Ki-45 is good because you can convert 1E army bomber groups to it and its fast enough and moderately tough. If you have lownav trained pilots you can send them in as skipbombers and the 2x 250kg SAP (it keeps the 250kgs at all alt as it is a FB) can wreck anything smaller than a heavily armored CA or Battleship. It also functions well as rear area defense from 4E. I would never convert a fighter unit to Ki-45 but its definitely better than the 1E bombers by a large margin and the fragility of IJA 2E bombers means they are pretty useless once the allies start getting halfway decent bombers. That being said as an offensive weapon its very much something you expend going in low and fast against high value targets, (shipping and 4E bases mostly.)
Check out Crufts AAR for example of what to do with the Ki-45. I think the 45-a model is the best in the stock scenarios as the bigger cannons are too inaccurate but I don't know if DBB changes cannon accuracy.
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ny59giants
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RE: MR.TOJO
GJ - I'm still hoping to figure out a way to get those convoys to show up with extra supply and fuel at Tokyo. IMO, once the Allied steamroller gets going in earnest in 44 and beyond, you will eat up lots of supply trying to defend against it.
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RE: MR.TOJO
ORIGINAL: ny59giants
GJ - I'm still hoping to figure out a way to get those convoys to show up with extra supply and fuel at Tokyo. IMO, once the Allied steamroller gets going in earnest in 44 and beyond, you will eat up lots of supply trying to defend against it.
Thanks Micheal. I haven't talked to QBall about this issue yet. But i really hope i can stuck with it without any "on-going modifications". Actually, if i'm not mistaken, it just means i'm playing a scenario 1 DBB game rather than a scenario 2 DBB game... don't see it as a game-breaker issue (not at the moment at least).
Sure i'll be happier with those 2,000,000 more supplies in the bag...but Obvert did manage to achieve a much larger Empire in his scenario 1 game, so i still think it's doable (or maybe i'm just dreaming
)About the KI-45... yes saros, i've read that AAR.... but in low naval anti-shipping role the KI-43 IIba and b is just as good as the Nick (same ordinance) and is much more cheaper (1 engine instead of 2).
In my plan the KI-45 (and only the "a" model) is just a bomber destroyer... however, for what i can tell, Brad will be using his 4Es in mass (he's been massing them since the game start) and with a strong fighter support (sweeps + escort)... and the KI-45 will be very soon too outclassed to be used in front lines. I'll probably keep it on CAP in distant bases only (so out of his P-38 range)....and so the choice not to upgrade any other fighter sentai to FB.
I'll live with these 100 Nicks (plus those dedicated FB groups that will arrive in nearby future).
I'm still keeping an eye on those 1E bomber groups. Using them as trainers or ASW for the moment... i'll keep them as they are untill the games develops a bit and see what Q-Ball will do with his future offensives
Obvert... i don't like the idea of enlarging too much the HI plants... Maybe a bit at Shangai and HK (where we don't have that many supply problems) but for sure not at Singa or Java...i've already spent 75,000 supplies to repair the 50 HI factories at Singa and 25 (out of 50) repair shipyard...and this created a shortage of supplies in Malaya that was difficultly solved. I better do these things very slowly... better safe than sorry, right?
Like Olorin said earlier, i have to decide which will be my main area of investment. I decided that air power is the key, and so i'll devote more efforts in R&D and air production rather than building warships or expanding further my pacific perimeter.
The goals remain the same:
- have the KI-44 IIc by semptember 43
- Have the KI-84 a by july 1943
- Have the N1K1 by Mar 43
To achive the latter two, iìm boosting the R&D of Ha-45 engine. The idea is to start producing 250 Ha-45 engines/monthly by 11/42, so that by 1/43 i'll be able to benefit from the engine bonus
RE: MR.TOJO
Despite my continual sarcasm against JFB who assume they are entitled to non-stop , non historical advantage, I see the situation that you are in as a perfect reconstruction of the dilemna that the japanese empire found itself in.
You have the advantage of knowing history and other gamers experience which helps you to maximise return from the Oil & Resources available in the game.
