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[font="Times New Roman"]25-26 November, 1943[/font]
[font="Microsoft Sans Serif"]WEST OZ: [/font] Got a flight of Nells shot up by some Beaufighters. Lost about 13 on the day. So Kalgoorlie is now well protected. Preparing for a para-drop on Exmouth. Should be able to isolate and take that base back. The Allies have built a nice level 5 field there. [:)]

[font="Microsoft Sans Serif"]SUBS: [/font] Juicy convoy of LSI(L), AKA and APA near the New Hebrides that I-169 couldn't hit with a spread of four fish. They're moving NE, so that could mean action in the Solomons or Cent Pac soon.

[font="Microsoft Sans Serif"]SW PAC: [/font]Bases getting good supply drops all around New Guinea and New Britain. Nothing contested yet. The units at Lae must be getting a bit low since our rowboat corps took over their supply line.

[font="Microsoft Sans Serif"]ECON: [/font]Supply is now slowly going up again while oil/fuel is hanging fairly steady. There has been another rise in bunker fuel use as I shift new troops around and prepare for ops in West OZ, but the KB and all but a few surface ships are upgrading or sitting in port doing nothing.
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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR November 25, 42
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ASW attack near Ouv'ea at 117,156

Japanese Ships
SS I-169

Allied Ships
DMS Southard
APA Leonard Wood
LSI(L) Westralia
LSI(L) Kanimbla
LSI(L) Manoora
LSI(L) Glenartney
LSI(L) Glenapp
AKA Aquarius
AKA Virgo
AKA Thuban
DMS Hopkins

SS I-169 launches 4 torpedoes at DMS Southard
I-169 diving deep ....

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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR November 26, 42
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Morning Air attack on Kalgoorlie , at 56,147

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid detected at 57 NM, estimated altitude 9,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 21 minutes

Japanese aircraft
G3M3 Nell x 23

Allied aircraft
Beaufighter VIc x 15

Japanese aircraft losses
G3M3 Nell: 8 destroyed, 2 damaged

No Allied losses

Resources hits 3

Aircraft Attacking:
8 x G3M3 Nell bombing from 5000 feet
City Attack: 2 x 250 kg SAP Bomb, 4 x 60 kg GP Bomb

CAP engaged:
No.31 Sqn RAAF with Beaufighter VIc (2 airborne, 4 on standby, 9 scrambling)
2 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 8000 , scrambling fighters between 5000 and 8000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 22 minutes

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[font="Trebuchet MS"]Kagoorlie looks defended, but this likely means Perth is not and there isn't much in Geraldton. Part of messing with the Allies over here is to force some allocation of forces to teh area, further spreading what is available. Plus, there could be good pools of supply and fuel over here. We'll see. [/font]
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[font="Times New Roman"]27-28 November, 1943[/font]
[font="Microsoft Sans Serif"]WEST OZ: [/font]Paras of the 1st Raiding Reg land at Exmouth and attack, knocking forts down from 3 to 2 in a 1:1 result. On the 28th they drop forts to 0 getting a 2:1 and will continue to attack in spite of fatigue. Shortly after this two other SNLF para units will strike at Carnarvon.

If both bases fall quickly, in about a week, if all stil looks good, I may land two divisions at Geraldton. I have tanks prepping for Esperance, so if there is a strong response railed in there is a possibility to strike there and threaten cutting off forward troops at Kalgoorlie.

I don't expect all of this to go forward, and I'm sure he's been getting SIGINT hits for all of these units prepping and moving, but it may at least force the Allies to put units out of position, change prep possibly, and maybe even draw CVs into an area where they can be observed and even put under threat by hunter/killer sub groups.

[font="Microsoft Sans Serif"]BURMA: [/font] Still a lot of nothing here. A lot moving down the Arakan.

[font="Microsoft Sans Serif"]SIGINT: [/font] A week or so ago there were some big blips on SIGINT moving Southwest of PH. I am now seeing increased activity at Sydney. This seems like it could be a shift of the CVs to So Pac and possibly to West OZ. I have some I-boat scouts aong the South OZ coast, but will transfer a few more down here now to hopefully spot any move coming this way.

Also, in a related note, I am seeing some units along the rail moving to West OZ. So far it looks like no divisions have popped up in Perth or Geraldton, but recon is on high alert for anything new arriving.

