When?

[fiskog]

ORIGINAL: Shannon V. OKeets

ORIGINAL: PDiFolco

I'm amazed noone suggested to sell a "basic game" for 30$, then a sh*tload of "expansions" 20$ each... That's what is priced the boardgame, but if you tuck 10 boxes-equivalent into one proggie you can't squeeze as much cash..
I'm playing devil advocate, granted  [:D]!

The decision to not do that was made by Matrix Games way back before I joined the project. I had asked them about this then.

That was a great decision. Imagine trying to test the game with 11,783 combinations of options in play. Gak!

[Obsolete]

Still desperately waiting for this release.  But if purchaser's have to be beta-testers, then I'd rather wait a bit longer.

[IKerensky_alt]

ORIGINAL: Joseignacio

ORIGINAL: Greywolf

I think the game could impact the computer wargaming community, some of them not being WiF player. The game wont appeal at all to the vast majority of the other gamers : it is dry 2D graphics (even Paradox had to go 3D with Europa Universalis, to my great dismay by the may and alienating quite some fan base), turn-by-turn, long and need to understand nearly 80 pages of rules, even if the computer manage some of them.

To be true, Paradox has received a lot of bad critics on this. First because the easy part of creating a game is to include nice graphics but the hard one is to improve AI. Paradox has not solved the problems with the AI and tries to compensate with graphics. This has been received by the Community with divided opinions.

But furthermore, even for the graphics fans, the graphics for EU3 have been so poorly designed that many of the people who supported this evolution have said they prefer good 2D graphics than bad 3D. Not to speak of having to buy a new computer or at least a new graphic card and RAM memory with every new game, just for that.

Let it be clear: its rating on many general newsgaming papers and site will be abysmall (splg?) regardless of the game real quality. That is the way all complexe strategical game with no 3D and real time action go. For them Strategy mean RTS, even if a RTS is not really a Strategy game but a Logistic and Tactics game as we all know.

Maybe. Anyway, Matrix is behind the project and it means it has a credit originally. Anyway, I believe that, unlike other videogame players, the strategy gamers rely more on opinions of fellow players than in magazines' punctuation. I have seen really mediocre games, that include frequent CTDs, horrible AI, bad graphics, ..., be given a 9 out of 10 points, and so have the rest of players, so everyday more we only believe in reviews, and if possible, of people we know.

Let it be clear, what I am reporting is not what I feel. I didn't like 3D on real strategy games (especially EU3). But what I said is what I think will be the comments in the majority of gaming magazine and site, not in the wargaming specialised ones (not that they are all the numerous but they are the one that count).

For non-wargamer or casual wargamer to be attracted to a game like MWiF you need a real good buzz that you simply wont get. A lot of the journalist wont try the game at all, a lot of the game reporter just wont understand it because they lack the background to do so. That's the reason why I think the mass wont be appealed to the game at all.

If you say a WWII strategic games they expect a Blitzkrieg, Company of Heroes or Sudden Strike game. Some will buy, get disappointed and bring bad opinion on the game.

The game will sell well to computer wargamer, and will attract some to WiF that were scared at the sheer size of the game. But dont expect it to snowball the community and replace RTS. The only wargames that achieve some great public notoriety are the Panzer General/Operation Panzer and Steel Panthers ones, and they were perceived as having good graphics at this time and not so many opponent.

My guess is that MWiF will sold decently, hopefully as well as WiTP, but dont expect it to become a blockbuster or even be avaliable at every retailer.

[Joseignacio]

ORIGINAL: Obsolete

Still desperately waiting for this release.  But if purchaser's have to be beta-testers, then I'd rather wait a bit longer.

I fullheartedly subscribe your words.

[Joseignacio]

ORIGINAL: Greywolf

Let it be clear, what I am reporting is not what I feel. I didn't like 3D on real strategy games (especially EU3). But what I said is what I think will be the comments in the majority of gaming magazine and site, not in the wargaming specialised ones (not that they are all the numerous but they are the one that count).

For non-wargamer or casual wargamer to be attracted to a game like MWiF you need a real good buzz that you simply wont get. A lot of the journalist wont try the game at all, a lot of the game reporter just wont understand it because they lack the background to do so. That's the reason why I think the mass wont be appealed to the game at all.

If you say a WWII strategic games they expect a Blitzkrieg, Company of Heroes or Sudden Strike game. Some will buy, get disappointed and bring bad opinion on the game.

The game will sell well to computer wargamer, and will attract some to WiF that were scared at the sheer size of the game. But dont expect it to snowball the community and replace RTS. The only wargames that achieve some great public notoriety are the Panzer General/Operation Panzer and Steel Panthers ones, and they were perceived as having good graphics at this time and not so many opponent.

My guess is that MWiF will sold decently, hopefully as well as WiTP, but dont expect it to become a blockbuster or even be avaliable at every retailer.