Look at the IRL japanese economic situation, despite capturing some of the worlds great resource areas they struggled to keep Avgas in their planes and rice in their soldiers mouths.
You are capable of tweaking your ship production and prioritise research into motors and airframes.
The AFB gets nothing, has to fight an ahistorical war against a pumped up japanese OOB with historical forces and suffer withdrawals regardless of the war situation in the Pacific.
I would have thought that those who played the empire would take pride in fighting against these odds as well as against the Allies.
You have the advantage of knowing history and other gamers experience which helps you to maximise return from the Oil & Resources available in the game.
Look at the IRL japanese economic situation, despite capturing some of the worlds great resource areas they struggled to keep Avgas in their planes and rice in their soldiers mouths.
You are capable of tweaking your ship production and prioritise research into motors and airframes.
The AFB gets nothing, has to fight an ahistorical war against a pumped up japanese OOB with historical forces and suffer withdrawals regardless of the war situation in the Pacific.
I would have thought that those who played the empire would take pride in fighting against these odds as well as against the Allies.
Interdum feror cupidine partium magnarum Europae vincendarum
RE: MR.TOJO
ORIGINAL: JeffK
Despite my continual sarcasm against JFB who assume they are entitled to non-stop , non historical advantage, I see the situation that you are in as a perfect reconstruction of the dilemna that the japanese empire found itself in.
You have the advantage of knowing history and other gamers experience which helps you to maximise return from the Oil & Resources available in the game.
Look at the IRL japanese economic situation, despite capturing some of the worlds great resource areas they struggled to keep Avgas in their planes and rice in their soldiers mouths.
You are capable of tweaking your ship production and prioritise research into motors and airframes.
The AFB gets nothing, has to fight an ahistorical war against a pumped up japanese OOB with historical forces and suffer withdrawals regardless of the war situation in the Pacific.
I would have thought that those who played the empire would take pride in fighting against these odds as well as against the Allies.
uhm... sorry mate but i don't understand (due to language barrier that often doesn't let me get irony) if you're critizing or simply stating.
However, yes, i do like this challenge...and i can tell you that it IS a challenge. A different one than playing the allies, but a challenge all the same!
It's a good thing to play both sides cause you understands how every side has its weaknesses and its strenghts....and you learn how to respect your opponent's successes (no matter if he's japanese or allied), knowing that he may have good toys at hand, but also that those same toys weren't that lethal when at your disposal....and so on...
Playing japanese for me it's like having suddenly discovered that i can have sex with a man and having exactly the same fun as i have with women... once you play "both sides" you can taste the best of both worlds[:D]
RE: MR.TOJO
Newbie question but how do you choose to repair LI or HI? I don't see anything that says 'don't repair' or 'put supplies into repairing industry'
thanks.
thanks.
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JohnDillworth
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RE: MR.TOJO
Now hold on a second. You just said that because CR has gone missing and you don't think you can be put in front of the Kangaroo CourtPlaying japanese for me it's like having suddenly discovered that i can have sex with a man and having exactly the same fun as i have with women... once you play "both sides" you can taste the best of both worlds
. Look, it's all good with me but if you have any photos like the penguin photo I urge you to only post when sober. 
Today I come bearing an olive branch in one hand, and the freedom fighter's gun in the other. Do not let the olive branch fall from my hand. I repeat, do not let the olive branch fall from my hand. - Yasser Arafat Speech to UN General Assembly
RE: MR.TOJO
ORIGINAL: JeffK
Despite my continual sarcasm against JFB who assume they are entitled to non-stop , non historical advantage
...
I would have thought that those who played the empire would take pride in fighting against these odds as well as against the Allies.
Not everyone wants to play an unbalanced game they are doomed to lose in the end. Even with significant "non-stop, non historical" help, Japan will still lose pretty badly. If people want to even things out, why make fun of them?
And before you say 'well then play a different game' I will point out that it is relatively easy (and fun) to mod this game to something more equal
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Grfin Zeppelin
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RE: MR.TOJO
ORIGINAL: GreyJoy
Playing japanese for me it's like having suddenly discovered that i can have sex with a man and having exactly the same fun as i have with women... once you play "both sides" you can taste the best of both worlds[:D]
Pics or it didnt happen.