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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR November 27, 42
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Ground combat at Exmouth (50,129)

Japanese Shock attack

Attacking force 521 troops, 1 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 25

Defending force 1543 troops, 14 guns, 3 vehicles, Assault Value = 7

Japanese adjusted assault: 17

Allied adjusted defense: 10

Japanese assault odds: 1 to 1 (fort level 3)

Japanese Assault reduces fortifications to 2

Combat modifiers
Defender: experience(-)
Attacker: shock(+), leaders(-)

Japanese ground losses:
28 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 1 disabled

Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Allied ground losses:
16 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled


Assaulting units:
1st Raiding Rgt /1

Defending units:
16th RAAF Base Force

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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR November 28, 42
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Ground combat at Exmouth (50,129)

Japanese Shock attack

Attacking force 866 troops, 1 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 28

Defending force 1513 troops, 14 guns, 3 vehicles, Assault Value = 6

Japanese adjusted assault: 34

Allied adjusted defense: 15

Japanese assault odds: 2 to 1 (fort level 2)

Japanese Assault reduces fortifications to 0

Combat modifiers
Defender: forts(+), leaders(+)
Attacker: shock(+), leaders(+)

Japanese ground losses:
8 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled

Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Allied ground losses:
29 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled


Assaulting units:
1st Raiding Rgt /1

Defending units:
16th RAAF Base Force

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[font="Trebuchet MS"]This is a pretty good shot at Pearl. The first time CV/CVL have shown up, although that doesn't mean they really are there. [/font]

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[font="Times New Roman"]29-30 November, 1943[/font]
[font="Microsoft Sans Serif"]WEST OZ: [/font] Apologies for the lack of updates. We're still doing a turn a day and often 2 a day on the weekends. It's busy at work around now, and I've been enjoying the turns and taking my time there instead of here working on posting. That'll change soon. Only a week until summer break! [8D]

The plodding toward the West OZ coastline continues. I've loaded two divisions aimed at Geraldton with 40+ prep each and a few other supporting units to follow assuming they take the base in short order. I've never landed against defended targets with prep this low, so I'm curious how this will work. If it's a disaster I'll just load up and clear out. [:)]

It seems Joseph is holing up in Kalgoorlie and not interested in committing to a defense here, which reduces one of the goals; getting VPs for Allied units. It helps in the other goal of quickly acquiring the region to see i we can inherit some resources and use some industry to support a delay in any Allied advance to the DEI through West Oz.

Paras took Exmouth on the 29th and this level 5 field will be useful to search and ward off \allied threats into the future. Next stop; Carnarvon.

[font="Microsoft Sans Serif"]SW PAC: [/font] I sent 4 Kamikaze class old DDs in to Iron Bottom sound to rattle the PT boat flotilla there, and managed to sink 5 of the pesky things. It was very dark and that seemed to work this time. Not sure what is better for killing PTs, but in daylight the DDs didn't hit a thing in the third engagement of the turn. These and two fast Es and a few RO boats are the only IJN presence in the area. I'm going to rely on air power to slow things here, but no major IJN commitments.

The Allies invaded Kirakira with a NZ Brigade, but it looks like prep was low, as there were a lot of disablements over the beach.

[font="Microsoft Sans Serif"]CHINA: [/font] In the North and West of China the IJA took Yenan easily and reduced forts at Kiuchuan
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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR November 29, 42
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Ground combat at Yenan (88,37)

Japanese Shock attack

Attacking force 13812 troops, 76 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 422

Defending force 3848 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 94

Japanese adjusted assault: 438

Allied adjusted defense: 27

Japanese assault odds: 16 to 1 (fort level 2)

Japanese forces CAPTURE Yenan !!!

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), preparation(-), experience(-), supply(-)
Attacker: shock(+)

Japanese ground losses:
186 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 22 disabled

Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled

Allied ground losses:
999 casualties reported
Squads: 28 destroyed, 13 disabled
Non Combat: 51 destroyed, 5 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Units retreated 2


Defeated Allied Units Retreating!

Assaulting units:
17th Ind.Mixed Brigade
9th Ind.Mixed Brigade

Defending units:
19th Chinese Corps
13th Group Army


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Ground combat at Kiuchuan (82,26)

Japanese Shock attack

Attacking force 4024 troops, 20 guns, 239 vehicles, Assault Value = 134

Defending force 8490 troops, 36 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 228

Japanese adjusted assault: 156

Allied adjusted defense: 152

Japanese assault odds: 1 to 1 (fort level 3)

Japanese Assault reduces fortifications to 2

Combat modifiers
Defender: forts(+), preparation(-), experience(-), supply(-)
Attacker: shock(+)

Japanese ground losses:
189 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 27 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 7 disabled

Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Allied ground losses:
265 casualties reported
Squads: 3 destroyed, 36 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 11 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled


Assaulting units:
5th Armored Car Co
15th Tank Regiment
4th Cavalry Brigade
23rd Tank Regiment

Defending units:
11th Chinese Corps
34th Separate Brigade
17th Group Army

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Ground combat at Exmouth (50,129)

Japanese Shock attack

Attacking force 859 troops, 1 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 27

Defending force 1345 troops, 14 guns, 3 vehicles, Assault Value = 4

Japanese adjusted assault: 17

Allied adjusted defense: 3

Japanese assault odds: 5 to 1 (fort level 0)

Japanese forces CAPTURE Exmouth !!!

