AE Naval and OOB Issues [OUTDATED]

[oldman45]

Pzb, make a transport or amphib convoy out of AK's only. Load it up with supplies and merge it with your invasion force. I would suggest leaving seperate from the amphibs, it seems to work better if they are two seperate forces.

[Shark7]

Data Error:

Ship Classes Database entry #100 'Q' class

Weapon #6 20mm Oerlikon has only 01 ammo.

Same for Entry #102 'R' Class

Also include Entries #103 and #105.

[somali]

questionable name of units


IJN PB Ikunta Maru
“Ikunta” doesn’t sound like Japanese.
I suppose it is a Ikuta Maru(&#29983;&#30000;&#20024;), which is shown <a href="http://homepage3.nifty.com/jpnships/com ... m">here</a>


IJN leader
ID 4839 CPT Oda, Tamejiko
“Tamejiko” is odd as japanese man’s name.
Isn’t he Oda, Tamekiyo(&#23567;&#30000; &#28858;&#28165;)?
In December 1941, He was a Commander Submarine Squadron 4 which consists of I24, I25 and I26.

[JWE]

ORIGINAL: somali
questionable name of units

IJN PB Ikunta Maru
?gIkunta?h doesn?ft sound like Japanese.
I suppose it is a Ikuta Maru(?¶“cŠÛ), which is shown <a href="http://homepage3.nifty.com/jpnships/com ... m">here</a>

IJN leader
ID 4839 CPT Oda, Tamejiko
?gTamejiko?h is odd as japanese man?fs name.
Isn?ft he Oda, Tamekiyo(?¬“c ˆ×?´)?
In December 1941, He was a Commander Submarine Squadron 4 which consists of I24, I25 and I26.

Thank you very much 'somali'. Some very few of us have a limited grasp of Japanese; so some of the transliterations into English may well be defective.

There are very few native Japanese posters, so we do not often have the benefit of adequate 'correction'. I take your comments to heart and wish above all things to give Japan the respect it deserves. In Da Babes mod, I will make those changes you suggest, and will make any others you think are appropriate.

Thank you for purchasing and playing this game. If there is anything we can do to make it more comfortable to our Japanese friends, you need only ask.

[Gunner98]

Just noticed that the DD Ingraham and Ingrahm II are due to come on as rienforcemtent. It may be double accounting? Not sure. Both are Sumners, both in Oct 44, about 14 days appart.

B

[Bradley7735]

Is the ammo amount correct for device 1759 (3in A/S Mortar) on the E class ships Shimushu and Etorofu? The ammo amount is listed as 60, which is significantly higher than most devices. There are some other E class ships that have 24 ammo (which also seems kind of high), but nothing I've seen (even the Allies) is that high.

The ship classes in question are 1285-1288 (Shimushu) and 1293-1296 (Etorofu).

I wonder if the ammo amount should be 06 and not 60. All the other asw devices on those ships have ammo at 06.

[JuanG]

Ship classes #126 to #131 ('E' Class CL) have device 6 and 7 set to 4.5in/45 QF Mk V (#1514) when the weapons mounted on these were actually 4in/45 QF Mk V HA (#1522) from what I've read. The device assigned to them currently only entered service in '44 and is present on these ships before that.

Also, ship class #13 (Repulse 6/43) has device 9 (20mm Oerlikon #1540) assigned an armour value of 1 when this does not appear to be the case for other mounts of the same type on any ships.

[Moss Orleni]

Hi all,

This not really an OOB or strictly naval question, more a request for consideration in the next patch...I just wasn't sure where to put it.

As you know, the combat replay shows info on the severity and type of damage done as a result of air or naval attack on a ship. The combat report only shows the number of hits and some info on the resulting fire and damage level.

Since detailed hit information is displayed anyway, it would be handy to have it readily available in the game (ie via the report buttons).
This would add valuable at-hand intel that would otherwise require multiple reruns of the combat replay and a tedious manual follow-up.

Would it be feasible to include this in a next patch/update/hotfix?