(DONT DARE TO POST SOME)
RE: MR.TOJO
Yes - please refrain from any impulse to post below-the-neck pics of hairy humans of either female or male persuasion. [:-] It's bad enough for us that the TV keeps doing "Planet of the Apes" re-runs.ORIGINAL: Gräfin Zeppelin
ORIGINAL: GreyJoy
Playing japanese for me it's like having suddenly discovered that i can have sex with a man and having exactly the same fun as i have with women... once you play "both sides" you can taste the best of both worlds[:D]
Pics or it didnt happen.
(DONT DARE TO POST SOME)
No matter how bad a situation is, you can always make it worse. - Chris Hadfield : An Astronaut's Guide To Life On Earth
RE: MR.TOJO
ORIGINAL: GreyJoy
ORIGINAL: JeffK
Despite my continual sarcasm against JFB who assume they are entitled to non-stop , non historical advantage, I see the situation that you are in as a perfect reconstruction of the dilemna that the japanese empire found itself in.
You have the advantage of knowing history and other gamers experience which helps you to maximise return from the Oil & Resources available in the game.
Look at the IRL japanese economic situation, despite capturing some of the worlds great resource areas they struggled to keep Avgas in their planes and rice in their soldiers mouths.
You are capable of tweaking your ship production and prioritise research into motors and airframes.
The AFB gets nothing, has to fight an ahistorical war against a pumped up japanese OOB with historical forces and suffer withdrawals regardless of the war situation in the Pacific.
I would have thought that those who played the empire would take pride in fighting against these odds as well as against the Allies.
uhm... sorry mate but i don't understand (due to language barrier that often doesn't let me get irony) if you're critizing or simply stating.
However, yes, i do like this challenge...and i can tell you that it IS a challenge. A different one than playing the allies, but a challenge all the same!
It's a good thing to play both sides cause you understands how every side has its weaknesses and its strenghts....and you learn how to respect your opponent's successes (no matter if he's japanese or allied), knowing that he may have good toys at hand, but also that those same toys weren't that lethal when at your disposal....and so on...
Playing japanese for me it's like having suddenly discovered that i can have sex with a man and having exactly the same fun as i have with women... once you play "both sides" you can taste the best of both worlds[:D]
What I am trying to say, If you play the japanese (or German in WW2) suffer all of the probems they had. Dont play scen 2, fight the same fight they did.
If you want to play a balance game try Monopoly or Chess.
To me, using the same tools and doctirnes to achieve a better result should be the thrill.
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RE: MR.TOJO
ORIGINAL: Liebestod
Newbie question but how do you choose to repair LI or HI? I don't see anything that says 'don't repair' or 'put supplies into repairing industry'
thanks.
In the industry managment screen there are two buttons aside of every HI (repair YES or NO)
RE: MR.TOJO
ORIGINAL: JohnDillworth
Now hold on a second. You just said that because CR has gone missing and you don't think you can be put in front of the Kangaroo CourtPlaying japanese for me it's like having suddenly discovered that i can have sex with a man and having exactly the same fun as i have with women... once you play "both sides" you can taste the best of both worlds
LOL...oh com'on, it was just a litteral metaphor (sp!?)!!![:D][:D]
I see you still remember my penguin...don't you John?[;)]...glad you haven't forgot me....
anytime my friend[:'(]
RE: MR.TOJO
ORIGINAL: JeffK
ORIGINAL: GreyJoy
ORIGINAL: JeffK
Despite my continual sarcasm against JFB who assume they are entitled to non-stop , non historical advantage, I see the situation that you are in as a perfect reconstruction of the dilemna that the japanese empire found itself in.
You have the advantage of knowing history and other gamers experience which helps you to maximise return from the Oil & Resources available in the game.
Look at the IRL japanese economic situation, despite capturing some of the worlds great resource areas they struggled to keep Avgas in their planes and rice in their soldiers mouths.
You are capable of tweaking your ship production and prioritise research into motors and airframes.