Combat modifiers
Defender: leaders(-), disruption(-)
Attacker: shock(+), leaders(+), leaders(-)

Allied ground losses:
467 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 25 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 11 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 10 (10 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Vehicles lost 3 (3 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Units retreated 1


Defeated Allied Units Retreating!

Assaulting units:
1st Raiding Rgt /1

Defending units:
16th RAAF Base Force

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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR November 30, 42
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Amphibious Assault at Kirakira (116,140)

TF 14 troops unloading over beach at Kirakira, 116,140

Allied ground losses:
148 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 68 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 122 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 18 (0 destroyed, 18 disabled)
Vehicles lost 20 (0 destroyed, 20 disabled)


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Ground combat at Kirakira (116,140)

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 478 troops, 3 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 17

Defending force 7714 troops, 58 guns, 79 vehicles, Assault Value = 117

Assaulting units:
II/84th Naval Guard Unit
1st JNAF Coy

Defending units:
2nd NZ Brigade
22nd USN Naval Construction Regiment
176th USAAF Base Force
6th RAAF Base Force


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Ground combat at Carnarvon (49,133)

Japanese Shock attack

Attacking force 677 troops, 6 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 42

Defending force 3164 troops, 8 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 17

Japanese adjusted assault: 24

Allied adjusted defense: 7

Japanese assault odds: 3 to 1 (fort level 2)

Japanese Assault reduces fortifications to 0

Combat modifiers
Defender: leaders(+), leaders(-), disruption(-), preparation(-)
Attacker: shock(+)

Japanese ground losses:
74 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 6 disabled

Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Allied ground losses:
108 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 16 disabled

Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Assaulting units:
Yokosuka 1st SNLF /1
4th Raiding Rgt /1

Defending units:
110th USA Base Force
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[font="Trebuchet MS"]Success!! Moved the CVL to Tokyo and got the air groups the next turn. Thanks Loka! [&o][:)][/font]

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What was the pilot skill on the Glen to get you 4/4 DL on Pearl? Or was there more than one?
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ORIGINAL: Lowpe

What was the pilot skill on the Glen to get you 4/4 DL on Pearl? Or was there more than one?

I've been getting 2-3 SIGINT messages a day sporadically over the last several weeks. No recon!
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This is the kind of thing I've been getting a lot of recently. Usually that will reveal a number of individual ships in port and the fighter/bomber numbers.
[font="Trebuchet MS"]SIG INT REPORT FOR Dec 01, 43

Radio transmissions detected at 54,147.
Radio transmissions detected at Boise (218,55).
Heavy Volume of Radio transmissions detected at Pearl Harbor (180,107).
Radio transmissions detected at Vladivostok (112,46).
Heavy Volume of Radio transmissions detected at Pearl Harbor (180,107).
Heavy Volume of Radio transmissions detected at Pearl Harbor (180,107).[/font]
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[font="Times New Roman"]1-3 December, 1943[/font]
[font="Microsoft Sans Serif"]WEST OZ: [/font] Carnarvon falls. The US base force loses a bunch of support troops and if all goes well has no place to go anyway. Now the focus is on Geraldton. The portion of the IJN assigned to cover landings is moving past Exmouth into a dead zone without subs or air patrols now. I've tested the area and he's not really flying search here now, and subs are seemingly staying close to the shore. I've got a large contingent of subs patrolling off of Esperance and Albany to see what is coming and I want to send two 4 plane AV ships into the deeper IO to guard that flank, and they're moving slowly from Koepang now.

Gotta be careful, something big seems to be at Sydney.

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[font="Trebuchet MS"]SIG INT REPORT FOR Dec 02, 43

Heavy Volume of Radio transmissions detected at Sydney (90,167).
Heavy Volume of Radio transmissions detected at Bombay (36,24).
Heavy Volume of Radio transmissions detected at Sydney (90,167).
Radio transmissions detected at Corvallis (213,58).
Radio transmissions detected at Pago Pago (148,161).
Radio transmissions detected at Fort Ord (220,72).[/font]
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[font="Microsoft Sans Serif"]SW PAC: [/font] The Allied attack immediately at Kirakira, getting a 1:1 at first, and I decide it's time to give up my forward scouting base and fly out most of the two small Coy units here. I'm not really defending much below the Rabaul-Fincshafen line, so it's smoke and mirrors through the entire Solomons chain. I'll rattle some bones and bang some coconut trees occasionally, but mainly I'm just waiting for the Allies to be in range of the air force. By the time they are there will be Franks and service 2 Georges and Jacks down here, which is good.

