2x3+ Team Side Game - BOTH SIDES

[Telemecus]

2by3+ Team Game - This thread is for use by both sides

The sign up thread for this game can be found at tm.asp?m=4340173
- we continually need new players as replacements for when current players have to drop out so do add your name there to be on the reserves list and it will not be long before you will be invited to join the game.

The sign up thread will also be used to
-keep an up to date players list
-be where players saying they are vacating their position when they can no longer continue
-post any rule changes

There is also a very good AAR covering just the North Axis in 1941 by Crackaces here tm.asp?m=4360475

While we are waiting for the Soviet team to set up the game file thought I might ask you to see this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U_Z6tv7cQmM and tell me which of the Nazi Generals are you?

[KenchiSulla]

I see the Kremlin.....

[Crackaces]

ORIGINAL: KenchiSulla

I see the Kremlin.....

"They crossed over the border, the hour before dawn.." Al Stewart Roads to Moscow

[WingedIncubus]

Fascists are like cats. All we need to do is to tear down their glass cannons, leave them defanged, and let their carcasses lay dying on the roads to Moscow.

[Telemecus]

What is this war talk, we are not at war! Those rumours that we are massing on the border are all lies!

Axis Turn 1 plans Communication for the Axis Team

I propose we try to get turn 1 done quickly now, and use the time while the game is back with the Soviets to organise ourselves better and decide our longer term approach. I know this is the reverse of how you would expect it done. But turn 1 is special and you may already have your own worked up plans. If this is so we can build on those and knit them together to do this first turn. In future turns we may do a bit more structured top down approaches.

Just as a first stab could North, Centre and South depict on a picture of the map where they would propose to advance through during the first turn and where they would make pockets in their likely respective areas. Also South to indicate whether Rumanian forces would be unfrozen on this turn, next turn or the turn after. I can send you a picture of the map if it would help, or better still to our team dropbox if that is up. Are you OK using some simple program like paint to draw a few arrows and circles?

Will you use rail cap in turn 1? It is possible to bring up rear units (L corps, 9th army etc) by rail to fight the border battles and let the frontline troops go further before fighting. But if all do that we would need to choose who gets what rail cap. Let me know if you intend to rail any units on turn 1.

This is really to establish where our rail repair units should go, whether there should be reassignments or "lending" units from one army group to another, and to work out who will be bombing which airfields. I will take this to make our first allocations for turn 1, which I can explain more about then. I will also go through more about the things we have to do to work as a team.

I have a self-denying ordinance that I will not be doing any combat missions myself. So this will mean all air missions have to be allocated to ground commanders. But I can still be involved in air work by air transferring units between commands. But if I do I could be mucking up something you have already prepared. Basically need to know whether to leave things as they are air wise - or prep it a little. Do you have your own air bombing plans?

Also are there other roles you are interested in doing in addition to your ground position? Let me know your suggestions?

[HardLuckYetAgain]

ORIGINAL: Telemecus

SparkleyTits is the Axis team manager.

Who wouldn't VOTE for anyone called "SparklyTits" as a manager I have to laugh every time I read that name.

[WingedIncubus]

ORIGINAL: Telemecus

SparkleyTits is the Axis team manager.

Soviet team - let us know who is yours.

We do not need some "team manager" tyrant to dictate to us how to manage our war. Our system is a pure collectivist one where everyone's equal and thus responsible for the defence of the Motherland. This is why we will succeed: All for one, one for all. [:'(]

[SparkleyTits]

Well it might help me coordinate the turn time table and know who is busy when etc and for general efficiency of time management if I just have to speak to one person who relays all the internal messages as I do the same to my merciless team members

Russia hierarchy is cumbersome, inefficient and shall soon crumble to facism anyways with such archaic systems in place

I look forward to crushing your system under the precision of my well placed boot

[Crackaces]

ORIGINAL: Drakken

ORIGINAL: Telemecus

SparkleyTits is the Axis team manager.

Soviet team - let us know who is yours.

We do not need some "team manager" tyrant to dictate to us how to manage our war. Our system is a pure collectivist one where everyone's equal and thus responsible for the defence of the Motherland. This is why we will succeed: All for one, one for all. [:'(]

To the meaningless Russian idealisms: Collectivism, Socialism, and Equality, we propose the three German realities: Infantry, Armor, and Artillery... (Or something like that .. )

[Neogodhobo]

ORIGINAL: SparkleyTits

Well it might help me coordinate the turn time table and know who is busy when etc and for general efficiency of time management if I just have to speak to one person who relays all the internal messages as I do the same to my merciless team members

Russia hierarchy is cumbersome, inefficient and shall soon crumble to facism anyways with such archaic systems in place

I look forward to crushing your system under the precision of my well placed boot

Dont worry, we will have a Molotov to your Ribbentrop, Germans.

