Game Balance Poll

[Harrybanana]

It is interesting reading the various Threads that there are so many different opinions on whether the game favours the Axis or the Allies (and if so by how much) or if it is balanced. So a quick poll, do you think playing the game in pbem as it now is (version 1.00.073 without the betas):

1.Strongly favours the Axis,
2. Moderately favours the Axis,
3. Slightly favours the Axis,
4. Is balanced,
5. Slightly favours the Allies,
6. Moderately favours the Allies, or
7. Strongly favours the Allies.

My own opinion/vote is 3.

Oh yeah, I just want your opinion/vote; save your reasons why for your own Thread.

[sillyflower]

3 with very good players, otherwise 4

[battlevonwar]

7. When played correctly of course. I have probably 20 PBEM games and never came close to losing as the Allies. The Allies got a ton of buffs and are getting more so this may be an 8.

[Flaviusx]

It's like Sillyflower says. Balance is close but not quite there at the top level, Axis still has a bit of an edge. I think the Yugo thing will just about make it even, though.

[battlevonwar]

Last Super Allied Player I faced was Almeron who stopped me cold in the East. I couldn't penetrate his Russians though I did fairly well against his French(he was the greatest French Defender I've seen)!

My Axis didn't penetrate Kiev region fully, and never made a full penetration to the marshes in the North. I had to do everything to hold Finland and subsequently was on the defensive the next year. I think I was so thoroughly whooped by his Russians, Operation Bagration was on for Summer of '42 if he wanted to do this. But since the Western Allies were prepared to smack through Germany in the West in '42. I have to say you all are doing something wrong.

I see a lot of forward defensive Russians. I am asking why? I see a lot of people worried about Greece and yet don't even try to defend or fight for it(when it gets like 200 Production to defend it)! I see all these fancy builds trying to come up with something that doesn't work. Even low XP Units entrenched, in defensive terrain, in defense in depth would really help you all out. As far as the Red Air Force it's = to the Luftwaffe in '41 and greater than in '42. Which is all very hugely ahistorical. The Red Wings tend to be the strongest AirForce till the UK/US Combine in the West.

Also lastly nobody here really goes all-in treating French Defense super IMPORTANT. People don't stack Convoy Escorts and ASW techs. They don't bleed the Germans enough pre-Barbie.

Sveint did it to me, it's a sign. And I rarely lose my Axis even though I was rusty with him. I rarely lose so thoroughly as he beat me so early. I was stretched thin. You guys have to take notes of his AAR with me and stretch the Axis thinner cause they have a thin opportunity to win.

I am a so so Allied Player and give me your best Axis Player and I will show you even being VERY rusty with the Allies what can be done.

ORIGINAL: Flaviusx

It's like Sillyflower says. Balance is close but not quite there at the top level, Axis still has a bit of an edge. I think the Yugo thing will just about make it even, though.

[Flaviusx]

The reason for the forward defense is to discourage April invasions. As is, you probably have to deal with a May invasion even with a forward defense.

If you just run away smart Germans are not going to let you get away with it. They will simply march in there early and often.

The Soviets cannot ride out a prolonged Barbarossa, the rail lines just get pushed forward, the infantry will catch up, and eventually you are going to run out of space to give up and they will bust it wide open.

Every early Barbarossa I have ever seen has resulted in the Soviets getting trounced.

[battlevonwar]

Flaviusx,

That the Axis can launch an early Barbarossa is a testimony that the Axis are too well prepared and too strong because the French/British didn't do anything. You have to lose 100 British Air in France. 100 Land Points if necessary perhaps even 3-4 Corp. You have to bleed those Axis so when they face the Soviets they face them anemic a bit. Sveint managed it...Almeron managed it. I have done it so thoroughly I destroyed every German Armor in France but 1 Mech to a guy.

I think I have DOWed Russia 1 time in April. You can give land if the Russians have what they should have in their arsenal. Armor/Mechs/Mnt Inf..entrenched, then move, Then entrench then move, then entrench then move? You should see what kind of '41 D-Days can be done. (forces the Axis to keep strong reinforcements West)

If you haven't knocked off 300 steps of German Prime Rib in France you need to Hotseat her till you do. Then see what May Barbarossa looks like. It doesn't look the same!

[sveint]

7. Never came close to losing as the Allies

[MorningDew]

What does losing as the Allies mean? How is it defined?

[AlvaroSousa]

Either Germany or Italy holding onto 1 hex that is a morale center AND having enough VPs.

Or conquering Europe.

[michaelCLARADY]

If the Players are of near equal skill I gotta go with #6.

[MagicMissile]

I think it is in the 3-6 range, not sure how useful that is [:)].

/MM

[topolm]

6. Moderately favours the Allies

[baloo7777]

Against players of similar abilities, I would say #5, slightly favors the allies. Not sure what version 08 does to that due to Axis no longer getting Yugo.

[ncc1701e]

I will say that:

1. a big mistake with Axis and you are doomed.
2. a big mistake with Allies, you may recover but hardly.

[Jeff_Ahl]

ORIGINAL: ncc1701e

I will say that:

1. a big mistake with Axis and you are doomed.
2. a big mistake with Allies, you may recover but hardly.

I almost agree:

1. Big mistake with Axis, extremly hard to get back on track.

2. Big misstake with Allies, quite hard to get back on track.

Given that players are equally good.

[AlvaroSousa]

It is always harder to play the Axis than the Allies

[Jeff_Ahl]

ORIGINAL: AlvaroSousa

It is always harder to play the Axis than the Allies

Well, it also depends. If you get the ball rolling with the Axis magic can happen. With the Allies it is more of small gains and meat grinding.

I do not think the game needs much balancing though. As I always says; baby step with changes are one of the best thing with this game and your commitment. To many good games has turned into trash because of radical changes. Even though we all in the forum bombards you with demands and naggs about all kinds of aspects of the game.

All and all the best strategic/operational game out on the market so far.

[ago1000]

ORIGINAL: Jeff_Ahl

ORIGINAL: AlvaroSousa

It is always harder to play the Axis than the Allies

Well, it also depends. If you get the ball rolling with the Axis magic can happen. With the Allies it is more of small gains and meat grinding.

I do not think the game needs much balancing though. As I always says; baby step with changes are one of the best thing with this game and your commitment. To many good games has turned into trash because of radical changes. Even though we all in the forum bombards you with demands and naggs about all kinds of aspects of the game.

All and all the best strategic/operational game out on the market so far.

+1 Totally agree

[ncc1701e]

ORIGINAL: Jeff_Ahl

All and all the best strategic/operational game out on the market so far.

By far yes [:)]