Trnsfering skilled pilots to Training Command

[mariof2]

Hi all,

What benefit do you get from transferring your high exp pilots to training command?

Also same for rotating home for 180 days?

[GreyJoy]

As far as i've read through other similar threads, for the allies TRACOM is nothing more than a "box" where to put your elite pilots, while for the Japs it can be usefull in order to speed up the training process of the Rookies.
 
I ignore completely the utility of the 180 days thing. sorry

[Erkki]

ORIGINAL: GreyJoy

As far as i've read through other similar threads, for the allies TRACOM is nothing more than a "box" where to put your elite pilots, while for the Japs it can be usefull in order to speed up the training process of the Rookies.

I ignore completely the utility of the 180 days thing. sorry

I use it all the time... [:D] Mostly because the click, Y, click, Y cycle sometimes happens with a pilot not in reserve and he gets sent into the limbo for 180 days.

[NormS3]

Ditto. my fingers and mouse are not the best at working together.[8|]

[mariof2]

I know you can send them to training command and from there you can assign them to a designated training group** where they speed up pilot training (which I do). However, do you get any benefit from them just sitting in the training command pool?

[Alfred]

Training is not really improved by having experienced pilots amongst the rookies.

Pilots in TRACOM will speed up the graduation process. Pilots enter flight school and it takes them 12 months to graduate. TRACOM can push some pilots to complete a semester quicker, thereby ultimately graduating in less than 12 months. However additional trainees do not enter flight school to fill the spots vacated by the quicker graduating pilots.

Alfred

[JohnDillworth]

BTW, I have found that the single most important factor in training is the inspiration level of the leader. Makes a big difference in fast pilots acquire skills . a guy leading a group with an inspiration level in the high 40's will add skills to pilots and a very slow rate

[NormS3]

Great info!
thanks.
So adding pilots to TRACOM only speeds up arrival of some. i had been putting vetern pilots in there from various types (fighter/bomber/recon/ect.) to improve skills, so that does not matter then. Thanks, i' ll try and use my veterns a bit better.
one more question, does the skill/experiance of vet pilot determine if or how many might graduate sooner?
Thanks

[Alfred]

ORIGINAL: Norm3

Great info!
thanks.
So adding pilots to TRACOM only speeds up arrival of some. i had been putting vetern pilots in there from various types (fighter/bomber/recon/ect.) to improve skills, so that does not matter then. Thanks, i' ll try and use my veterns a bit better.
one more question, does the skill/experiance of vet pilot determine if or how many might graduate sooner?
Thanks

Don't know for certain, details of TRACOM are a closely guarded secret kept by the devs. However I don't believe so.

TRACOM essentially determines whether the trainees in a specific class get to skip the next class and move on to the following class. Therefore the practical issue is how many trainees are in each class. That is directly based on the monthly intake which is different for each nationality.

Alfred

[dr.hal]

John, a follow up question for clarification. Does it matter what type of squadron the leader is in (training, bombing, etc.) to have this accelerated impact due to his level of inspiration? In addition, does it matter if the leader is good as a patrol pilot with great inspiration and you put him into a fighter squadron to realize the increase? Thanks in advance. Hal

[Alfred]

If you look closely at your squadrons you will see that not every squadron leader is actually assigned as a pilot to the squadron. Some are both leaders and pilots in the squadron, some have different individuals for the two roles.

Anytime you move a pilot into a new flying discipline he will suffer a drop in overall experience and of course his previously trained skill set may not be appropriate for his new duties. But his leadership etc figures are not affected.

Alfred

[Capt Hornblower]

ORIGINAL: Alfred

Training is not really improved by having experienced pilots amongst the rookies.

...

Alfred

This directly contradicts the manual (p. 260, top), which states that moving experienced pilots to training squadrons (designated as such by the player) helps increase the rate of skills acquisition by green pilots assigned to the unit from training command. (See last sentence of the paragraph.)

On the subject of 180-day rotation, there seems to be a consensus that this function has no benefit whatsoever to the player and is only chosen as a pilot's assignment by mistake.

[Alfred]

ORIGINAL: Capt Hornblower

ORIGINAL: Alfred

Training is not really improved by having experienced pilots amongst the rookies.

...

Alfred

This directly contradicts the manual (p. 260, top), which states that moving experienced pilots to training squadrons (designated as such by the player) helps increase the rate of skills acquisition by green pilots assigned to the unit from training command. (See last sentence of the paragraph.)

On the subject of 180-day rotation, there seems to be a consensus that this function has no benefit whatsoever to the player and is only chosen as a pilot's assignment by mistake.

And if you had paid close attention to the second sentence in that paragraph you would have noticed it only applied to dedicated "Training Groups" which are not the same thing as a group on a training mission. Dedicated "Training Groups" were removed in an early patch and are not present now.

