betty 2 - Nell

[Cavalry Corp]

I am just converting my Betty ftys to the Betty 2 which will be out in a couple of mionths still on R/D . Is it much better ?
Have Imade any mistake in no longer making the earlier one . I have about 220 in the pool. Not using many

I still have a lot of Nells about 150 in the pool ( March 43 ) can they convert to version 2 of the Betty ??

I do not see much advantage in the Betty over the Nell in the first place both do the same job ( well ) and both die in A t A

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Michael

[hosho]

it`s no mistake to stop making the early one if you not using up many but check if any reinforcements are due soon.

as for the nell-betty comparison I also found nelly slightly better (they deliver torpedos more accurately [8D]) but remeber I`ve played against AI only ( no time for pbem )

[Mynok]

The Nells die easier, but they are useful in the early war.

[Cavalry Corp]

So best use them up
My question really was if I have 200 Betty in the pool do I need to convert the v1 to v2 or will the factories for the Betty auto upgrade?

Michael

[Honda]

They auto-upgrade. Just check the proper upgrade paths for all planes and the factories do the same. No point in switching them a few months before productions starts. Just a huge waste of supply for absolutely no gain.
Regarding torpedo accuracy, I always found Bettys better then Nells...funny.
In my pbem I have just started producing G4M2 and the G4M1 factory had ato-upgraded in the first couple of days of July. Having a solid G4M1 pool, and still one daitai and chitai of Nells in action, I plan to keep them in service as long as there's spare parts lying around. So I guess I'll upgrade some 50% of my naval bombers to G4M2 and keep the other half equiped with the older types as long as possible. Although I have built a formidable economy in my game, I still feel inclined to act as economicaly as possible. As Japan you have to cut corners wherever you can...

[Cavalry Corp]

Oh thanks for the tip on the auto upgrade
And the others
M

[Mynok]

Torpedo accuracy I would venture has to do with pilot experience. Some of the early daitai's equipped with Nells are very experienced. This is most likely why you see better hit ratios from them. There's little difference otherwise, except that the Bettys have slightly more endurance and a bigger payload (IIRC).

It's always good to be economical as the Japs.

[MineSweeper]

Agree with Mynok......[:)]

[castor troy]

ORIGINAL: Mynok


Torpedo accuracy I would venture has to do with pilot experience. Some of the early daitai's equipped with Nells are very experienced. This is most likely why you see better hit ratios from them. There's little difference otherwise, except that the Bettys have slightly more endurance and a bigger payload (IIRC).

It's always good to be economical as the Japs.

Betty and Nell both drop a torp as their primary load or 2x250 kg AP bombs on extended range or when attacking land targets.

[LAGAVULIN]

I tend to play Japan in PBEM games and tend to leave a couple of units with Nells as part of my pilot training programme. No point in wasting Bettys in rear areas. A Nell is just as good flying ASW or naval search ops and makes an adequate naval attack plane for most of the war if I need to press it into service fast (at least in so afr as it will carry a torp and by 1944 any Jap plane will die to the allied cap with more or less equal ease.)

[Gen.Hoepner]

Agree. Keep some Nells in your stocks for various pourposes (ASW,Naval Search, naval attack if needed). It has 1 hex at max range more than the Betty and can be usefull for long range naval search in the Pacific.
For the rest Nells and Betties are equivalent. They both are cannon fodder after mid 42 but can be usefull anyway as long as they can deliver a "fish".

[Mike Solli]

I keep my Nell factory functioning in Dec 41 and it auto-upgrades to the Betty in Jan 42.  I keep the Nell daitai and chutai in action and, as the pool diminishes, slowly convert them to Bettys.  Eventually, I'll have 1 chutai in action.  When I'm down to 2 Nells, I'll convert that last chutai to Bettys and save the last 2 Nells for my glorious WWII museum after I'm victorious. [:D]

[Cavalry Corp]

Now I switch my quetion to Irving R AND Irving S
Is the S useful - seems interesting - have not got the game open right now but does the R upgrade to the S seems a bit odd as on is FB and one Recon

pdu is on stock PBEM April 43

M

[Mike Solli]

I always produce at least a few of each model.  Often, they are needed to receive sentai/daitai reinforcements.  If you don't like that particular model, produce ~50 for the reinforcements.  When the reinforcement appears, convert to the model you like so the next reinforcement of that model can appear on map.

[Cavalry Corp]

What happens if there is not enough planes in the pool to receive the reinforcement and do the planes get deducted form the pool on the turn the unit arrives ?

What happens if thet plane type is no longer produced ??

Michael

[Mike Solli]

ORIGINAL: cavalry

What happens if there is not enough planes in the pool to receive the reinforcement and do the planes get deducted form the pool on the turn the unit arrives ?

You still get the reinforcement, but it's strength will be that of the # of planes in the pool. Example: You have 15 A6M5s in the pool and receive an A6M5 reinforcement daitai. The daitai reinforcement will arrive with 15 planes and 15 pilots. You lose 12 pilots (who vanish into the ether). Note that Allied reinforcement squadrons do not draw from the pool. Only Japanese air units draw from the pool.

ORIGINAL: cavalry
What happens if thet plane type is no longer produced ??

Michael

If you have no planes in the pool and reinforcement is supposed to appear, it will remain in the queue "organizing" until at least one plane of that type appears in the pool. Then it will draw from the pool until either the pool is exausted or the unit is filled. See above for the pilot issue.

[Cavalry Corp]

I see , so I will lose say 10 x 60 exp lilots and have to draw rubbish later ??
Michael

[Mike Solli]

Exactly.