Cheers,

Moss

[somali]

misspelling of IJN leader

Ishizaki Noburu miss

Ishizaki Noboru correct

He was the captain of BB Hyuga on Dec 1941.

[Dutch_slith]

Koninklijke Marine, Ex-Gouvernementsmarine, Gouvernementsmarine updated!

[Dutch_slith]

Dutch Merchant Fleet

Sources:
L.L. von Münching Schepen van de Kon. Marine in de tweede Wereldoorlog
Chris Mark Schepen van de Koninklijke Marine in W.O. II
H.Th. Bakker De KPM in Oorlogstijd
K.W.L. Bezemer Geschiedenis van de Nederlandse Koopvaardij in de Tweede Wereldoorlog (2 volumes)
R.W. Jordan The World's Merchant Fleets 1939

KPM (= Koninklijke Paketvaart-Maatschappij)

Overview:
Kidoel (775 tons, Sunk 420307), Merkus (865, 420304), Tidore (872, 420205), Tinombo (872, 440414), Moesi (913, 420227), Togian ( 979, 420220),
Minjak (980, 420302), Toradja (981, 420301), Tohiti (982, 420305), Toba (983), Tobelo (983, 420221), Tomohon (983, 420301), Tomori (983, 420302),
Toboali (984, 420110), Benkoelen (1.003, 420109), Bintoehan (1.021, 420303), Duymaer van Twist (1.030, 420304), Speelman (1.030, 420302),
Van Diemen (1.030, 420302), Van Goens (1.032), Rooseboom (1.035, 420228), Bengkalis (1.053, 420302), Boelongan (1.053, 420128),
Parigi (1.172, 420301), Palopo (1.178), Pasir (1.187, 420305), Generaal van der Heyden (1.213, 440414), Generaal Verspyck (1.213),
Balikpapan (1.279), Banjoewangi (1.279, 420406), Batavia (1.279, 420406), Generaal Michiels (1.282), Generaal van Geen (1.290),
Generaal van Swieten (1.300, 440414), Belawan (1.330, 420302), Sibolga (1.370, 420302), Siaoe (1.573, 420301), Sigli (1.579, 420302),
Sipora (1.594, 420305), Sipirok (1.787, 420306), Elout (1.797, 420128), Siberoet (1.799, 420301), Sinabang (1.799, 420302), Buyskes (1.800, 420127),
Sidajoe (1.800, 420302), Silindoeng (1.800, 420302), De Weert (1.805, 420701), Schouten (1.805, 420228), Siberg (1.871, 420307), Merak (1.848),
Mijer (1.873, 420302), Van Lansberge (1.937, 420204), De Klerk (1.986, 420305), Patras (2.065), Thedens (2.071), Van Outhoorn (2.071),
Janssens (2.071), Van der Capellen (2.073, 420406), Pahud (2.075), Van Swoll (2.147), Van Riebeeck (2.263, 420108), Rochussen (2.333, 420302),
Van den Bosch (2.354), Camphuys (2.380, 420109), Reynst (2.462), Van der Lijn (2.465), Lematang (2.512, 420123), Stagen (2.539),
Reael (2.561, 420202), Both (2.601), 's Jacob (2.839, 430308), Sloet van de Beele (2.977, 420217), Van Imhoff (2.980, 420119), Pijnacker Hordijk (2.982, 420222),
Van Heemskerk (2.996, 430414), Van Rees (3.000, 420108), Van Neck (3.027, 420303), Van der Hagen (3.033, 420304), Van Waerwijck (3.040, 420305), Karsik (ex Soneck) (3.057),
Sawahloento (3.085, 421214), Van Spilbergen (3.237), Melchior Treub (3.242), Le Maire (3.271, 420304),
Bantam (3.322, 430328), Japara (3.323), Ophir (4.115), Maetsuycker (4.131), Van Overstraten (4.482, 420122), Van Cloon (4.519, 420207),
Van Heutsz (4.552), Cremer (4.608, 430905), Roggeveen (4.782, 420301), Barentsz (4.819, 420305), Tasman (4.992), Bontekoe (5.033),
Swartenhondt (5.084), Ombilin (5.628, 421212), Plancius (5.995), Op ten Noort (6.076, 420228), Straat Soenda (8.184), Straat Malakka (8.343),
Boissevain (14.134), Tegelberg (14.150), Ruys (14.155)

