2. I am packing my cold weather gear for a transfer to Alaska.
RE: 1944
January 14th 1944
This should be a good day for Allied HQs as streams of new ships appear in US ports, but.
SwPac-SoPac: Entire Kido Butai in the Bismark sea except Akagi group to the NW. Hiei, Kirishima, Haruna, and Kongo bombard Manus. We send some small packages at them and bounce two 1000#ers off'em. Off Holandia our screen gets mauled in two seperate raids. CLs Marblehead and Denver are afire along with a DD. CL Richmond takes a bomb hit also. The screen is to far to the west for LBA and is in trouble. I did not expect the other 4+ carriers to show up and close the range. I was looking for an intercept to the NW expecting Agagi to egress with her vastly depleted squadrons. The Tennesse is still floating without a hull. Shes hit by three more bombs and was at 95%F. 23 Bettys whiff on the Denver in the afternoon. The IJN flies 160+ strike missions during the day. Liberators do show up over Koepang and get 9 on the field and damage another 11. Southern Mist still steaming west. Her refueling oiler alters course to an out of the way inlet. The Spotting of the Yamato and Musashi at Taberfane was correct and they chose Darwin. 283 casualties, 39 base hits, and 46 damaged aircraft. SS KXIII gets a torp in Musashi, combat report says serious damage. She was lurking in port and gets pummeled by depth charges but survives and disbands in port. We capture Manus at tremendous cost to the Navy and Marines.
China: [/b] [/i] IJA recons by artillery. We release a Chinese Army group from reserve and send them to the Yellow River Line.
Burma; Small allied air raids and sweeps.
This should be a good day for Allied HQs as streams of new ships appear in US ports, but.
SwPac-SoPac: Entire Kido Butai in the Bismark sea except Akagi group to the NW. Hiei, Kirishima, Haruna, and Kongo bombard Manus. We send some small packages at them and bounce two 1000#ers off'em. Off Holandia our screen gets mauled in two seperate raids. CLs Marblehead and Denver are afire along with a DD. CL Richmond takes a bomb hit also. The screen is to far to the west for LBA and is in trouble. I did not expect the other 4+ carriers to show up and close the range. I was looking for an intercept to the NW expecting Agagi to egress with her vastly depleted squadrons. The Tennesse is still floating without a hull. Shes hit by three more bombs and was at 95%F. 23 Bettys whiff on the Denver in the afternoon. The IJN flies 160+ strike missions during the day. Liberators do show up over Koepang and get 9 on the field and damage another 11. Southern Mist still steaming west. Her refueling oiler alters course to an out of the way inlet. The Spotting of the Yamato and Musashi at Taberfane was correct and they chose Darwin. 283 casualties, 39 base hits, and 46 damaged aircraft. SS KXIII gets a torp in Musashi, combat report says serious damage. She was lurking in port and gets pummeled by depth charges but survives and disbands in port. We capture Manus at tremendous cost to the Navy and Marines.
China: [/b] [/i] IJA recons by artillery. We release a Chinese Army group from reserve and send them to the Yellow River Line.
Burma; Small allied air raids and sweeps.
RE: 1944
Joe: I'm in line for an Aleutian island transfer. Geez! I can't believe I was out guessed again! I thought for sure the IJN would follow past moves by departing in the face of success, (and towards the NW as I have Truk under a watchful eye) not reinforce with at least 4 more carriers and press in. I think the Emporer maybe staging fleet units in the Marianas now. The spot on Akagi was 40-80nm from Tinian and Saipan (NW). Next trun I am going to look for a "perch" to look in there if possible. As to switching to the dark side, I am at present a commited AFB, although I find the Empire alluring. I would much prefer another round as allies should the opportunity present itself. I FUBAR'd 1942 while learning a great deal and want another chance. Kinda like Jerry wanted another chance with Elaine when he found out she was faking.[:D]
RE: 1944
God I hate Seinfeld. That show was so stupid. I know how you feel about beeing out played. Take a sec breath deep leave the computer for awhile and come back with a clear head. Think from his perspective also. Then form ur plan. Thats what I do, maybe you can get it to work.
The only thing the Jap side has that I like is the prodution. I have been bouncing ideas with Koniu about a mod. I thought of both opponents redoing the naval treaties and whatnot. Decide what ships to build cancel troops locations and stuff then mod the game and play it. Yea, I want another game. I know I can do better Koniu has taught me alot and kicked my ass all over the place.
The only thing the Jap side has that I like is the prodution. I have been bouncing ideas with Koniu about a mod. I thought of both opponents redoing the naval treaties and whatnot. Decide what ships to build cancel troops locations and stuff then mod the game and play it. Yea, I want another game. I know I can do better Koniu has taught me alot and kicked my ass all over the place.
RE: 1944
January 15th 1944
CenPac: Southern Marshalls: Escorted SBDs miss on an APD, the destroyer last seen at Tarawa. resupply, reinforcement, or evacuation? HI: we get an xAK.