[font="Microsoft Sans Serif"]VPs: [/font]I'm eating 2-4 VPs a turn in central Burma by not garrisoning those bases. I don't want to lose troops, and by keeping no garrisons, damage on the fields has moved to 100/100 for three of the four so far. It's a small drain on my VP ratio, but it's also a delay for the Allies to get moving over here. I'l take it.

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Ground combat at Kirakira (116,140)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 6296 troops, 58 guns, 62 vehicles, Assault Value = 119

Defending force 700 troops, 3 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 17

Allied adjusted assault: 51

Japanese adjusted defense: 31

Allied assault odds: 1 to 1 (fort level 1)

Allied Assault reduces fortifications to 0

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), preparation(-), experience(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
58 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 6 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled

Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Allied ground losses:
14 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled

Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Assaulting units:
2nd NZ Brigade
176th USAAF Base Force
22nd USN Naval Construction Regiment
6th RAAF Base Force

Defending units:
II/84th Naval Guard Unit
1st JNAF Coy

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Ground combat at Carnarvon (49,133)

Japanese Shock attack

Attacking force 1097 troops, 10 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 41

Defending force 3084 troops, 8 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 13

Japanese adjusted assault: 14

Allied adjusted defense: 6

Japanese assault odds: 2 to 1 (fort level 0)

Japanese forces CAPTURE Carnarvon !!!

Combat modifiers
Defender: leaders(+), disruption(-), preparation(-), experience(-)
Attacker: shock(+), disruption(-), supply(-)

Japanese ground losses:
87 casualties reported
Squads: 3 destroyed, 7 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 0 disabled

Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Allied ground losses:
866 casualties reported
Squads: 4 destroyed, 8 disabled
Non Combat: 62 destroyed, 9 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 6 (5 destroyed, 1 disabled)

Units retreated 1

Defeated Allied Units Retreating!

Assaulting units:
Yokosuka 1st SNLF /1
4th Raiding Rgt /1

Defending units:
110th USA Base Force

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[font="Trebuchet MS"]Looks like the fortress, a brigade and a base force maybe?[/font]

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You don't need me to tell you to be careful down there in Oz...my goodness it is almost 1944 after all![X(]

But I will.[;)]
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Interesting how late you're moving on SW Australia.

I did it "late" also, I want to say September of 1943, and I had a really rough time getting out.
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ORIGINAL: Lowpe

You don't need me to tell you to be careful down there in Oz...my goodness it is almost 1944 after all![X(]

But I will.[;)]
ORIGINAL: Lokasenna

Interesting how late you're moving on SW Australia.

I did it "late" also, I want to say September of 1943, and I had a really rough time getting out.

I hear ya'll. The idea here is not to take and hold. I noticed a while back there was little here. Even before Joseph took over the game I'd made some adjustments to have the possibility of hitting the West Coast from Exmouth down. I knew there were only superficial forces here, and that if he had prepped and bought out Aussie troops for Burma and So Pac, then there might not be a lot still able to react. If there were then they would possibly be delayed in other areas, or change prep even if I do manage to force a larger engagement here.

If I can get some territory here, then I will get anything important out ASAP. I'll aim to pull any fuel or large amounts of supply left over, and leave only small forces and air power, plus a good number of short range subs.

Carnarvon and Exmouth will serve as scout bases with naval guards holding against paras, so they'll have to be prepped fr or bypassed, but could still serve as information posts regardless.
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[font="Times New Roman"]4-5 December, 1943[/font]
[font="Microsoft Sans Serif"]WEST OZ: [/font] All is moving forward toward a landing at Geraldton by December 7-8. Interesting timing, right? [:)]

My aggressiveness and opportunistic attitude got the better of me on the 5th. I saw a few ships disbanded in port at Normanton. I made a late night choice to send Bettys to bomb the port, and the next day they flew without their escorts, previous to the sweep, directly into a hail of Hurricanes. We lost 25 planes. Ouch! [:(]

I'll not be doing that again. Luckily these were rookie pilots. Still it gives his fighters jocks kills as well as needlessly lost VPs, and I will not be doing that again. I can't trust LR escort, one-time recon reliability or that my opponent will not look at my recon and make adjustments. This is part of the adjustment with changing playing partners. I now have to assume best play and can't go on tendencies from the previous two years of game.

Looks like he's bringing units back from the front. Fewer units and numbers in both Perth and Geraldton. Probably smart.

[font="Microsoft Sans Serif"]SW PAC: [/font] All quiet now.

