Are Soviet players expected to be stupid?

Gary Grigsby’s War in the East: The German-Soviet War 1941-1945 is a turn-based World War II strategy game stretching across the entire Eastern Front. Gamers can engage in an epic campaign, including division-sized battles with realistic and historical terrain, weather, orders of battle, logistics and combat results.

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AFV
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Are Soviet players expected to be stupid?

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Maybe its just me, but what is the point of this. I go to transfer a division to a different Army/Front, and it costs generally 1 point (but not always). Sometimes it might cost 2 or even 3 points to xfer to other Armies/Fronts. Am I expected to ever choose that option, when I can just transfer to STAVKA, always 1 point, and for the cost of a couple of mouse clicks (but 0 additional APs) I can transfer for free to that same Army/Front?

Perhaps in the GC, all those extra mouse clicks will wear me down, allowing my German opponent to overun me?
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It might be more interesting if the cost to transfer was hidden and that the actual cost isnt revealed until the command transfer occurs.  But the same occurs with Axis transfers of combat units between HQs. 
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I had always wondered about this myself too---- the same holds true for the German side and transferring to the OKH first, especially for corps and above. In earlier versions, it seemed that the Stavka/OKH would virtually always make their administrative checks and hence allow for a half price transfer of corps and such around, but in the current version of the game this no longer seems to be the case, and the higher headquarters seem to fail their check much more commonly then lower HQs, which somewhat limits this "exploit" (if an exploit it is). But there are still many cases, such as transferring single divisions, where it does still work, and seems to needlessly add extra mouse clicks and hassle where there shouldn't otherwise be.

A good fix, I think, would be to set the maximum AP cost of a transfer to however much it costs to transfer that division/corps/army to the higher HQ. Then one could be tempted to use the transfer via OKH/Stavka trick only when the lower level commander has a particularly low administrative rating. Otherwise, it just feels like nonsense.
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Post by Sorta »

It does - it seems to be an unrealistic work around. Good solution.
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I had always wondered about this myself too---- the same holds true for the German side and transferring to the OKH first, especially for corps and above. In earlier versions, it seemed that the Stavka/OKH would virtually always make their administrative checks and hence allow for a half price transfer of corps and such around, but in the current version of the game this no longer seems to be the case, and the higher headquarters seem to fail their check much more commonly then lower HQs, which somewhat limits this "exploit" (if an exploit it is). But there are still many cases, such as transferring single divisions, where it does still work, and seems to needlessly add extra mouse clicks and hassle where there shouldn't otherwise be.

A good fix, I think, would be to set the maximum AP cost of a transfer to however much it costs to transfer that division/corps/army to the higher HQ. Then one could be tempted to use the transfer via OKH/Stavka trick only when the lower level commander has a particularly low administrative rating. Otherwise, it just feels like nonsense.
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I generally find the extra cost (beyond 1 pt) for the Sovs to be so rare that I pretty much forget it exists, and don't really worry too much about the one or two AP losses. Just not enough cost to make me go through STAVKA every single time...

More than anything the cost of transferring fronts needs to come down. It is ridiculously high and really creates massive amounts of extra management as you have to twist yourself in knots trying to avoid doing it.
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