AE Air Issues and Air OOB Issues [OUTDATED]

[TheElf]

ORIGINAL: CV Zuikaku

And another pilot question:
does the survivability of the pilots in AE depends wheather they fight over friendly or enemy TF/airbase. Do the defending pilots take less MiAs and KiAs?

yes.

[CV Zuikaku]

Thanks for the reply!
Good improvement! [&o]

[bradfordkay]

Zuikaku, in short... Yes.

You'll have a substantially greater chance of saving the pilot if he's shot down over friendly territory.


EDIT: I should have noticed that there was another page to this thread!!!

[karmannkc]

I have so many thoughts and questions, and I realize I am very late to the game but they are as follows.

1) Will "Carrier Capable" units like USMC Air units become carrier trained if they operate off of carrier for a length of time? I have at times left those units on carriers for months to years with out their status changing. I would think they would eventually become proficent at carrier landings eventually.

2) when one divides an air group will it go to "Air Group./A, Air Group/B, Air Group/C" or will it breakdown into that air groups corresponding squadrons;
for example 35th Fighter Group
39th Fighter Squadron
40th Fighter Squadron
41st Fighter Squadron
If so that would be swell.

3) Will it be possible to add or possibly hard coded in unit details like nicknames, ala Black Sheep, Jolly Rogers, Flying Tigers etc... make it easier to keep straight all those numerous VMF-*** squadrons and those blasted japanese squadrons which seem to have no rhyme nor reason to their numbering system at all. Not a criticism of y'all, but more of disorganized chaos of the IJ military more than anything, or my own cultural bias, whatever.

[Terminus]

1): No.

2): All US fighter and bombers come in squadrons now, not groups, so there's no breaking them down.

3): No.

[witpqs]

On the carrier capable vs carrier trained: is there a switch or some other mechanism for units to be designated 'carrier trained' instead of merely starting on a carrier? I thought I read something like that months ago in an AE thread.

[Terminus]

ORIGINAL: witpqs

On the carrier capable vs carrier trained: is there a switch or some other mechanism for units to be designated 'carrier trained' instead of merely starting on a carrier? I thought I read something like that months ago in an AE thread.

Yes. It's all done in the editor, with a "CV capable" switch for aircraft, and a "CV trained" switch for air groups.

[witpqs]

Thanks!

[2ndACR]

Are the Dutch and Brits going to be locked as per stock for upgrades?
 
IE........Brits May 42 and Dutch June 42?
 
I have seen reports that 24 Hurricane IIb's were diverted and used in Java after the fall of Singapore. Be nice to be able to upgrade to them.

[spence]

There were some Hurricanes diverted after the fall of Singapore. I think they were crated and not sure if many of them got put together before Java went down the tube but they were there.

[spence]

Hawker Hurricane in Dutch Service
Delivery
In 1941, the Dutch East Indies Air Force ordered twelve Hurricanes, but they were not delivered because there was a shortage of powerplants. In late 1941, a total of 24 Hurricane Mk Is on route to Singapore for the Royal Air Force (RAF) were delivered in crates to Tjililitan at Jave for use by tbe Dutch East Indies Air Force. They had no radio equipment and no oxygen equipment. On 16 February 1942, they were flown to Kalidjati, where they were probably serialed (1 to 24?) and a red - white - blue flag was painted on the tail at Ngoro. Of the two squadrons of the Java Air Force, one squadron defended Batavia.

Operational Use
Two Hurricanes were destroyed during training. The Hurricane flown by pilot Hamming touched the ground with the propellor and the other, flown by sergeant Hermans, crashed during landing. On 21 February 1942, eight Hurricanes were surprised during their landing at Kalidjati by Japanese Nakajima Ki.43 Hayabusa (Oscar) fighters. Sergeant Jacobs turned up in a bombcrater, but two of the Hurricanes escaped to Tjikampek. On 26 February 1942, the last seven Hurricanes flew to Ngoro and on 1 March 1942 the Hurricanes attacked the invading Japanese landingcraft at Bantam Bay and Kretan. One Hurricane, flown by lieutenant Bruinler, touched a boat with the propellor, but reached Ngoro safe. Lieutenant Marinus escaped to Soerakarta, but his Hurricane crashed the following morning, whereby the pilot escaped safely. Vaandrig (pilot) Vink flew to Banjoermas. On 9 March 1942, the six remaining Hurricanes were set on fire by their crews at Ngoro.