I mostly agree with you, but I will explain what I said between lines before. I think all the distributors have influence (so to say) in the magazines, websites, etc., so I don't think the game will get bad reviews. However, most of us will probably see that other games, easier to make, get more credit, and think it's not fair. Likes (and dislikes) are like the ass, everybody has his, [:D] but i think this game will not reach the public like Blitzkrieg, Company of Heroes or Sudden Strike, however it could reach levels comparable to EU3 (or even more, considering the coverage of Matrix), which can be an intermediate achievement for a strategy game but is a great result for a wargamers niche board game taken to computer.

[IKerensky_alt]

Hum, good call on reaching a EU3 success. I think we could logically compare it to the number of Hearts of Iron as they are somewhat similar products, except that HOI is real time pausable turn by turn and MWiF is set turn by turn.
 
The trick is how much is MWiF is covered in the news compared to HOI3 ?

A bit of goggling show a Gamespot annoncement for MWiF posted in 2003, same for other gamesites. Hearts of Iron III got recent reviews and even video on gameplay and such on dailymotion and you-tube. I think the 2 product are due to be sold at the same time. Perhaps it is time for Matrixgames to send another message about the game progress and release so they could build a bit of expection elsewhere than in this forum or BGG or the World In Flames Annual. I am sure the Beta-tester have plenty of material to post...

[Folgore!]

As an old WIF players ( tho boardgame) i'm waiting since long time for MWIF. Like many other friends I know, we cant believe that we are near to see the issue of our unbelieved and favorite WW2 game.
Almost all wargamers in Italy have played WIF in the 90's.
I'm sure it will have a great success. But mi question is: how much time we must still wait ti buy MWIF?
Greywolf have reason. Matrix should send a clear message.
WIF is well know also out of the community of the PCgamers.

[Anendrue]

It is scheduled for release on the 27th of July, 2009. So you gotta wait 68 more days.

[HansHafen]

Don't tell her how much it cost. Just say you forgot or mumble something unintelligible.

[werwolf]

ORIGINAL: HansHafen

Don't tell her how much it cost. Just say you forgot or mumble something unintelligible.

DAY-DREAMER

[werwolf]

It is scheduled for release on the 27th of July, 2009. So you gotta wait 68 more days.

DAY-DREAMER

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[Joseignacio]

Ok, and if Steven needs 60 or 90 more days, what?

After so many years, a matter of months is peanuts!!! [:D]

[werwolf]

ORIGINAL: Joseignacio

Ok, and if Steven needs 60 or 90 more days, what?

After so many years, a matter of months is peanuts!!! [:D]

Right: as usually I'have seen here: the game will be ready when it will be ready.

i.e. NEVER..........

[Joseignacio]

ORIGINAL: werwolf

ORIGINAL: Joseignacio

Ok, and if Steven needs 60 or 90 more days, what?

After so many years, a matter of months is peanuts!!! [:D]

Right: as usually I'have seen here: the game will be ready when it will be ready.

i.e. NEVER..........

You are joking, aren't you? If not, what are you doing in a forum about a game that will never be ready? [X(][:)]

[Froonp]

ORIGINAL: Joseignacio
You are joking, aren't you? If not, what are you doing in a forum about a game that will never be ready? [X(][:)]

Jose, I think that you can safely ignore werwolf, who is only posting in this thread to say that the game will never be published and trying to get people reacting. He is not interested at all in the game, and just likes to troll that thread.

[Joseignacio]

Thanks, Froonp. I will.

It crossed my mind it could be a troll episode, but I was surprised that he had not been banned by now if that was the case. One thing is to critisize and another to troll. Anyway, I guess it is good that the moderators are liberal in this aspect, it's not good excessive restraint IMHO (although if this behaviour is frequent I would have had banned him, haha [:-] ).

[werwolf]

ORIGINAL: Joseignacio

Thanks, Froonp. I will.

It crossed my mind it could be a troll episode, but I was surprised that he had not been banned by now if that was the case. One thing is to critisize and another to troll. Anyway, I guess it is good that the moderators are liberal in this aspect, it's not good excessive restraint IMHO (although if this behaviour is frequent I would have had banned him, haha [:-] ).

Right: the truth is that this game is not released yet despite was announced several times (guess why) but we can solve problems banning who saying the truth, in fact where this game?

....but EVEN July is coming.....

[Obsolete]

It is scheduled for release on the 27th of July, 2009. So you gotta wait 68 more days.


Unfffff.....

[Mike Parker]

*chuckles*
 
Werwolves.. you know you can't let em inside, they'll mess the carpet!  It must be a burden being so bitter you have to throw gloom at others over something you don't really care about.
 

[werwolf]

ORIGINAL: Mike Parker

*chuckles*

Werwolves.. you know you can't let em inside, they'll mess the carpet!  It must be a burden being so bitter you have to throw gloom at others over something you don't really care about.

Nooooo......I'am pretty sure this game will be soon available.....check my other answer and you can see I ALWAYS stated that.
Of course it will be ready when it will be ready......
......and I will be one of the first buyers........[:D]