SwPac: The sea battles of Manus and Hollandia wind down. IJN TFs move to the NW (now). On Manus the last Japs are cleared from the island. The screen TF meets the IJN BBs egressing to the NW and lose the Denver. The three DDs left standing land over a dozen shell hits and absorb a few before the CL Denver goes down. The TFs will meet three more times during the day in heavy rain but will evade each other. Fine by me. SS Gar tries to land a fish at this IJN TF to but can't get by the DDs and will have to set sail for port. Bettys try again on whats left of our screen and whiff again. I think all three DDs will live to fight another day. The super IJN battleships depart to the NW from Darwin and are spotted and attacked by the RAAF with to little to late. They score no hits, but the monsters are out of the meadow. Southern Mist ordered on without delay. The Taberfane raid yesterday should keep the largest airfield for the next leg down for awhile with only smaller squadron level raids to keep it suppressed.
Burma: The air war continues, just when Zulu HQ thinks we are gaining air superiority, the ratios change and more IJAF appear in forward fields. Next game we send at least a group to India in '42 of heavies.
China: Much IJA recon by arty. He's feeling me out on all fronts there.
CenPac: Southern Marshalls: Escorted SBDs miss on an APD, the destroyer last seen at Tarawa. resupply, reinforcement, or evacuation? HI: we get an xAK.
SwPac: The sea battles of Manus and Hollandia wind down. IJN TFs move to the NW (now). On Manus the last Japs are cleared from the island. The screen TF meets the IJN BBs egressing to the NW and lose the Denver. The three DDs left standing land over a dozen shell hits and absorb a few before the CL Denver goes down. The TFs will meet three more times during the day in heavy rain but will evade each other. Fine by me. SS Gar tries to land a fish at this IJN TF to but can't get by the DDs and will have to set sail for port. Bettys try again on whats left of our screen and whiff again. I think all three DDs will live to fight another day. The super IJN battleships depart to the NW from Darwin and are spotted and attacked by the RAAF with to little to late. They score no hits, but the monsters are out of the meadow. Southern Mist ordered on without delay. The Taberfane raid yesterday should keep the largest airfield for the next leg down for awhile with only smaller squadron level raids to keep it suppressed.
Burma: The air war continues, just when Zulu HQ thinks we are gaining air superiority, the ratios change and more IJAF appear in forward fields. Next game we send at least a group to India in '42 of heavies.
China: Much IJA recon by arty. He's feeling me out on all fronts there.
RE: 1944
January 16th 1944
West Coast: The New Jersey makes port. The Iowa is not far behind. The yorktownII is only 480nm from the yards.
CenPac: SS Sawfish gives a little pay backto the northwest of Manus. The location of the attack leads me to believe the Marianas is an IJN nest.
SwPac-SoPac: B24s lay the wood on Taberfane. Only one squadron sent to Koepang. In 48 hours we plan a group size raid. The squadron does score decent base hits and claims a couple of Zeros on the ground.
Burma: In the first strategic raid of the war a reinforced group of Libs hit Magwe and score 88 oil hits. I'll have to look it up, no clue what it means.
West Coast: The New Jersey makes port. The Iowa is not far behind. The yorktownII is only 480nm from the yards.
CenPac: SS Sawfish gives a little pay backto the northwest of Manus. The location of the attack leads me to believe the Marianas is an IJN nest.
SwPac-SoPac: B24s lay the wood on Taberfane. Only one squadron sent to Koepang. In 48 hours we plan a group size raid. The squadron does score decent base hits and claims a couple of Zeros on the ground.
Burma: In the first strategic raid of the war a reinforced group of Libs hit Magwe and score 88 oil hits. I'll have to look it up, no clue what it means.
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RE: 1944
ORIGINAL: zuluhour
... Burma: In the first strategic raid of the war a reinforced group of Libs hit Magwe and score 88 oil hits. I'll have to look it up, no clue what it means...
Means 88 oil centres have been damaged and therefore not producing oil. As Magwe has at best only 300 producing oil centres you have in a single air raid put out of action a substantial part of Magwe's oil production. Not only have you reduced the local production of oil, the resultant drop leads to a reduction in both fuel and supply production. Plus it is going to cost Japan 88 days and 88k supplies to fully repair the damage caused by this single air raid.
You did not score any strategic VPs because you only score those for strategic strikes on American, Australian or Japanese Home (Island) industry. Had you achieved a similar strike on Japanese industry you would have earned 176 VPs.
Alfred
RE: 1944
ORIGINAL: Alfred
ORIGINAL: zuluhour
... Burma: In the first strategic raid of the war a reinforced group of Libs hit Magwe and score 88 oil hits. I'll have to look it up, no clue what it means...
Means 88 oil centres have been damaged and therefore not producing oil. As Magwe has at best only 300 producing oil centres you have in a single air raid put out of action a substantial part of Magwe's oil production. Not only have you reduced the local production of oil, the resultant drop leads to a reduction in both fuel and supply production. Plus it is going to cost Japan 88 days and 88k supplies to fully repair the damage caused by this single air raid.
You did not score any strategic VPs because you only score those for strategic strikes on American, Australian or Japanese Home (Island) industry. Had you achieved a similar strike on Japanese industry you would have earned 176 VPs.
Alfred
I understand that different.