Ship Class changes:
2470- Nationality: Dutch Convert From Class: unmarked
2528- Convert To Class: unmarked
2567- Nationality: Dutch Convert From Class: unmarked
2695- Max Spd: 11 Tonnage: 2071 Armament: 2x2 12.7mmAA, 2x1 50mm
2696- Type: AKL (Light Cargo Ship) Month: 5 Year: 42 Max Spd: 11 Tonnage: 2071 Armament: 1x4in, 4x1 20mm Oerlikon AA, 2x2 12.7mmAA, 2x1 12.7mmAA

New Ship Classes:
Merak Type: AKE (Ammunition Transport) Month: 5 Year: 42 Tonnage: 1.848 Max Spd: 11 Armament: none
Merak same as above, but Type: AGP (PT Tender) Month: 9 Year: 44
Barentsz Type: AR (Repair Ship) Month: 12 Year: 41 Tonnage: 4.819 Max Spd: 11 Armament: none

Ship changes:
9393- Location: Pamekasan
9394- Location: Pontianak
9401- Name: Duymaer van Twist Location: Tjilatjap Sunk: 42034
9436- Ship Class: Coastal Cargo Location: Gorontalo
9443- Ship Class: Coastal Cargo Location: Bandjermasin
9423- Ship Class: Coastal Cargo Location: Oosthaven Sunk: 420228
9392- Name: Bengkalis Location: Bandjermasin
9395- Location: Padang
9417- Location: Tarakan Sunk: 420301
9389- Location: Bandjermasin
9430- Location: Soerabaja Sunk: 420302
9427- Ship Class: Pacific S Cargo Sunk: 420301
9431- Ship Class: Pacific S Cargo Location: Tjilatjap Sunk: 420302
9435- Ship Class: Pacific S Cargo Sunk: 420305
9434- Ship Class: Pacific S Cargo Location: Padang Sunk: 420306
9429- Ship Class: Pacific S Cargo Location: Soerabaja Sunk: 420301
9397- Name: Buyskes
9425- Ship Class: Pacific S Cargo Location: Soerabaja Sunk: 420228
9428- Ship Class: Pacific S Cargo Location: Padang
9416- Name: Myer Ship Class: Pacific S Cargo Location: Padang
9445- Name: Van Lansberge Ship Class: Pacific S Cargo
9399- Sunk: 420305
9418- Name: Patras
9663- Captain: Prass, G.N. Location: Soerabaja Delay: 411208
9441- Name: Van Riebeeck Ship Class: Pacific M Cargo Location: Probolinggo
9422- Ship Class: Pacific M Cargo
9398- Ship Class: Pacific M Cargo Location: Banjoewangi
9409- Ship Class: Pacific M Cargo Location: Medan
9444- Ship Class: Pacific M Cargo
9421- Ship Class: Pacific M Cargo Location: Koepang
9448- Ship Class: Pacific M Cargo Location: Makassar
9446- Ship Class: Pacific M Cargo
9408- Ship Class: Pacific L Cargo Location: Tjilatjap
9411- Location: Batavia
9447- Ship Class: Euro M Cargo Location: Bombay
9442- Ship Class: Euro M Cargo Location: Soerabaja

