Alps supply needs work

[s2tanker]

Playing the 1943-45 campaign game as the Allies, .20 patch and pushed up against the Germans in the fall of 1944 on the southern slope of the Alps, pushing about mid-way though before the winter and even getting Innsbruck. Once winter hit, in spite of clearing the railroads up to the front line, the Allied units began to fall apart - even with adequate supply. Several just disintegrated, even without the Germans attacking. Probably lost 150+ points in Allied units.

Given that this terrain was fought over by the Allied and Central powers in WWI with far more primitive logistics, field hospitals, and even clothing, it appears that the attrition algorithms need some adjusting.

[s2tanker]

Just lost the 3rd Canadian Infantry Division in the Alps on turn 96. That makes 6 divisions destroyed in the Alps, including a mountain infantry division. None of them were destroyed by the Germans. All were eliminated by the elements. Supply levels for the units are OK, all generally above 50%. Rail lines go up to the front. These losses have hit me for about 200 points so far in the face of regimental German opposition.

In WWI, there were about 60 divisions on either side during the "Mountain War" - certainly the logistics capabilities of the combatants in WWII were superior to those 30 years earlier.

This needs to be fixed.

[Joel Billings]

I'd be interested in seeing a few saves. Just because you have rails through the Alps, that doesn't matter, it's where the depots are. If they are more than a few mountain hexes from the units than it may be impossible for them to get supplies. I'd really need to see a save. You can attach zip files here or email to 2by3@2by3games.com. Thanks.

[Joel Billings]

BTW, there were bugs impacting replacements, and it especially hit the Canadians hard. The one impacting Canadians (but not just Canadians) was fixed in the .31 public beta. In some circumstances the units were not getting replacements and your case may be one of those that was fixed. I suggest you try the latest public beta.

[s2tanker]

The units that evaporated generally had 10,000+ men at the time of elimination.

Units eliminated in the Alps:

Turn 89 in eastern Alps, 4th Moroccan Mtn Inf. Division
Turn 92 in western Alps, Picino AI Combat Group
Turn 93 in western Alps, 8th Indian Infantry Division
Turn 94 in western Alps, 9th Inf. Div. U.S.
Turn 95 in eastern Alps, 2nd Moroccan Inf. Division
Turn 96 in western Alps, 3rd Canadian Inf. Division

Some 10 units combat ineffective in the west.

Depots exist, but most showing low supply near front.

Appears to have adequate trucking and rail throughout.

[Joel Billings]

As I replied to your email, the screenshot shows the only depots nearby with nothing in them. I see no depots with freight in the screenshot. Would need to see a save. Otherwise it appears the units must be starving.