[font="Microsoft Sans Serif"]ECON: [/font]Supply is slowly growing still in spite of the major late war build-up in engine factories. I've allocated what I will definitely need now, and it won't all be rpaired until mid-44, just in time to start being bombed! [:D]


[font="Trebuchet MS"]Here is a recent shot of economic trends.[/font]


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Your supply, fuel, and oil numbers concern me somewhat. You're on the cusp of being "out" of oil, and your fuel number is trending down instead of holding steady. Your supplies are holding steady, but... you're looking at the end of the line in terms of surplus oil.

What can you do to try to get him to focus on Asia instead of islands? More land combat = less fuel spent for you.
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ORIGINAL: Lokasenna

Your supply, fuel, and oil numbers concern me somewhat. You're on the cusp of being "out" of oil, and your fuel number is trending down instead of holding steady. Your supplies are holding steady, but... you're looking at the end of the line in terms of surplus oil.

What can you do to try to get him to focus on Asia instead of islands? More land combat = less fuel spent for you.

I'll get plenty of land combat soon enough. He's stacking up in burma and that is definitely going to explode at some point. I'm going to be conserving as much as possible from here on out, but I'm not sure the numbers are actually so bad.

Using the same amount I've used for the past 24 days on this tracker account my fuel stocks would reduce by 859,761 fuel points in a year. Reduce another 24 days worth and I'd be going into 1/45 with ~4,531,746 in fuel stores.

At current usage my oil would go down 128,031 assuming I still held the same oil centers I hold now. Adjusting for just over a year at the same rate and I'd have 564,258 remaining on 1/45.

Have a look at njp72 numbers, since he's a very well run economy moving through 45. These look somewhat comparable as estimates. What do you have vs Bullwinkle?

The key to me is holding the oil and transit to Japan longer than 1/45. That is also a part of why I'm going for West Oz. Aiming to delay a move for the DEI by making it just that much harder.

Right now I'm using more shipping for this op in Oz, and I'm hoping to recoup that with fuel that is there. I may find none left, so it's a gamble. I've gotten about 1,000 points form Exmouth and Carnarvon o far, which is a pittance, but Perth is a size 9 port. Might be some there, especially since he's pulled forces out and any battle would be quick, hopefully.

Real conservation including turning off all but the most critical field/forts construction will commence on 1/45. I hope to be pulling units back out of OZ by then as well, settling down use of combat ships and troop transports and waiting.

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ORIGINAL: Lokasenna

Your supply, fuel, and oil numbers concern me somewhat. You're on the cusp of being "out" of oil, and your fuel number is trending down instead of holding steady. Your supplies are holding steady, but... you're looking at the end of the line in terms of surplus oil.

What can you do to try to get him to focus on Asia instead of islands? More land combat = less fuel spent for you.

I'll get plenty of land combat soon enough. He's stacking up in burma and that is definitely going to explode at some point. I'm going to be conserving as much as possible from here on out, but I'm not sure the numbers are actually so bad.

Using the same amount I've used for the past 24 days on this tracker account my fuel stocks would reduce by 859,761 fuel points in a year. Reduce another 24 days worth and I'd be going into 1/45 with ~4,531,746 in fuel stores.

At current usage my oil would go down 128,031 assuming I still held the same oil centers I hold now. Adjusting for just over a year at the same rate and I'd have 564,258 remaining on 1/45.

Have a look at njp72 numbers, since he's a very well run economy moving through 45. These look somewhat comparable as estimates. What do you have vs Bullwinkle?

Um, more... it is Scen 2, though, so I started with more. But it's significantly more at the end of April 1944. I'm not sure why. Perhaps I've just managed to be more frugal than others with my fleet. For Oil, even though I lost out on Magwe entirely, I'm not quite down to the numbers you have here.

It would be great if you got more supply from Perth. Even if it were just 25K or so - that would pay for the op, pretty much. Except for the fuel part.
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Your supply, fuel, and oil numbers concern me somewhat. You're on the cusp of being "out" of oil, and your fuel number is trending down instead of holding steady. Your supplies are holding steady, but... you're looking at the end of the line in terms of surplus oil.

What can you do to try to get him to focus on Asia instead of islands? More land combat = less fuel spent for you.

I'll get plenty of land combat soon enough. He's stacking up in burma and that is definitely going to explode at some point. I'm going to be conserving as much as possible from here on out, but I'm not sure the numbers are actually so bad.

Using the same amount I've used for the past 24 days on this tracker account my fuel stocks would reduce by 859,761 fuel points in a year. Reduce another 24 days worth and I'd be going into 1/45 with ~4,531,746 in fuel stores.

At current usage my oil would go down 128,031 assuming I still held the same oil centers I hold now. Adjusting for just over a year at the same rate and I'd have 564,258 remaining on 1/45.

Have a look at njp72 numbers, since he's a very well run economy moving through 45. These look somewhat comparable as estimates. What do you have vs Bullwinkle?