New Ships:
Coastal Cargo
Kidoel Location: Batavia Delay: 411206 Sunk: 420307
Merkus Location: Merak Delay: 411206 Sunk: 420304
Tidore Location: Soerabaja Delay: 411206 Sunk: 420205
Tinombo Location: Batavia Delay: 411206 Sunk: 440414
Moesi Location: Soerabaja Delay: 411206 Sunk: 420227
Togian Location: Koepang Delay: 411206 Sunk: 420220
Minjak Location: Soerabaja Delay: 411206 Sunk: 420302
Toradja Location: Tjilatjap Delay: 411206 Sunk: 420301
Tohiti Location: Tjilatjap Delay: 411206 Sunk: 420305
Toba Location: Tjilatjap Delay: 411206
Tobelo Location: Koepang Delay: 411206 Sunk: 420221
Tomohon Location: Tjilatjap Delay: 411206 Sunk: 420301
Tomori Location: Soerabaja Delay: 411206 Sunk: 420302
Toboali Location: Bengkalis Delay: 411206 Sunk: 420110
Van Goens Location: Oosthaven Delay: 411206
Palopo Location: Tarakan Delay: 411206 Withdraw: 420217
Pasir Location: Tjilatjap Delay: 411206 Sunk: 420305
Generaal v[an] d[er] Heyden Location: Batavia Delay: 411206 Sunk: 440414
Generaal Verspyck Location: Tjilatjap Delay: 411206
Balikpapan Location: Oosthaven Delay: 411206
Banjoewangi Location: Batavia Delay: 411206 Sunk: 420406
Batavia Location: Batavia Delay: 411206 Sunk: 420406
Generaal Michiels Location: Pontianak Delay: 411206
Generaal van Geen Location: Batavia Delay: 411206
Generaal van Swieten Location: Batavia Delay: 411206 Sunk: 440414
Pacific S Cargo
Sidajoe Location: Soerabaja Delay: 411206 Sunk: 420302
De Weert Location: Oosthaven Delay: 411206 Sunk: 420701
Thedens Location: Colombo Delay: 431212
Van Outhoorn Location: Soerabaja Delay: 411206
Van der Capellen Location: Medan Delay: 411206 Sunk: 420406
Pahud Location: Balikpapan Delay: 411206
Van Swoll Location: Oosthaven Delay: 411206
Pacific M Cargo
Van den Bosch Location: Soerabaja Delay: 411206
Reynst Location: Oosthaven Delay: 411206
Van der Lijn Location: Oosthaven Delay: 411206
Stagen Location: Oosthaven Delay: 411206
Reael Location: Oosthaven Delay: 411206 Sunk: 420202
Both Location: Oosthaven Delay: 411206
's Jacob Location: Batavia Delay: 411206 Sunk: 430308
Sloet van de Beele Location: Oosthaven Delay: 411206 Sunk: 420217
Van Heemskerk Location: Batavia Delay: 411206 Sunk: 430414
Van der Hagen Location: Toboali Delay: 411206 Sunk: 420304
Van Waerwyck Location: Batavia Delay: 411206 Sunk: 420305
Sawahloento Location: Mombasa Delay: 421207 Sunk: 421214
Pacific L Cargo
Van Spilbergen Location: Tjilatjap Delay: 411206
Melchior Treub Location: Calcutta Delay: 431025
Bantam Location: Batavia Delay: 411206 Sunk: 430328
Japara Location: Tjilatjap Delay: 411206
Dominion M Cargo
Tasman Location: Soerabaja Delay: 411206
Bontekoe Location: Pontianak Delay: 411206
Swartenhondt Location: Batavia Delay: 411206
Euro M Cargo
Karsik Location: Padang Delay: 411206
Ophir Location: Sibolga Delay: 411206 Withdraw: 430630
Van Heutsz Location: Medan Delay: 411206
Cremer Location: Batavia Delay: 411206 Sunk: 430905
Roggeveen Location: Soerabaja Delay: 411206 Sunk: 420301
Euro K Cargo
Ombilin Location: Singapore Delay: 411206 Sunk: 421212
Euro L Cargo
Straat Soenda Location: Cape Town Delay: 411206 Withdraw: 421220
Straat Malakka Location: Batavia Delay: 411206
PMM Troop
Plancius Location: Sibolga Delay: 411206
Op ten Noort Location: Soreabaja Delay: 420219 Sunk: 420228
Union Castle
abstraction of course
Boissevain Location: Batavia Delay: 411206 Withdraw: 420603
Tegelberg Location: Batavia Delay: 411206 Withdraw: 420216
Ruys Location: Melbourne Delay: 411206 Withdraw: 420531
Merak
Merak Location: Bombay Delay: 420508
Barentsz
Barentsz Location: Soerabaja Delay: 411228 Sunk: 420305


next to come: OBM, Thong Ek and Rotterdamsche Lloyd

[Don Bowen]

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[Don Bowen]

also...