You achieve 88 hits but that do not mean all hits create damage. Also there can be multiple hits for single oil centers.
So you can say that you damage between 0 to 88 oil centers.
"Only the Dead Have Seen the End of War"
RE: 1944
Strategic bombing of industry is different from attacking devices or other terrestrial facilities. There is no check on damage mitigating factors or to recalibrate back into percentage outcomes. This would be a reason why a dev such as Nikademous has on many occasions expressed the view that the damage caused by strategic bombing is too easy.
Alfred
Alfred
RE: 1944
January 16th 1944
TWIT HQ: Thank you Alfred. That was "uplifting" information.
All Theaters: Very quiet with the exception of IJN subs which score hits in the Bismark Sea, Indian Ocean, and the South Pacific. Our carriers are on the move.
TWIT HQ: Thank you Alfred. That was "uplifting" information.
All Theaters: Very quiet with the exception of IJN subs which score hits in the Bismark Sea, Indian Ocean, and the South Pacific. Our carriers are on the move.
RE: 1944
Just remember that although you have been told you achieved 88 "hits", that notification is subject to FOW. Which is why in real terms you might have actually knocked out fewer oil centres. Nonetheless it was a useful strategic strike. One which can be repeated again and against other targets. Ah the power of the massed 4E swarm.
Alfred
Alfred
RE: 1944
January 17th 1944
Between dealing with TWIT and THINZ's great reaction to the "Blade" operation I am 60 days behind schedule. Forward area ports have alot of leaky ships. Moral among strike aircraft and escorts is at Pearl Harbor low and coupled with some less than aggressive squadron COs I have begun to rotate fresh groups in SwPac-SoPac.
Alfred: Thanks again, I'm glad theres a FOW involved. It poses more questions and that is what makes the game spin.
SwPac-SoPac: Intrepid will refuel and join the fast carriers in 48 hours. B24s staged to central Australia when the massive IJN BBs were presumed spotted at Taberfane refueling are staged back to resume strikes at the southern DEI in support of Operation Southern Mist. The Southern Mist TF will refuel in 48 hours and continue west. IJN DDs off Manus pose a threat to TFs unloading there now and arriving tonight.
West Coast: YorktownII makes port and goes to the yards. Iowa joins New Jersey in port.
Burma: P38 recon flights over Thailand find 111 IJA fighters holed up at Chiang Mai.
India: Ceylon has been recon'd am/pm now for several days. In a possible IJN carrier appearence several powerful SCTFs are deployed and fighters are alerted there.
Between dealing with TWIT and THINZ's great reaction to the "Blade" operation I am 60 days behind schedule. Forward area ports have alot of leaky ships. Moral among strike aircraft and escorts is at Pearl Harbor low and coupled with some less than aggressive squadron COs I have begun to rotate fresh groups in SwPac-SoPac.
Alfred: Thanks again, I'm glad theres a FOW involved. It poses more questions and that is what makes the game spin.
SwPac-SoPac: Intrepid will refuel and join the fast carriers in 48 hours. B24s staged to central Australia when the massive IJN BBs were presumed spotted at Taberfane refueling are staged back to resume strikes at the southern DEI in support of Operation Southern Mist. The Southern Mist TF will refuel in 48 hours and continue west. IJN DDs off Manus pose a threat to TFs unloading there now and arriving tonight.
West Coast: YorktownII makes port and goes to the yards. Iowa joins New Jersey in port.
Burma: P38 recon flights over Thailand find 111 IJA fighters holed up at Chiang Mai.
India: Ceylon has been recon'd am/pm now for several days. In a possible IJN carrier appearence several powerful SCTFs are deployed and fighters are alerted there.
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RE: 1944
Posted elsewhere but maybe of interest here, this is the TWIT planning board. Typically it contains AmPhib TFs and special TFs as well as damage watch for capital ships. I also use it for invasion prep watch and OOBs.
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RE: 1944
January 18th 1944
CenPac: SNAFU at 1st Marine Div HQ as no one alerted them to pack. SS Trout deep sixes a PC off Saipan.
SwPac: RO33, picked up yesterday by naval search and ASW is found and sunk on the surface. The South West Coral Sea is a grave for many IJN submariners. Southern Mist will refuel tonight and continue west. Koepang is 75% damaged and Taberfanes runways are 100%. Two groups of heavies poised to resume the strikes.
India: No sign of the recon aircraft today over Columbo, maybe he sighted one or more of the hunting groups.
Burma: We sweep Prome again with Spits. The RAF achieves 7:1 or so.
CenPac: SNAFU at 1st Marine Div HQ as no one alerted them to pack. SS Trout deep sixes a PC off Saipan.
SwPac: RO33, picked up yesterday by naval search and ASW is found and sunk on the surface. The South West Coral Sea is a grave for many IJN submariners. Southern Mist will refuel tonight and continue west. Koepang is 75% damaged and Taberfanes runways are 100%. Two groups of heavies poised to resume the strikes.
India: No sign of the recon aircraft today over Columbo, maybe he sighted one or more of the hunting groups.
Burma: We sweep Prome again with Spits. The RAF achieves 7:1 or so.