Um, more... it is Scen 2, though, so I started with more. But it's significantly more at the end of April 1944. I'm not sure why. Perhaps I've just managed to be more frugal than others with my fleet. For Oil, even though I lost out on Magwe entirely, I'm not quite down to the numbers you have here.

It would be great if you got more supply from Perth. Even if it were just 25K or so - that would pay for the op, pretty much. Except for the fuel part.

I'm hoping for the fuel part to be there too.
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I'll get plenty of land combat soon enough. He's stacking up in burma and that is definitely going to explode at some point. I'm going to be conserving as much as possible from here on out, but I'm not sure the numbers are actually so bad.

Using the same amount I've used for the past 24 days on this tracker account my fuel stocks would reduce by 859,761 fuel points in a year. Reduce another 24 days worth and I'd be going into 1/45 with ~4,531,746 in fuel stores.

At current usage my oil would go down 128,031 assuming I still held the same oil centers I hold now. Adjusting for just over a year at the same rate and I'd have 564,258 remaining on 1/45.

Have a look at njp72 numbers, since he's a very well run economy moving through 45. These look somewhat comparable as estimates. What do you have vs Bullwinkle?

Um, more... it is Scen 2, though, so I started with more. But it's significantly more at the end of April 1944. I'm not sure why. Perhaps I've just managed to be more frugal than others with my fleet. For Oil, even though I lost out on Magwe entirely, I'm not quite down to the numbers you have here.

It would be great if you got more supply from Perth. Even if it were just 25K or so - that would pay for the op, pretty much. Except for the fuel part.

I'm hoping for the fuel part to be there too.

Well, I mean... you know at least 9000 is there. But will you get it? [:'(]
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Um, more... it is Scen 2, though, so I started with more. But it's significantly more at the end of April 1944. I'm not sure why. Perhaps I've just managed to be more frugal than others with my fleet. For Oil, even though I lost out on Magwe entirely, I'm not quite down to the numbers you have here.

It would be great if you got more supply from Perth. Even if it were just 25K or so - that would pay for the op, pretty much. Except for the fuel part.

I'm hoping for the fuel part to be there too.

Well, I mean... you know at least 9000 is there. But will you get it? [:'(]

Yes. That is the question.

I'm trying to cut the rail at Cunerdin, hoping that if he turns the spigot off toward Perth and sends it backwards, that I could trap some of that fuel and supply in there.
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[font="Times New Roman"]6-8 December, 1943[/font]
[font="Microsoft Sans Serif"]SUBS: [/font]Allied subs hit a few of my little but important ships off of OZ. I was sending in two DMS to clean out Geraldton if needed and subs got them both. Yikes. It's getting to be that time.

Then worse happened on the 7th. The CVE Hosho is embedded with a big follow-on invasion TF and Plunger pops up to nail the little carrier with one Mk14. Luckily the Hosho is only at 18/29(15) and it can still do 18 knots. They'll hug the coast and pray for now.

On the 8th all hell breaks loose around Geraldton as amphibs move in. Seal, Ray, Tambor, Searaven and O21 are all engaged and fire on our TFs. Luckily no more major ships are hit, and the escorts sink Searaven outright on the surface and hit O21 with a few penetrating shots and set it on fire. Kates in the day report hitting three more subs.

[font="Microsoft Sans Serif"]WEST OZ: [/font]The invasions land on the night of the 8th after moving in from two hexes out and begin to unload during the night phase. The CD guns hit the escorting cruisers but the amphibs are relatively unscathed. I got a bit worried when the two divisions take over 200 disabled infantry squads landing, but they're both low disruption and over 2/3 healthy, thankfully. This was a gamble at 40+ prep, and it's good to be able to still attack on D-day +1. They should easily take the base against just the fortress left here with AV at 622 vs 6.

I dropped on Cunerdin to find three RAN base forces there. Maybe trying to rail out? Our para suffered but these haven't attacked since the landing, meaning they're either still in strat mode or he thought I was going to keep ging and land more. I've waited, but have three other para units to send, and will land more on the 9th, hoping to at least thwart any attack by the Aussies if not take the base.