[JWE]

ORIGINAL: Harald Velemans
Dutch Merchant Fleet

Stuff ...

to be continued...

Hello Harald. Thanks a lot for doing this. Any info on Dutch kleine babys is much appreciated; except I dread going to the in-box, because I know Mr Bowen will be chomping at the bit.

To keep you from doing unnecessary work, must mention that the ship "Tonnage" is a calculated value based on Deadweight, and Block parameters, calculated to give an analog of "Std" tonnage for merchant-type vessels. Doesn't depend on Gross Register Tons at all, so GRT values, while nice, don't mean anything in game terms, so ya don't need to check up on it.

We have Lloyds Registry, in electronic form, going back to 1936. So if the ship existed (was registered) in 1940, or 1941, we got her specs on file.

Thanks again. Keep it coming. Don will love you for it. J

[Dutch_slith]

ORIGINAL: JWE
Hello Harald. Thanks a lot for doing this. Any info on Dutch kleine babys is much appreciated; except I dread going to the in-box, because I know Mr Bowen will be chomping at the bit.

To keep you from doing unnecessary work, must mention that the ship "Tonnage" is a calculated value based on Deadweight, and Block parameters, calculated to give an analog of "Std" tonnage for merchant-type vessels. Doesn't depend on Gross Register Tons at all, so GRT values, while nice, don't mean anything in game terms, so ya don't need to check up on it.

We have Lloyds Registry, in electronic form, going back to 1936. So if the ship existed (was registered) in 1940, or 1941, we got her specs on file.

Thanks again. Keep it coming. Don will love you for it. J

Hi JWE,

the GRT values are the only ones available in all sources and that was the reason for putting them into the table. Doesn't take much time to write them down, I'm using the GRT for comparison only. To check when the ship left the PTO or re-entered the theater, when it was sunk and where it should be located on the AE map that is really time-consuming.

The formula AE uses makes sense and is - once more - an evidence, that this OOB is the most detailed one could provide![&o]

Harald

[Dutch_slith]

@Don

Makian, Rokan etc.
I assumed these ships were to small to put them into the DB. I'll have a look...

[JWE]

ORIGINAL: Harald Velemans
Hi JWE,

the GRT values are the only ones available in all sources and that was the reason for putting them into the table. Doesn't take much time to write them down, I'm using the GRT for comparison only. To check when the ship left the PTO or re-entered the theater, when it was sunk and where it should be located on the AE map that is really time-consuming.

The formula AE uses makes sense and is - once more - an evidence, that this OOB is the most detailed one could provide![&o]

Harald

Thank you Harald. Was only looking to reduce your workload. GRT is actually good for comparison purposes - one model to another - so if it's no trouble for you, I am very comfortable with your providing that data.

Must say I am very impressed with, and very appreciative of, your work. Don and I, both, consider your posts on this matter as something special.

Thanks again. J

[Don Bowen]

Have you seen: http://members.ziggo.nl/hmeurs/Fgesp1.htm

[Dutch_slith]

ORIGINAL: Don Bowen


Have you seen: http://members.ziggo.nl/hmeurs/Fgesp1.htm

Not yet. Thx for the link!

[redcoat]

ORIGINAL: somali

questionable name of units


IJN PB Ikunta Maru
?gIkunta?h doesn?ft sound like Japanese.
I suppose it is a Ikuta Maru(?¶“cŠÛ), which is shown <a href="http://homepage3.nifty.com/jpnships/com ... m">here</a>

She is also listed as Ikuta Maru (Gunboat) in Warships of the Imperial Japanese Navy, 1869-1945 (Naval Institute Press).