[Sardaukar]

ORIGINAL: Crackaces

ORIGINAL: Drakken

ORIGINAL: Telemecus

SparkleyTits is the Axis team manager.

Soviet team - let us know who is yours.

We do not need some "team manager" tyrant to dictate to us how to manage our war. Our system is a pure collectivist one where everyone's equal and thus responsible for the defence of the Motherland. This is why we will succeed: All for one, one for all. [:'(]

To the meaningless Russian idealisms: Collectivism, Socialism, and Equality, we propose the three German realities: Infantry, Armor, and Artillery... (Or something like that .. )

Itäs in my signature.... [:D]

[Telemecus]

Sardaukar is the longest continuously serving Soviet commander in the other team game - so can give you all those veteran old war stories of how it has been in the day!

North Axis Turn 1 Plans

ORIGINAL: Crackaces
It has become apparent that General Von Both was observed by Gestapo eating borsch at the town of Tilsit. He tried to cover up his deed by quickly dumping a bratwurst into beet soup but pictures clearly show his political leanings toward bolshevism. It is the recmmendtion of Army Group North to quickly replace "comrade" Von Both with Walter Model as quickly as possible.
It is also known that General Von Chappus was seen putting caviar on his Weiâwurst ... he will need replacement at sometime in the future.

(I am thinking at some future time to take the Infantry corps attached to the Pz Group and attach 2 more to Von Chappus Corps but with a new commander ..)
Army Group North

Be assured that all is possible with the means you will be given. But Von Both has friends in Berlin - replacing him costs politically and so may not be possible immediately. Model is an able and ambitious general - but also one who incurs envy. Promoting him before others who have already earned the place will leave plenty wanting to take his ratings down a peg or two. It would be a bold move. But the rumours in Berlin are that Model will be getting his promotion in the normal way of things before the end of the year. Giving another role in preparation for a higher one may be the politic thing to do.

ORIGINAL: Crackaces
I think I can get a division from XXVI corps next to Ventspils ..

I have no plans to take Riga turn 1 (Follow up inf to take likely XXVI Corps) but will establish units across the Dauvaga ... I Corps to follow LVI Corps with a goal of threatening Pskov turn 3

ORIGINAL: Crackaces
I am finding that with Jg I and pioneers as SU and the HQ there to devote art .. 66% probability of success. N=6 with this configuration. That means twice Riga held and I lost PZ IIs ...that might be better to run over NKVD .. [;)]
The Infantry supported with pioneers and art have not failed ... Y
The price .. The Soviets get to ship in stuff .. more to destroy ..

Crackaces - very thorough! [:)] important thing is you seem to be prioritising clearing rail repair routes over pockets - I approve! means we already have good starting points for rail repair.

ORIGINAL: Crackaces
The big objective is to clear the Russkies from the two rail lines at least 6 hexes deep from the border .. and get I Corps as deep as possible as I diagramed that should form a Courtland pocket in the center

Or even more ...

An FBD on friendly controlled hexes needs only 11 or 12 MPs to repair 6 hexes of rail, but on hexes that are flipped to our control in turn 2 it will need more. There might be some doubling up of FBDs on repairing the same rail line, but still worth thinking if they will have enough MPs to convert 6 rail hexes in turn 2 if they need more than 1 MP just to move to that hex.

[Telemecus]

Centre Turn 1 Axis Plans A suggestion provided by me at the request of the centre commander



For this suggestion
i) You need rail for four units, 2 infantry from 9th (as indicated) and 2 from VII
ii) You do take Brest Litovsk, but using 4th army
iii) Rail line to Kaunas cleared and protected from ZOC, FBD there protected
iv) South, which has XXIVPz, is responsible for ZOCing Luninets junction after your go
v) II with good infantry moves with no combats past Kaunas after your go - but I have to recheck if this is North's plan from earlier post
If North or South go before you, they may need to ask you do such movements for them

[Telemecus]

ORIGINAL: KenchiSulla
Excellent sketch... I'm the last one with the anger issues...

Turn 1 Axis South Plans

ORIGINAL: KenchiSulla
I've posted two options as Crackaces had a nice suggestion. Either way, I request an additional PzC from AGC as it doesn't really need it to destroy Western Front.... And AGS needs it to threaten the Southern Industry as soon as possible

The Panzer corps would need to be returned to Centre at the Eastern end.

Option 1 would mean the FBD could not rail repair out of Rumania until turn 3. And the rail repair out of South poland is not that useful to get to southern industry. It can be railed North to repair one rail hex (every little helps there) and then be back on the Rumanian front in turn 3.

