8.2.3 Op-Fire at Units amphibiously invading

[MrQuiet]

First I just want to say I absolutely love the Game. At least 10x better than the original, and I really liked the first one.

8.2.3 Op-Fire at Units amphibiously invading

Artillery and Air units in regions that are amphibiously invaded have a special Op-Fire ability as
follows:

- Each Artillery and Air unit gets to Op-Fire at the instant a unit attempts to invade its
region. This Op-Fire is at the combat unit that is invading (not at the Transport Fleet).

I have just run a few test scenarios of amphibious landings and the above rule does not seem to hold up.
Artillary fires at tranny first and any damage/suppression is applied to both tranny and infantry.
Artillary then fires at infantry and applies that suppression + the previous damage/suppression.

Now if the trany was sunk on first shot (most likely the case with a durrability of 2) then the infantry and tranny are lost.

I am just wondering if that is the intended method because the way I read rule 8.2.3 only the infantry unit should be targeted and the suppresion from that bombardment fire applied only to the infantry unit.

Air units performing this kind of Op-Fire against enemy units landing will also first fire at the
Transport Fleets at sea via the other Op-Fire rules (adjacent sea region to same region
Op-Fire).

This I understand, but I am questioning cases with artillery defense and no air defense.


Also while we are talking amphibious attacks I do not find anywhere in the manual that the number of attack dice will be reduced for amph invadeing units. I know the original W@W had that rule but I can not find it in AWD manual.

Thanks 4 your time
-MrQuiet

[GKar]

The solution could be further up on page 67:

- When a unit moving strategically via a Transport Fleet is shot at by Op-Fire, the Transport Fleet is actually shot at and the moving unit receives the same damage taken by the Transport Fleet. The moving unit is not attacked separately.

I guess that both rules are applied on amphibious invasions, be it intentional or not.

[Joel Billings]

Good catch. This was something that was changed a few times during testing, and it appears that there is a discrepency between the rules and the way the code works. When I was editing the manual I thought I tested this and made sure the rules were correct, but either I missed it or a late bug crept in. I'm pretty sure that we intended no shot at the transport by artillery (just by airpower). This was one reason we removed the -4 penalty for each successive shot. We wanted the arty to suppress the infantry coming ashore (but not kill all of them). This should go on our bug list for the first patch (unless I hear from Gary that he actually wanted it this way).

By the way, we do still have the reduction in fire for units already in the area so as more units land (if they survive), the fire is reduced (airborne is good for this).

[MrQuiet]

By the way, we do still have the reduction in fire for units already in the area so as more units land (if they survive), the fire is reduced (airborne is good for this)

Yes that part worked perfectly.

My last question from above was that I do not find mention in AWD about infantry units loseing attacking power (i.e. less offensive dice) based on the number of sea zones they move. I think the way it is working is one sea zone free then one less die for each additional sea zone. Which is totaly reasonable and should cause troops to be staged close to the landing, but it should be in the manual.

Thanks
-MrQuiet

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