The AFB gets nothing, has to fight an ahistorical war against a pumped up japanese OOB with historical forces and suffer withdrawals regardless of the war situation in the Pacific.
I would have thought that those who played the empire would take pride in fighting against these odds as well as against the Allies.
uhm... sorry mate but i don't understand (due to language barrier that often doesn't let me get irony) if you're critizing or simply stating.
However, yes, i do like this challenge...and i can tell you that it IS a challenge. A different one than playing the allies, but a challenge all the same!
It's a good thing to play both sides cause you understands how every side has its weaknesses and its strenghts....and you learn how to respect your opponent's successes (no matter if he's japanese or allied), knowing that he may have good toys at hand, but also that those same toys weren't that lethal when at your disposal....and so on...
Playing japanese for me it's like having suddenly discovered that i can have sex with a man and having exactly the same fun as i have with women... once you play "both sides" you can taste the best of both worlds[:D]
What I am trying to say, If you play the japanese (or German in WW2) suffer all of the probems they had. Dont play scen 2, fight the same fight they did.
If you want to play a balance game try Monopoly or Chess.
To me, using the same tools and doctirnes to achieve a better result should be the thrill.
I get your point Jeff and, in a certain way, i agree with you.
For what concerns me, this was my very first approach with Japan and, playing a scenario 1 game was considered simply too difficult to handle.
However now that i found myself in a "not wanted" scenario 1 environement (despite having the scenario 2 OOB) i think it's playable even for a rookie Japanese player...you just have to understand that you have very restricted limits in terms on how far you can expand (both your strategicak objectives and your economy).
Same would be for PDU on/off....but that would open another can full of worms
RE: MR.TOJO
QBall should be back today (hopefully he found a solution for his laptop's problems)...can't wait to resume the fight!
It's been hard to spend a whole weekend simply studying the Tracker and looking at the map...
But i had the chance of re-reading a lot of AARs (even old ones).
Doing this, i came up with the conclusion that i BADLY need to reinforce the whole western flank of mine. From Timor up to the Adamans. That is the softest place. That is where the allies have the best chance to land and to quickly estabilish a series of mutual supporting bases. The Solomons/NG aren't not nearly as critical.
I think i should be able to finish Manila within the end of July. Then i'll have 3 divisions and one Bde to spare (16th, 38th and 48th + 65th Bde)... but first i need to come out with a defensive plan, knowing that you cannot defend every dot base.
PzB showed that you can, even in 1943/1944, isolate an enemy conquest and counterattack. To do that you need several supporting AFs and a strong mobile defence.
In the Pacific the defence will be more static (also because counterattacking on atolls in a no-no!) but i need to draw a line in the sand and decide what i want to defend and what i can abbandon to him
It's been hard to spend a whole weekend simply studying the Tracker and looking at the map...
But i had the chance of re-reading a lot of AARs (even old ones).
Doing this, i came up with the conclusion that i BADLY need to reinforce the whole western flank of mine. From Timor up to the Adamans. That is the softest place. That is where the allies have the best chance to land and to quickly estabilish a series of mutual supporting bases. The Solomons/NG aren't not nearly as critical.
I think i should be able to finish Manila within the end of July. Then i'll have 3 divisions and one Bde to spare (16th, 38th and 48th + 65th Bde)... but first i need to come out with a defensive plan, knowing that you cannot defend every dot base.
PzB showed that you can, even in 1943/1944, isolate an enemy conquest and counterattack. To do that you need several supporting AFs and a strong mobile defence.
In the Pacific the defence will be more static (also because counterattacking on atolls in a no-no!) but i need to draw a line in the sand and decide what i want to defend and what i can abbandon to him
Extreme measures
Ok my friends,
I've studied the situation.
I've come up with the conclusion that, if i want to last untill 1945, i need to take NOW some draconian measures in order to start saving supplies, fuel and HI points.
First of all: i'll dry the training schools. I know some things it's gamey, but the way i see it, the extreme HI drain of late war training programs weren't foreseen when this feature was added. So i'll do it.
Secondly: i'll turn replacements off for every unit except for those which need to be rebuilt from scratch (those destroyed so to say).
I'll stop building forts except for places absolutely vital for my defences.