ORIGINAL: KenchiSulla
AGS Air I prefer to handle myself.

ORIGINAL: KenchiSulla
One of my goals for 1941 will be to get AGA and B... That should help with command penalty issues for the summer 1942 campaign...

[Neogodhobo]

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[WingedIncubus]

To every Soviet player, make sure you are ALL shared access with the Dropbox. There is only one Dropbox for all players.

I will begin looking at the Turn tonight, but I have just arrived home and it is almost midnight. Expect Central to be done tomorrow.

[Neogodhobo]

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[WingedIncubus]

I am getting a runtime error when I attempt to run the save file. Are you all on v1.11.00?

Nevermind, solved the issue.

[Neogodhobo]

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[Neogodhobo]

CITIZENS OF THE SOVIET UNION:

The Soviet Government and its head, Comrade Stalin, have authorized me to make the following statement:

Today at 4 o'clock A.M., without any claims having been presented to the Soviet Union, without a declaration of war, German troops attacked our country, attacked our borders at many points and bombed from their airplanes our cities Zhitomir, Kiev, Sebastopol, Kaunas and some others, killing and wounding over 200 persons.

There were also enemy air raids and artillery shelling from Rumanian and Finnish territory.

This unheard of attack upon our country is perfidy unparalleled in the history of civilized nations. The attack on our country was perpetrated despite the fact that a treaty of non-aggression had been signed between the U.S.S.R. and Germany and that the Soviet Government most faithfully abided by all provisions of this treaty.

The attack upon our country was perpetrated despite the fact that during the entire period of operation of this treaty the German Government could not find grounds for a single complaint against the U.S.S.R. as regards observance of this treaty.

Entire responsibility for this predatory attack upon the Soviet Union falls fully and completely upon the German Fascist rulers.

At 5:30 A.M.-that is, after the attack had already been perpetrated, Von der Schulenburg, the German Ambassador in Moscow, on behalf of his government made the statement to me as People's Commissar of Foreign Affairs to the effect that the German Government had decided to launch war against the U.S.S.R. in connection with the concentration of Red Army units near the eastern German frontier.

In reply to this I stated on behalf of the Soviet Government that, until the very last moment, the German Government had not presented any claims to the Soviet Government, that Germany attacked the U.S.S.R. despite the peaceable position of the Soviet Union, and that for this reason Fascist Germany is the aggressor.

On instruction of the government of the Soviet Union I also stated that at no point had our troops or our air force committed a violation of the frontier and therefore the statement made this morning by the Rumanian radio to the effect that Soviet aircraft allegedly had fired on Rumanian airdromes is a sheer lie and provocation.

Likewise a lie and provocation is the whole declaration made today by Hitler, who is trying belatedly to concoct accusations charging the Soviet Union with failure to observe the Soviet-German pact.

Now that the attack on the Soviet Union has already been committed, the Soviet Government has ordered our troops to repulse the predatory assault and drive German troops from the territory of our country.

This war has been forced upon us, not by the German people, not by German workers, peasants and intellectuals, whose sufferings we well understand, but by the clique of bloodthirsty Fascist rulers of Germany who have enslaved Frenchmen, Czechs, Poles, Serbians, Norway, Belgium, Denmark, Holland, Greece and other nations.

The government of the Soviet Union expresses its unshakable confidence that our valiant army and navy and brave falcons of the Soviet Air Force will acquit themselves with honor in performing their duty to the fatherland and to the Soviet people, and will inflict a crushing blow upon the aggressor.

This is not the first time that our people have had to deal with an attack of an arrogant foe. At the time of Napoleon's invasion of Russia our people's reply was war for the fatherland, and Napoleon suffered defeat and met his doom.

It will be the same with Hitler, who in his arrogance has proclaimed a new crusade against our country. The Red Army and our whole people will again wage victorious war for the fatherland, for our country, for honor, for liberty.

The government of the Soviet Union expresses the firm conviction that the whole population of our country, all workers, peasants and intellectuals, men and women, will conscientiously perform their duties and do their work. Our entire people must now stand solid and united as never before.

Each one of us must demand of himself and of others discipline, organization and self-denial worthy of real Soviet patriots, in order to provide for all the needs of the Red Army, Navy and Air Force, to insure victory over the enemy.

The government calls upon you, citizens of the Soviet Union to rally still more closely around our glorious Bolshevist party around our Soviet government, around our great leader and comrade, Stalin. Ours is a righteous cause. The enemy shall be defeated. Victory will be ours.





( Huh....sorry for all those dot message, dont know how that happened... [X(] )