Alfred

[Capt Hornblower]

ORIGINAL: Alfred
And if you had paid close attention to the second sentence in that paragraph you would have noticed it only applied to dedicated "Training Groups" which are not the same thing as a group on a training mission. Dedicated "Training Groups" were removed in an early patch and are not present now.

Alfred

Now how is one supposed to know that there was a special sort of Training Group that was once a part of the game but isn't now? It's not mentioned in any of the included read-me files. And if this is indeed the case, would it also be true that the programmers removed the code (assuming it existed in the first place; if it didn't, then the communication between the programmers and the document writers was abysmal) that provided the bonus to skill acquisition given by experienced pilots being present in a squadron? I'm going to guess not, as programmers (like most human beings) don't like to do work they don't have to do.

[Itdepends]

Considering the programmers that continue to make improvements to the game see little if any financial return for their work- and given the level of patching, customisation and support they do on this game far excees anything I've seen from a commercial company- I'd say they're doing fine.

[Oliver Heindorf]

back on topic : TRACOM makes it as Alfred described but I read somewhere, that to have a useful TRACOM works properly you needed min. 10 Pilots of each nation in it. That means, only USAAF Pilots mostly meet the required 10 Pilots. There is no usage if one NZ, one AUS, two UK pilots in it. and if memory serves right, there is no additional usage if more then 10 pilots sent as trainers to TRACOM.

[Alfred]

ORIGINAL: Alfred

ORIGINAL: Norm3

Great info!
thanks.
So adding pilots to TRACOM only speeds up arrival of some. i had been putting vetern pilots in there from various types (fighter/bomber/recon/ect.) to improve skills, so that does not matter then. Thanks, i' ll try and use my veterns a bit better.
one more question, does the skill/experiance of vet pilot determine if or how many might graduate sooner?
Thanks

Don't know for certain, details of TRACOM are a closely guarded secret kept by the devs. However I don't believe so.

TRACOM essentially determines whether the trainees in a specific class get to skip the next class and move on to the following class. Therefore the practical issue is how many trainees are in each class. That is directly based on the monthly intake which is different for each nationality.

Alfred

Further to the above, TRACOM helps in maintaining the experience level of graduates. Each nationality has it's own experience level. New graduates come out with an experience which is in a range +/- the national level. The TRACOM instructors help to minimise the amount of below national experience level the graduate comes out with. The TRACOM assistance will not produce a graduate above the national experience level.

So it is totally incorrect to say that TRACOM does nothing. Whether it is worth it, particularly for the Allies, is another matter and up to the individual player. One thing to remember is that the Elf specifically stated that TRACOM was instituted to benefit the Japanese side, the issue arising out of the vocal "whining" (my term, his was a more diplomatic term) from certain players.

Alfred

[Sardaukar]

ORIGINAL: Oliver Heindorf

back on topic : TRACOM makes it as Alfred described but I read somewhere, that to have a useful TRACOM works properly you needed min. 10 Pilots of each nation in it. That means, only USAAF Pilots mostly meet the required 10 Pilots. There is no usage if one NZ, one AUS, two UK pilots in it. and if memory serves right, there is no additional usage if more then 10 pilots sent as trainers to TRACOM.

Actually, it is EVERY 10 pilots, that have effect. So there is no difference in effect between 10 pilots and 18 pilots...but there is additional effect between 10 and 20.

[Oliver Heindorf]

ORIGINAL: Sardaukar

ORIGINAL: Oliver Heindorf

back on topic : TRACOM makes it as Alfred described but I read somewhere, that to have a useful TRACOM works properly you needed min. 10 Pilots of each nation in it. That means, only USAAF Pilots mostly meet the required 10 Pilots. There is no usage if one NZ, one AUS, two UK pilots in it. and if memory serves right, there is no additional usage if more then 10 pilots sent as trainers to TRACOM.

Actually, it is EVERY 10 pilots, that have effect. So there is no difference in effect between 10 pilots and 18 pilots...but there is additional effect between 10 and 20.

Ah ! Yes, that was ist. Thank you ![&o]

[JohnDillworth]

ohn, a follow up question for clarification. Does it matter what type of squadron the leader is in (training, bombing, etc.) to have this accelerated impact due to his level of inspiration? In addition, does it matter if the leader is good as a patrol pilot with great inspiration and you put him into a fighter squadron to realize the increase? Thanks in advance. Hal

Hmmmm, haven't done that experiment yet. I usually fill out a group with replacements, click on the leader and scroll through until I find one that has a high inspiration level. Then I train them in the desired skill. once they hit 60 or 70 I go through the group and add them to the replacement pool and fill up with a fresh batch of new kids. I'll have to try something like a high inspiration and a high naval skill to see if I can get better torpedo plane pilots.