[font="Microsoft Sans Serif"]SW PAC: [/font]Lots of Libs bomb Munda and Shortlands over several days. I want to get a few troops into this area to make sure there are no freebies, and 4 x SNLF Coy are disembarking at Rabaul now. I'll fly them in over the next days.
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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR December 6, 42
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Sub attack near Carnarvon at 47,133

Japanese Ships
DMS W-19, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage

Allied Ships
SS Ray

SS Ray launches 2 torpedoes
Ray diving deep ....
Sub escapes detection

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Morning Air attack on TF, near Ramree Island at 54,48

Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid spotted at 17 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 4 minutes

Japanese aircraft
D4Y1 Judy x 17
Ki-43-IIIa Oscar x 27

No Japanese losses

Allied Ships
xAK Hermion, Bomb hits 5, and is sunk

Aircraft Attacking:
4 x D4Y1 Judy releasing from 1000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 500 kg SAP Bomb

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Ground combat at Cunderdin (51,147)

Japanese Shock attack

Attacking force 211 troops, 4 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 16

Defending force 6144 troops, 50 guns, 6 vehicles, Assault Value = 27

Japanese adjusted assault: 6

Allied adjusted defense: 52

Japanese assault odds: 1 to 8 (fort level 0)

Combat modifiers
Defender: op mode(-), preparation(-), experience(-)
Attacker: shock(+), leaders(-)

Japanese ground losses:
75 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 9 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled

Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 2 (2 destroyed, 0 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
80 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled

Engineers: 0 destroyed, 6 disabled

Assaulting units:
Yokosuka 3rd SNLF /1

Defending units:
4th RAN Base Force
3rd RAN Base Force
2nd RAAF Base Force

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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR December 7, 42
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Sub attack near Esperance at 60,153

Japanese Ships
SS I-173, hits 3

Allied Ships
AMc MMS B, Torpedo hits 1, heavy damage
AS Zuiderkruis
AR Castor
AMc Gedeh
AMc Kawi
AM Shepparton

SS I-173 launches 4 torpedoes at AMc MMS B
I-173 bottoming out ....

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Sub attack near Carnarvon at 47,135

Japanese Ships
CVE Hosho, Torpedo hits 1
xAP Naminoue Maru
xAP Tenzan Maru
xAP Kobe Maru
xAP Kongo Maru
xAP Argentina Maru
xAK Maebasi Maru
xAK Lima Maru
DD Oboro

Allied Ships
SS Plunger

SS Plunger launches 4 torpedoes at CVE Hosho
Plunger diving deep ....

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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR December 8, 42
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Sub attack near Carnarvon at 47,134

Japanese Ships
DMS W-7, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage

Allied Ships
SS Seal

SS Seal launches 4 torpedoes
Sub escapes detection

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Sub attack near Sale at 86,173

Japanese Ships
SS I-176

Allied Ships
xAK Ravnaas, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
CM Rigel
CMc Pro Patria
AM Cromarty
AM Latrobe
AS Janssens
AO Kurumba
TK Marpessa
TK Francol
xAP Illisos
xAP Iron Knob
xAP Dundula
xAP Allara
xAP Limerick
xAP Nairana
xAP Diomed
xAP Tai Sang
xAK Liran
xAK Wulin
xAK Taiyuan
xAKL Wawa
AM Pieter de Bitter
AM Jan van Amstel

SS I-176 launches 6 torpedoes at xAK Ravnaas
AM Pieter de Bitter fails to find sub, continues to search...
AM Jan van Amstel fails to find sub and abandons search
AM Pieter de Bitter fails to find sub, continues to search...
Escort abandons search for sub

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ASW attack near Geraldton at 49,141

Japanese Ships
DD Ayanami
DD Ushio

Allied Ships
SS O21, hits 10, on fire

SS O21 is located by DD Ayanami
DD Ushio fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Ushio attacking submerged sub ....
DD Ushio fails to find sub, continues to search...
Escort abandons search for sub

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Submarine attack near Geraldton at 48,141

Japanese Ships
DD Mutsuki
CS Mizuho
DD Mochizuki
DD Mikazuki
DD Nagatsuki

Allied Ships
SS Searaven, hits 29, and is sunk

SS Searaven launches 4 torpedoes at DD Mutsuki
DD Mochizuki fails to find sub and abandons search
DD Mikazuki attacking submerged sub ....
SS Searaven forced to surface!
DD Mochizuki firing on surfaced sub ....
Sub slips beneath the waves

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Ground combat at Geraldton (49,141)

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 479 troops, 2 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 6

Defending force 23351 troops, 236 guns, 173 vehicles, Assault Value = 622

Allied ground losses:
31 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled


Assaulting units:
Geraldton Fortress

Defending units:
38th Division
9th Tank Rgt /1
33rd Div /9

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[font="Trebuchet MS"]There are still 8-9 subs visible here that could cause some problems. There seems to be no attempt to hit us by air in spite of the large fields at Perth. Katherine is only a size 1 field for now, and that is the major area of buildup for the Aussies currently. Esperance and Albany are level 3. Geraldton is a level 7 which will be great once it falls. [/font]
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[font="Times New Roman"]9-10 December, 1943[/font]
[font="Microsoft Sans Serif"]SUBS: [/font]Put a few subs in the lines from WC to OZ south of the Hawaiian Islands. The first to get near anything doesn't even get a shot off before it's sighted and hit by DE Decoy and is limping back to Truk with 88 float damage. Welcome to late 43.