Combat Record
The fighting at the beginning of the war in the Pacific had created a surplus of RAF pilots in the Far East, because many aircraft were lost without their pilots, and there was resentment at the handing over of the Hurricanes to the Dutch, whose pilots were less combat skilled. But, in two weeks, the Dutch Hurricanes destroyed or damaged thirty Japanese aircraft, for the loss of 18 to 20 Hurricanes.

There are no photographes of the Hurricane in Dutch service.

Sources

* F-16 - De nieuwe straaljager van onze luchtmacht, H. Hooftman, Cockpit Uitgeverij, 1979.
* Hurricane, E. Bishop, Airlife Publishing Limited, 1986.
* Wings of Fame - Volume 1, D. Donald, Aerospace Publishing Limited, 1996.

I found this history of Hurricane I's in Dutch service. I also found that some Hurricanes (not sure if they were some of these Dutch ones or British ones) were captured and put into service by the JAAF (2 apparently with the 64th Sentai)in Burma but were destroyed in an AVG raid on their airfield before they actually got into action.

[karmannkc]

Thank you terminus for answering my questions which have probably already been asked a hundred times elsewhere. It is appreciated. I really can't wait for this game. [&o]

Oh, I have another question that has most likely been asked before. When one scuttles a heavily damaged CV a day or two after a battle will I still lose all of my surviving pilots? Why do they go down with the ship, or do they and I don't see them back in the pool? How will/does that work? Oh and will I be able to fold surviving fragments into full units on other carriers, (ex. Yorktown gets sunk and fragments land on Hornet, and the fragments get folded into Hornet's exsisting Air Groups.)

Thank you again for your patience. And Happy Holidays to everyone! [:)]

[m10bob]

From a prior combat AAR, I recall seeing mention of some training aircraft at PH. Are trainers in the inventory throughout, and if so, will they be linked to a nations' ability to train pilots?

[Terminus]

Yes and no. There are no aircraft of the type "trainer", but we do have training units.

[m10bob]

ORIGINAL: Terminus

Yes and no. There are no aircraft of the type "trainer", but we do have training units.

Thank you!

[timtom]

ORIGINAL: 2ndACR

Are the Dutch and Brits going to be locked as per stock for upgrades?

IE........Brits May 42 and Dutch June 42?

Negative, upgrade limitations are done per a/c availability dates.

ORIGINAL: 2ndACR

I have seen reports that 24 Hurricane IIb's were diverted and used in Java after the fall of Singapore. Be nice to be able to upgrade to them.

They're there, along with other Johnny-come-latelys.

[Barb]

How many B-25 versions are in the game?
Are there Strafers converions included? If yes at what rate and at what date on?

PS: Dont know if this was considered or no, but maybe this could be for a patch or WITPII:
Unit in New Guinea has lost few planes, when clicking on Get plane from pool, this will create fragment unit say at Brisbane, each time you click on Get plane from pool, one plane will be added to the fragment to some limit (24 planes squadron to sum of 24). Then this planes could be flown to their parent unit in New Guinea. Or the parent unit should come down to north australia to pick up the fragment.
This could better represent the way replacement planes were obtained.

[2ndACR]

That is already there..............if you want replacements for an air group and the unit is outside max ferry range from HQ, then a fragment will be created.
 
But it has been a very long time since I saw this happen. I keep my main HQ's pretty close to the front.

[Barb]

Nah! That would be my problem to see it happened also [:D]
(Actially is there actually possible to have such a fragment for H8K, H6K, Betty, Nell and others? I think not reasonably)

[Jmsimer]

ORIGINAL: doc smith

Thanks to you and herwin for commenting.

I had clear weather on one of the eastern Marshalls islands, island airbase of 4, and an American TF spotted by flying boats at the island and reported as transports and escorts. No apparent a/c there. TF was may 10 hexes away - well within range. As I said, the TF and a few following ones just passed blithely by on a straight line nor'est to sou'west and were not attacked at any point along the line. Should have been a cheap/easy kill!

I WAS ROBBED!

Well, that's why we have save games... at least if you're playing the AI. It's cheating, but if you're only cheating yourself, who cares? Enjoy the game any way you like