please help !

[Oliver Heindorf]

why there are some CVE's who have an airgroup onto it and why there are some who dont ?

I simply dont get it

[mark the brit]

regarding missing airgroups,CVEs can be used in replenishment TFs to carry replacement aircraft for carrier TFs.In earlier versions of pacific war all CVEs had airgroups and were in groups usually 2-6 strong this was changed i believe in version 2.3 after which each CVE was given a name instead of the class it belongs to.They can also embark land based airgroups aircraft unless this has changed in version 3.0.If you allow the computer to make your CVE TFs or replenishment TFs it uses any CVE even if they have airgroups or not.I prefered when they were in groups as they have to be sorted now and are not as strong.I Have also found that not all CVEs will carry replacement aircraft in version 2.3 this may have changed in 3.0.The escort carrier TFs i have found are very weak now and i do not use them within enemy airzones after losing 6 CVEs attacking leyte in one turn!.In version 2.3 in late 1944 i had 20 CVEs in pearl harbor with no airgroups!.I think that CVE airgroups were changed to new airgroups but i am not sure if there are more airgroups now than in earlier versions of the game.

[Dean Robb]

See the other thread on this topic No more airgroups were added to the game in terms of the total number; the single CVE's w/airgroups took slots from land-based airgroups thereby reducing their numbers.

[Oliver Heindorf]

Thank you all guys !

[deVada]

If empty CVE's are a real problem for You - simply add them the squadrons using PacEdit.

[Jeremy Pritchard]

Actually, the original game had more then 50% of Allied CVE's without air groups, even when they were put in their individual ship groups.

The change done in 3.0 was merely giving accurate individual ship representation to allied CVE's, instead of groups. The actual number of aircraft carrying CVE's is the same, just spread out to individual ships.

The same problem will be encountered when the ships are sent back into groups, but there will be less CVE's cluttering your screen.

[Jeremy Pritchard]

The main reason why this was done, was that CVE's were weak, and were not sent, very much, into main fleet actions. The old PacWar way of CVE's made them too powerful, stronger then most CV TF's. The way they are now, is actual representation of their abilities. They were previously over-rated, now they are as 'useless' as they should be. However, some of the later CVE's have compliments of aircraft that rival some CVL's!

[Svar]

Originally posted by Jeremy Pritchard
The main reason why this was done, was that CVE's were weak, and were not sent, very much, into main fleet actions. The old PacWar way of CVE's made them too powerful, stronger then most CV TF's. The way they are now, is actual representation of their abilities. They were previously over-rated, now they are as 'useless' as they should be. However, some of the later CVE's have compliments of aircraft that rival some CVL's!

Maybe that's because the some of the CVLs are underrated. I just ordered a book by Andrew Faltum about the Independence Class Light Aircraft Carriers and in the description it mentions the capacity at 45 A/C. The game has always use 33. When I read the history of those ships I can see what was done historically.

Svar

[Svar]

Originally posted by Svar


Maybe that's because the some of the CVLs are underrated. I just ordered a book by Andrew Faltum about the Independence Class Light Aircraft Carriers and in the description it mentions the capacity at 45 A/C. The game has always use 33. When I read the history of those ships I can see what was done historically.

Svar

OK here are the facts. When the Independence class first appeared they carried 24 F4Fs but were reduced to 12 F6Fs when they became available. The other squadron was a composite squadron of 12 SBDs or 9 SB2Cs and 9 TBFs. As you can see the original A/C complement was 45 but in actuality the number was closer to the game number of 33 because they operated mostly with the F6Fs. They also never operated with the SBDs. Now here is where it gets complicated. The A/C numbers for the CVEs is based on the F4F because the only CVEs able to even operate the F6Fs were the Commencement Bay and Sangmon classes. So the game uses the A/C number applicapable to the F4F for CVEs and the A/C number applicapable to the F6F for the Independence class CVLs. Since the game allows any carrier qualified A/C to operate from any carrier I guess each gamer will have to use their own judgement on how to implement it. The easest solution would be leave the numbers alone and restrict the CVEs to F4Fs only.

Svar