Lost a small 14 knot AV which was acting as a scout ship on the western flank in the IO. What was the Plunger doing 12-15 hexes off the OZ coastline? [:@]

[font="Microsoft Sans Serif"]West OZ: [/font] We take Geraldton easily. Now a bit more can land here and the major LCU will get into strat mode for a little journey to Cunerdin.

Our paras took Bussleton and will go for Esperance as well. Nothing is at any of these ports. I'l send my subs in to refuel at each of them. I'm getting up to about 5k fuel captured and another ~4k supply. If Perth has a some for us then this'll be completely paid for and we'll also get to wipe out the resources at Kalgoorlie and Corrunna Downs to get some more permanent strat VPs. [:)]

[font="Microsoft Sans Serif"]CHINA: [/font] Got everyone to Sining and set a DA for the 9th. It got a 1:2 and resulted in 200+ disabled squads for the IJA and only 1/4 that for the Chinese. They're still battling here. I'll keep up the daily marginally effective milk-runs and wait to recover. The units farther west at Kiuchuan include two decent tank regiments and once that falls, likely next turn, I'll send those to Sining.
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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR December 9, 42
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ASW attack near Christmas Island at 182,126

Japanese Ships
, heavy damage


Allied Ships
xAP Empress ' Australia
xAP Empress ' Scotland
DE Decoy

SS I-166 is sighted by escort
I-166 diving deep ....

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Ground combat at Geraldton (49,141)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 23815 troops, 239 guns, 174 vehicles, Assault Value = 655

Defending force 421 troops, 2 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 3

Japanese adjusted assault: 804

Allied adjusted defense: 1

Japanese assault odds: 804 to 1 (fort level 3)

Japanese forces CAPTURE Geraldton !!!

Combat modifiers
Defender: forts(+), experience(-)
Attacker: fatigue(-)

Allied ground losses:
522 casualties reported
Squads: 11 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 24 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 15 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 2 (2 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Units destroyed 1


Assaulting units:
9th Tank Regiment
38th Division
33rd Division

Defending units:
Geraldton Fortress

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Ground combat at Sining (80,32)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 21599 troops, 120 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 675

Defending force 21086 troops, 85 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 470

Japanese adjusted assault: 560

Allied adjusted defense: 670

Japanese assault odds: 1 to 2 (fort level 3)

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), preparation(-), experience(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
1786 casualties reported
Squads: 6 destroyed, 207 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 18 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 10 disabled


Allied ground losses:
441 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 48 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 7 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Guns lost 3 (1 destroyed, 2 disabled)


Assaulting units:
2nd Ind.Mixed Brigade
65th Division
13th Indpt Infantry Regiment
Mongol Garrison Army

Defending units:
35th Chinese Cavalry Division
17th Chinese Corps
3rd Prov Chinese Corps
6th Chinese Base Force
40th Group Army
5th Chinese Base Force
8th War Area
8th Chinese Base Force

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Ground combat at Kiuchuan (82,26)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 3832 troops, 20 guns, 239 vehicles, Assault Value = 102

Defending force 7351 troops, 34 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 85

Japanese adjusted assault: 67

Allied adjusted defense: 48

Japanese assault odds: 1 to 1 (fort level 1)

Japanese Assault reduces fortifications to 0

Combat modifiers
Defender: leaders(+), preparation(-), experience(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
136 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 11 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled

Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Allied ground losses:
514 casualties reported
Squads: 11 destroyed, 51 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 10 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 7 (1 destroyed, 6 disabled)


Assaulting units:
15th Tank Regiment
4th Cavalry Brigade
5th Armored Car Co
23rd Tank Regiment

Defending units:
11th Chinese Corps
34th Separate Brigade
17th Group Army

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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR December 10, 42
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Sub attack near Carnarvon at 46,134

Japanese Ships
AV Matsukawa Maru, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
DMS W-22
DMS W-21
AV Keisho Maru
E Ukishima
E Asagao

Allied Ships
SS Sargo, hits 1

SS Sargo launches 4 torpedoes at AV Matsukawa Maru
Sargo diving deep ....
E Ukishima fails to find sub and abandons search
E Asagao attacking submerged sub ....

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[font="Trebuchet MS"]Matsukawa Maru before the war. Too bad she went down. I had some nice plans to keep these ships patrolling in the IO as cheap early warning that could give a better identification on coming threats that Glen subs. I've got one left I'll try to get hidden. [/font]

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Are you going to bomb Perth first, is that why you haven't just taken it already when it only has the defense fortress present?
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