Stop every offensive operation a-part from China (hopefully i'll be able to stop the china offensive in late 1942).
Rationalize the use of xAKs. Use alsways "minimum ships" options and send to safe ports all those not absolutely needed merchants.
Halt construction of most of the non indispensable ships and shutting down half of my shipyards.
Stop repairing most of late war R&D factories.
I'll wait a couple of months with these measures on and see what are the results. If everything goes well, we may be able to restart something.
I've studied the situation.
I've come up with the conclusion that, if i want to last untill 1945, i need to take NOW some draconian measures in order to start saving supplies, fuel and HI points.
First of all: i'll dry the training schools. I know some things it's gamey, but the way i see it, the extreme HI drain of late war training programs weren't foreseen when this feature was added. So i'll do it.
Secondly: i'll turn replacements off for every unit except for those which need to be rebuilt from scratch (those destroyed so to say).
I'll stop building forts except for places absolutely vital for my defences.
Stop every offensive operation a-part from China (hopefully i'll be able to stop the china offensive in late 1942).
Rationalize the use of xAKs. Use alsways "minimum ships" options and send to safe ports all those not absolutely needed merchants.
Halt construction of most of the non indispensable ships and shutting down half of my shipyards.
Stop repairing most of late war R&D factories.
I'll wait a couple of months with these measures on and see what are the results. If everything goes well, we may be able to restart something.
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Canoerebel
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RE: Extreme measures
GJ, it's great to see you thinking through things this way. Just another example of why you are such a gifted player. You are far, far ahead of me in attention to detail. I doff my cap to you.
It has been very, very painful for all of us to have your game down over the weekend. Not because the game was down, but because it gave time for your mind to wander and for you to utter the most egregious thing you've ever uttered. You will be reported to the Kangaroo Court as soon as my eyes and mind are free of the contagion, which actually may not happen. I'm not sure I want to sully my fingers by typing a report to the Court.
It has been very, very painful for all of us to have your game down over the weekend. Not because the game was down, but because it gave time for your mind to wander and for you to utter the most egregious thing you've ever uttered. You will be reported to the Kangaroo Court as soon as my eyes and mind are free of the contagion, which actually may not happen. I'm not sure I want to sully my fingers by typing a report to the Court.
"Rats set fire to Mr. Cooper’s store in Fort Valley. No damage done." Columbus (Ga) Enquirer-Sun, October 2, 1880.
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Grfin Zeppelin
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RE: Extreme measures
Look around at Formosa, Pescadores, Babelthingie, Okinawa, Tainan, Hokkaido, Sachalin,Sadogashima. You might have alot of unused supply sitting around there.
If you are really desperate, there are a few thousand additional supply on these many small islands near Japan.
If you are really desperate, there are a few thousand additional supply on these many small islands near Japan.
RE: Extreme measures
[:D] C'mon, CR - you can type "flightless bird in a tuxedo" without getting your fingers ickky.ORIGINAL: Canoerebel
GJ, it's great to see you thinking through things this way. Just another example of why you are such a gifted player. You are far, far ahead of me in attention to detail. I doff my cap to you.
It has been very, very painful for all of us to have your game down over the weekend. Not because the game was down, but because it gave time for your mind to wander and for you to utter the most egregious thing you've ever uttered. You will be reported to the Kangaroo Court as soon as my eyes and mind are free of the contagion, which actually may not happen. I'm not sure I want to sully my fingers by typing a report to the Court.
No matter how bad a situation is, you can always make it worse. - Chris Hadfield : An Astronaut's Guide To Life On Earth
RE: Extreme measures
ORIGINAL: Gräfin Zeppelin
Look around at Formosa, Pescadores, Babelthingie, Okinawa, Tainan, Hokkaido, Sachalin,Sadogashima. You might have alot of unused supply sitting around there.
If you are really desperate, there are a few thousand additional supply on these many small islands near Japan.
No, i'm not that desperate now. But i better do it now, untill i'm still pretty safe, than tomorrow, when the allies will be advancing everywhere!
I've already emptied most of Taiwan, Formosa and Pescadores reserves anyway...